Jean-Clair Todibo

[Styopa]

And something Levy has never seemed to grasp the importance of when weighing it up against shaving a few million off.

Sometimes it is fine to wait and save that few million but other times it costs you way more. Even a couple of defeats is very expensive (where would we be sitting had we had stable CBs slotting in?).

You don't fuck around when you need key players in key positions where your place in the league is up for grabs, you get players in (as long as everyone is on board with the player) and get them up to speed quick

Completely agree. Levy let one of the finest squads in the league deteriorate into mediocrity between about 2016 and 2020. He let the whole project break down before doing something about it and we have spent hundreds of millions just trying to get back to where we were.

Sometimes we need to be a bit braver I think. Despite the injuries we’re still in a strong position this season. It would be sad to see another season peter out. Of course it’s important to prioritise the long term over the short but we shouldn’t be happy to keep on writing off whole seasons imo.

Edit: to make my point explicit to this specific player thread. We know we need a new first team CB and there’s a good chance we will drop points if we don’t address it. I don’t know if this guy is the answer but it’s not off topic to write about the above context imo- it’s relevant to where we potentially find ourselves in this window. It’s not a rant and I am balanced when it comes to Levy - but at the same time you can’t change history.

 

[mr ashley]

The bastard accountants of Daniel levy are back it seems.
Deal for a cb should be well down the line based on our situation- otherwise selling Sanchez was in vain

 

[jurgen]

Not only are we in the middle of a huge and unprecedented injury crisis - naturally exacerbated by leaving CB very short with the sale of Sanchez - but we're also somehow still well in the hunt for top 4, and potentially much more than that given how tight it is at the top.

So if ever there were a time to get a player in quickly, it's surely now.

 

[Mr Pink]

... and?

Things are seemingly underway. Look at ITK, look at Romano sharing updates etc...

Were you expecting us to have a deal fully agreed and announced already? That pretty much never happens with anyone. You might get like Man City have and are all but confirmed for a young talent to join in the summer but I can't think of any club who has a guaranteed player announced to come in on Jan 1st for their 1st team.

So right now, from the outside looking in, our club seem to be doing the right things so we just have to wait and see.

Where did i say Im expecting it to be signed and announced already? Ffs again.

Im saying, if we can get it done sooner rather than later, waiting to save a few quid, then we should absolutely do that given the circumstances.

 

[dontcallme]

Not only are we in the middle of a huge and unprecedented injury crisis - naturally exacerbated by leaving CB very short with the sale of Sanchez - but we're also somehow still well in the hunt for top 4, and potentially much more than that given how tight it is at the top.

So if ever there were a time to get a player in quickly, it's surely now.

The info I've read suggests the guy from Genoa could be done relatively easily and therefore quickly, but Todibo isn't a deal to be done so quickly.

Naturally this has led to some thinking we just need to throw a couple of million onto the transfer fee and it's done, but in reality it just doesn't work like that.

I've no problem with signing the guy from Genoa and hope we're working hard on sales. If we can find a buyer for one or 2 of our defenders we could justify buying both.

 

[Mr Pink]

It’s also the same ones that don’t really get that we’re not the only party involved in determining the speed of a transaction.

Well thats not me I'm afraid lol.

See Rossdapeps post which illustrates my point much better that I can make.

 

[Mr Pink]

And something Levy has never seemed to grasp the importance of when weighing it up against shaving a few million off.

Sometimes it is fine to wait and save that few million but other times it costs you way more. Even a couple of defeats is very expensive (where would we be sitting had we had stable CBs slotting in?).

You don't fuck around when you need key players in key positions where your place in the league is up for grabs, you get players in (as long as everyone is on board with the player) and get them up to speed quick

Great post.

Absolutely nailed it.

 

[GetKaned]

This season seems to be one that will be decided by the absence/presence of key players at the top clubs. This is exactly why we need to act in January, forget the "caps" and "ceilings" and bring who the manager wants.

 

[Maxtremist]

Where did i sy Im expecting it to be signed and announced already? Ffs again.

Im saying, if we can get it done sooner rather than later, waiting to save a few quid, then we should absolutely do that given the circumstances.

You said you wanted things to be moving and underway, it seems like they are. Given we've got ITK and Romano etc... saying things are moving and you wanted to see movement, I interpreted that as you wanting to see even more. Akin to us announcing a signing already or something like that. I think we've seen a decent amount of movement and links already which suggests things are moving in the right direction.

We all agree we want something sooner rather than later.

All I am basically saying is that paying 'a bit more' often isn't the thing that slows things down or gets someone in sooner. Even if we paid an extra 5mil or whatever, I don't think that actually speeds up the transfer that much if at all given how many moving pieces there are in it and that there are multiple parties in play. Can it help a little? Sure. But it's not like it's just that and then we're done.

 

[For the love of Spurs]

The info I've read suggests the guy from Genoa could be done relatively easily and therefore quickly, but Todibo isn't a deal to be done so quickly.

Naturally this has led to some thinking we just need to throw a couple of million onto the transfer fee and it's done, but in reality it just doesn't work like that.

I've no problem with signing the guy from Genoa and hope we're working hard on sales. If we can find a buyer for one or 2 of our defenders we could justify buying both.

If both Sanchez and Dier are gone that is two positions to fill. Surely then we are looking at 2 CB’s not 1. Maybe get the guy from Genoa in early and if it looks like Dier is going do the other deal later.

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

If both Sanchez and Dier are gone that is two positions to fill. Surely then we are looking at 2 CB’s not 1. Maybe get the guy from Genoa in early and if it looks like Dier is going do the other deal later.

Or maybe we'll leave one of the CB spots open for Phillips or Dorrington to stake a claim. In reality they'll be 5th/6th choice considering Davies has shown he is a capable option there but it would feel pretty harsh to block their pathway by buying another top class CB on top of the 3rd choice we're already targeting.

 

[rossdapep]

If both Sanchez and Dier are gone that is two positions to fill. Surely then we are looking at 2 CB’s not 1. Maybe get the guy from Genoa in early and if it looks like Dier is going do the other deal later.

I imagine that one CB will do otherwise Phillips, Dorrington and Vukoovic are going to have zero pathway into the first team.

It is a rarity to have both your CB partnership out and Van De Ven doesn't have an injury record.

Romero does tend to miss up to 10 games a season so it was vital he had back-up/rotation.

I personally think signing alternative FBs, an alternative CB who can play both sides and having both Bentancur and Bissouma available is fine.

Then we can open a pathway for Phillips/Dorrington where they can come into a stable environment and get minutes.

Davies is our back up LB, yet because we are short at CB he has moved there which in turn creates an issue at LB. If we get a back up LB and one CB, it should mean we rotate with players who are natural fits and Ange type players instead of this situation we find ourselves in.

 

[For the love of Spurs]

Or maybe we'll leave one of the CB spots open for Phillips or Dorrington to stake a claim. In reality they'll be 5th/6th choice considering Davies has shown he is a capable option there but it would feel pretty harsh to block their pathway by buying another top class CB on top of the 3rd choice we're already targeting.

if Ange thinks say Dorrington can do a job and grow into the role then yeh sure. Obviously have no idea as to whether they are capable of this level, if they are then great.

 

[dontcallme]

If both Sanchez and Dier are gone that is two positions to fill. Surely then we are looking at 2 CB’s not 1. Maybe get the guy from Genoa in early and if it looks like Dier is going do the other deal later.

Pretty confident that's what I was saying.

 

[Stoof]

Question for the floor:

Dragusin on 5th Jan or Todibo on 31st Jan? What’s your preference?

 

[FrankSpencer]

Question for the floor:

Dragusin on 5th Jan or Todibo on 31st Jan? What’s your preference?

Both on the 18th!

 

[nicdic]

Question for the floor:

Dragusin on 5th Jan or Todibo on 31st Jan? What’s your preference?

YES

 

[Stoof]

Both on the 18th!

YES

I hate this forum.

Spoiler

I love this forum

 

[N'Obody]

Question for the floor:

Dragusin on 5th Jan or Todibo on 31st Jan? What’s your preference?

Why not both?

 

[djhotspur]

I imagine that one CB will do otherwise Phillips, Dorrington and Vukoovic are going to have zero pathway into the first team.

It is a rarity to have both your CB partnership out and Van De Ven doesn't have an injury record.

Romero does tend to miss up to 10 games a season so it was vital he had back-up/rotation.

I personally think signing alternative FBs, an alternative CB who can play both sides and having both Bentancur and Bissouma available is fine.

Then we can open a pathway for Phillips/Dorrington where they can come into a stable environment and get minutes.

Davies is our back up LB, yet because we are short at CB he has moved there which in turn creates an issue at LB. If we get a back up LB and one CB, it should mean we rotate with players who are natural fits and Ange type players instead of this situation we find ourselves in.

Vdv had the same injury last season. So it is a worry