Jenas, Livermore, Defoe

[AngerManagement]

I'd love to see Livermore and Parrett in midfield

who for?

I'm actually surprised Parrett is still at the club, he must be impressing some people at the club to be

Doesn't seem to have done well when given the chances out on loan though and never really impressed with given (limited) chances with us.

In the time he has been with us it also seems like he has slipped down the pecking order and other youngsters have moved ahead of him.

Still he's surely only about 20 or 21 so time still for him to make a career for himself I guess, difficult to ever envisage him becoming a regular though.

 

[ultimateloner]

All 3 are limited utility players so it's wrong to expect them to contribute fruitfully. They operate to help VdV so the real problem is why VdV was taken off.

 

[kali]

who for?

I'm actually surprised Parrett is still at the club, he must be impressing some people at the club to be

Doesn't seem to have done well when given the chances out on loan though and never really impressed with given (limited) chances with us.

In the time he has been with us it also seems like he has slipped down the pecking order and other youngsters have moved ahead of him.

Still he's surely only about 20 or 21 so time still for him to make a career for himself I guess, difficult to ever envisage him becoming a regular though.

Only had one bad loan at Plymouth ( due to long ball football-not great for a ball playing midfielder), Aldershot wanted him again club refused,Charlton was a great loan and yeovil was sucessful just the manager wanted to play his own at the end to secure signings for the new season.

If having a dodgy loan spell means you are not good enough, well that would be the end for more than one midfielder at the club.

Making your opinion on limited first team appearences could also spell the end for a few midfielders included some who have shown they are capable of holding down a squad place currently.

Just check out how he did away in the uefa cup when he was seventeen. Not a bad debut I thought.

 

[chiversandgilzean]

While we could do with a Modric-style deep-lying playmaker, we've seen that the biggest and richest are after such players and that they are costly. Both Livermore and Sandro had licence to get forward on Saturday and dovetailed pretty well for the most part and they can do more than just hold. I think Livermore's passing in particular is underrated. I also think Livermore has slightly outperformed Sandro in the two games.

I think Pienaar would have been a useful player in the squad these past two games, at least.

 

[AngerManagement]

Only had one bad loan at Plymouth ( due to long ball football-not great for a ball playing midfielder), Aldershot wanted him again club refused,Charlton was a great loan and yeovil was sucessful just the manager wanted to play his own at the end to secure signings for the new season.

If having a dodgy loan spell means you are not good enough, well that would be the end for more than one midfielder at the club.

Making your opinion on limited first team appearences could also spell the end for a few midfielders included some who have shown they are capable of holding down a squad place currently.

Just check out how he did away in the uefa cup when he was seventeen. Not a bad debut I thought.

I'm not writing him off, I haven't seen enough of him to do so

I just think its very very competitive and difficult to break in to a PL first team now days, especially the way money is constantly being spent every transfer window and youth players are in danger of being pushed further and further down the pecking order.

I had looked at his loan spells statistically only, saw that he never played more than 10 games at any one club and never scored more than a single goal either and assumed he was not ripping up trees in a fashion that would force his way into first team action

It feels like he has been around longer than both Livermore or Townsend for example but they have made first team pushes while he hasn't. That being said he is actually younger than both, plus I am pretty sure in my post I said he is still young and has time to make the grade, plus I mentioned he must be impressing someone at the club to still be around (correct me if I am wrong, but I am sure I said words to that effect)

Good luck to him, I hope he goes on to be a superstar for us and if not I hope he makes a career for himself long term as a footballer and sets himself up for life. All I was saying is I was surprised he was still at the club because he didn't appear to have done amazingly well on his loan spells (not like Defoe in Bournemouth etc) and it seems so hard to break through at a club like ours, look at Dean Marney's début for example and he still never made it with us.

Even if the lad doesn't make it with Spurs I wouldn't write him off, look at Mark Gower who didn't make the grade with us but went on to have a successful career at Southend and has now made it to the Premiership with Swansea.

I'm not writing the lad off

 

[Spurs1960]

I thought Huddlestone would fit as one of the defensive midfielders so disappointed to see him offered for loan, but that may be due to wanting him to have game time under his belt. Parker, whilst he can play the role well, is getting long in the tooth. In the last third of last season he was simply knackered and running on empty after 70 mins. He wastes too much energy getting the ball off a central defender only to pass it to the other one. Vertonghen looks comfortable on the ball negating some of the need for that type of player, Vertonghen and Caulker together will be interesting to watch.

VDV didn't get in the box enough to support the striker, Defoe doesn't attack the 6 yard box for Bale's perfect crosses. I'd be interested to know how many crosses he has made along the floor 5 yards from goal that nobody has bothered to get on the end of. It is so frustrating watching Defoe drop back 12 yards into a position he can't be given the ball and watch. If he could add this to his game he'd have half a dozen more goals a season at least. Yet again it happened against WBA.

What are our striking coaches teaching him?

At the end of the day we often look fancy but create little with to many players sometimes happy to just look good.

 

[kali]

I'm not writing him off, I haven't seen enough of him to do so

I just think its very very competitive and difficult to break in to a PL first team now days, especially the way money is constantly being spent every transfer window and youth players are in danger of being pushed further and further down the pecking order.

I had looked at his loan spells statistically only, saw that he never played more than 10 games at any one club and never scored more than a single goal either and assumed he was not ripping up trees in a fashion that would force his way into first team action

It feels like he has been around longer than both Livermore or Townsend for example but they have made first team pushes while he hasn't. That being said he is actually younger than both, plus I am pretty sure in my post I said he is still young and has time to make the grade, plus I mentioned he must be impressing someone at the club to still be around (correct me if I am wrong, but I am sure I said words to that effect)

Good luck to him, I hope he goes on to be a superstar for us and if not I hope he makes a career for himself long term as a footballer and sets himself up for life. All I was saying is I was surprised he was still at the club because he didn't appear to have done amazingly well on his loan spells (not like Defoe in Bournemouth etc) and it seems so hard to break through at a club like ours, look at Dean Marney's début for example and he still never made it with us.

Even if the lad doesn't make it with Spurs I wouldn't write him off, look at Mark Gower who didn't make the grade with us but went on to have a successful career at Southend and has now made it to the Premiership with Swansea.

I'm not writing the lad off

I wasn't saying you were don't worry, I was just stating that loans are not a great way to show any indication how they will do in the premiership especially when in the lower leagues- experience of being in a team and the importance of the result etc is what they gain.
The lower leagues play a different game to the prem, less time on the ball unlike the prem where you have all the time in the world, you get tackled and harried all the time, and the main thing most teams do differently is play it long- not many midfielders will shine even our Tom Carroll struggled due to this and he was in the championship.

I hope he makes it as Spurs and that is his dream but we know it's tough and all the incomings don't make it any easier but you have to keep trying and one day who knows a chance may come your way ( fingers crossed)

 

[Kendall]

Livermore isn't very good.

 

[Spurs_Bear]

Livermore isn't very good.

I agree with you 110%.

Although you're out of order.

 

[BorisTM]

Since there is so much fail on each players account, especially Livermore, I decided to upload a small video on Metacafe, that includes about a minute of Jake's play against West Brom. It starts of him winning the ball at the center line.



And for those who keep saying he never passes forward. The goal that Defoe scored but was disallowed due to offside, Livermore passed the ball. And these two are just the ones that resulted in creating a goalscoring opportunity. All that considering he played a deep role throughout the entire game.

 

[only1waddle]

Since there is so much fail on each players account, especially Livermore, I decided to upload a small video on Metacafe, that includes about a minute of Jake's play against West Brom. It starts of him winning the ball at the center line.



And for those who keep saying he never passes forward. The goal that Defoe scored but was disallowed due to offside, Livermore passed the ball. And these two are just the ones that resulted in creating a goalscoring opportunity. All that considering he played a deep role throughout the entire game.

Good work, way too easy for some on here to have a go at Jake, an easy target, lots of Jenas comparisons but in my opinion he can tackle, pass and read the game better than Jenas already, he is young, he is still learning, really don't understand what game people watch at times...

 

[kali]

Jakes a good lad

 

[BorisTM]

Jakes a good lad

I can see him easily being the future captain and Spurs legend - calm, composed, strong, hardworking box to box midfielder, who is an excellent passer and reads the game well. He doesn't have the finesse of Pirlo or the genius of Gascoigne but he has an abundance of other qualities in excess that make him a world class imo even at this age.

 

[only1waddle]

I can see him easily being the future captain and Spurs legend - calm, composed, strong, hardworking box to box midfielder, who is an excellent passer and reads the game well. He doesn't have the finesse of Pirlo or the genius of Gascoigne but he has an abundance of other qualities in excess that make him a world class imo even at this age.

I hear all this crap about "we can't start with 2 DMs etc etc, whoa is the team, were doomed, Jake and Sandro for me will be crafted into a cross between a DM/CM and both have the ability to be such, Dembele has pretty much mastered this.
With our pressing game i think we will start with at least 2 quick, tough tackling players who can cut passes in to the channel for very very attacking wingers (Bale... yes... Lennon...no) and an intuitive finisher...
if we go 433 and VDV goes this season, hopefully we get one more, depending on how much he misses his wife ( i think anyone would miss his missus) then we will go with a combination of this with parker probably off next season too...
Jake/Sandro/Sig/Dembele/Parker/M'vila and win every trophy in the cabinet..... on Football manager.........

 

[Phil_2.0]

Livermore has out played Sandro the last two games. So i have no idea why Jake is catching any sort of heat for anything?