João Moutinho

[Blackcanary]

Have some very similar concerns. Maybe AVB wants to use Moutinho behind a main striker in the VDV role?

No way he'll play Moutinho that far forward - he might shift Mousa up though.

 

[Blake Griffin]

Have some very similar concerns. Maybe AVB wants to use Moutinho behind a main striker in the VDV role?

he's never played the role as far as i know though. he's basically a more tenacious, less talented version of modric and i didn't want him behind the striker so i wouldn't want moutinho either.

on page 1 alone of the transfer rumours forum i'm more interested in any links to sneijder, ba, nani, villa, isco, benat, willian, eriksen, aubameyang etc than i am of moutinho. i get that he's very good at what he does, i just don't feel that's what we need to push us over the line.

 

[beats1]

I reckon we will go to 4-3-3. Could be the reason Ade is unhappy! He knows we want to bring in a 3rd CM, and he knows that may cost him his starting place.

If we do sign Moutinho, we will go 433 and I dont want to see Defoe be in the guy up front as his deficiencies will be exposed more so imo and Ade would work better with a front dynamic 3 imo

 

[gibbospurs]

because i don't think a team with sandro, moutinho and dembele as its midfield has enough goals in them, it's a pretty impotent trio. lennon doesn't get many so it leaves a lot of pressure on bale and whoever's up top to get us the goals we need. i feel that sandro and dembele has been one of if not the best cm partnerships this season so to break that up doesn't really make sense to me. our two forwardmost players are our weakest, whether it's two strikers or one striker and a #10 - that's where i feel the money needs spending, not central midfield.

Spot on blake!! Tried saying this in the Benat thread also. We need someone who can get into the box and also score from around the pen area. We need a VDV more imo than a Moutinho.

 

[Blake Griffin]

If we do sign Moutinho, we will go 433 and I dont want to see Defoe be in the guy up front as his deficiencies will be exposed more so imo and Ade would work better with a front dynamic 3 imo

do goals not matter?

sandro 1
dembele 1
lennon 4
bale 9
ade 1

what's avb's team strategy? "ok you lot, play well and bale, you score"? for it to work you'd need a right sided version of bale and a falcao/rvp up top.

 

[Hoddle&Waddle]

Have some very similar concerns. Maybe AVB wants to use Moutinho behind a main striker in the VDV role?

He's more than capable of playing the more advanced role imo, we're talking about one of the best players in Europe. I can see peoples concerns about breaking up the Sandro Dembele partnership, but I think Moutinho would only make this even more fluid, with each midfielder charging forward when appropriate. We need that passer, and Moutinho's one of the best!!

 

[beats1]

At porto AVB had this team

Now Guarin was a DM but was then moved to be a Box to box midfielder and I can see dembele playing that role tbh but with instructions to get forward more

 

[Blake Griffin]

At porto AVB had this team

Now Guarin was a DM but was then moved to be a Box to box midfielder and I can see dembele playing that role tbh but with instructions to get forward more

that's fine if you have hulk and falcao banging in 20 or 30 goals each. lennon and ade got 20 between them last season.

 

[beats1]

that's fine if you have hulk and falcao banging in 20 or 30 goals each. lennon and ade got 20 between them last season.

I hear this argument alot but players tend to score more in a 433 and share the goals then in a more rigid system and also we scored alot of goals last season with our front 4 tbh and our front 3 should potentially make better runs and get themselves in better positions and midfielders that make late runs should also get themselves in better positions like Lampard does

 

[Blackcanary]

I hear this argument alot but players tend to score more in a 433 and share the goals then in a more rigid system and also we scored alot of goals last season with our front 4 tbh and our front 3 should potentially make better runs and get themselves in better positions and midfielders that make late runs should also get themselves in better positions like Lampard does

Also, Bale is having his best season yet, scoring wise, and even little Azza has a couple and no longer looks terrified when approaching the net! Dempsey too, should be able to net a few.

 

[Hoddle&Waddle]

that's fine if you have hulk and falcao banging in 20 or 30 goals each. lennon and ade got 20 between them last season.

That was in the Portugese league though. You don't need Hulk and Falcao to play this system effectively and get results.

 

[gibbospurs]

I hear this argument alot but players tend to score more in a 433 and share the goals then in a more rigid system and also we scored alot of goals last season with our front 4 tbh and our front 3 should potentially make better runs and get themselves in better positions and midfielders that make late runs should also get themselves in better positions like Lampard does

We dont have a Lampard tho. Point being we need this type of midfielder over a mouts.

 

[CJMurray]

that's fine if you have hulk and falcao banging in 20 or 30 goals each. lennon and ade got 20 between them last season.

I would compare Bale's tally with Hulk and Varela's with Lennon's - more similar.

I do agree with your point though, I had worries about it at first, but I trust that AVB knows what he wants to do with the team.

 

[wishkah]

A borrowed quote from another thread, think from Pony. No sauce given

Moutinho quote "I would like this move to happen, Spurs are a great club with great ambitions & a world class manager." If I were to tell you deal is done I'd be lying, but its very close now. I expect to be at Tottenham soon"

 

[beats1]

We dont have a Lampard tho. Point being we need this type of midfielder over a mouts.

I think Sig can be moulded in to that role

 

[tony0379]

But Akqayia said he was signing

 

[CoopsieDeadpool]

If we do sign Moutinho, we will go 433 and I dont want to see Defoe be in the guy up front as his deficiencies will be exposed more so imo and Ade would work better with a front dynamic 3 imo

Defoe has 'deficiencies'? .. I thought all top class strikers miss from 4 yards out & have a footballing philosophy of 'just smash it as hard as possible at the goal'? ...

I think you're spot on fella (no shit Sherlock). There's no doubt that Defoe is a 'decent' striker, but for us to get to where we want to be as a club, we need a 'class' striker, someone who can actually stroke a ball home & have that touch of something extra to unlock the Stoke's of this world. If we had a (and it pains me to say this) RVP type striker, I think we'd be capable of doing more than just challenging for 4th. Obviously we also need a David Silva type player too, to unlock teams & feed the 'class' striker.

 

[beats1]

do goals not matter?

sandro 1
dembele 1
lennon 4
bale 9
ade 1

what's avb's team strategy? "ok you lot, play well and bale, you score"? for it to work you'd need a right sided version of bale and a falcao/rvp up top.

While yes that is low but that is in a 442/4231 and those players would have more space to exploit, its not a case of they didnt score that many in this formation so they couldnt be able to score enough in that formation

Also that was mostly in a team with defoe, who is not exactly a team player and one to setup team mates despite quiet a few assists

 

[Shanks]

And no offense, but Akqa also said that throughout the whole of last summer too.

 

[Harry_Snatch]

No way he'll play Moutinho that far forward - he might shift Mousa up though.

yeah thought that straight after I posted as I have said the same in the past. Would be a massive risk to seperate Sandro and Dembele though.

I guess it gives us flexibility if we get injurys.