Joško Gvardiol

[Steffen]

How so. A direct rival showing some serious ambition. We are having loan bids rejected for Dan James. Wake up

We've upgraded our squad and done sensible signings. Have you forgotten that?
Chelsea have a weakened squad and no striker, and are throwing money at anything that moves, without any plan. That isn't ambition, it's panic.

 

[Impspur1]

So all the ‘death of spurs and life as we know it’ posts last night were an overreaction, who would have thought?‍?

 

[mil1lion]

He'll be in Barca colours next season then

 

[Tezza1978]

How so. A direct rival showing some serious ambition. We are having loan bids rejected for Dan James. Wake up

I don't need to "wake up" thanks. We aren't Chelsea, we aren't going to spend 90M euro on a player to then loan out like their "Plan" was

Really tired of this "ambition" tag being used when its by one of the handful of financially doped clubs spraying money about and happy to waste it to see what mud sticks/whether signings are a success. Chelsea have massive form for this - happy to buy players to simply stop other people buying them

 

[vegassd]

No it doesn't. They are showing serious ambition, targeting top quality players. Let's be honest, this was a window we were supposed to properly go for it, and we made one 60 mill signing, a 35 mill signing, and a free transfer.

The rest are just on young promising players, a loan who can't get a game ahead of Davies, and a back up veteran GK.

Maybe my expectations are too high, maybe I am unrealistic, but for me yet again, we haven't shown enough ambition in this market. I think FP has done a great job working within what I think are considerable financial constraints placed on him by the owners of this club. There clearly is no war chest, it's been business as usual.

I'm not sure it's you being unrealistic - I think it's more a case of taking things out of context. Trying to compare club spending as a metric of "ambition" or "success" isn't feasible. There are far too many factors in play for anybody to look at a single number (spend) and draw any conclusions.

In the case of Cheslea, they have lost Rudiger and Christensen for free so they are forced to spend money to replace those players. Add in Lukaku out on loan and a couple of other squad players released (e.g. Barkley) and they need to spend money to simply maintain their level from last year. So Koulibaly, Fofana and Sterling come in for £150m to fill those holes.

That trio of players might be an upgrade on the departing three. It might not. But the point is that it's not last year's squad plus £150m of investment.

Then we should factor in value for money. We have been able to sign Perisic, Bissouma, Spence, Forster and loaned Lenglet for less money than Chelsea spent on Cucurella. Does that make it bad business? Does that mean we are unambitious? Because if we judge on spend alone that is the story that is told.

I think your statement about the players we signed shows the faulty mindset that many people share. You listed their purchase price only... as if the purchase value is more important than what the player brings to us as a club. Would you be happier if we spent 50m on Bissouma and 30m on Perisic? That would move us up the spending table but we still have exactly the same players to fill exactly the same roles.

The price should be unimportant. What matters is what happens on the pitch. Anybody can spend money... not everybody will spend it effectively.

Finally, I think our window should be viewed mainly in the context of our own squad. Why does it matter what Chelsea or United or anyone are spending? We are competing with them but we are also in a different squad position to them. Our context is different and that changes what we need.

My personal assessment is based on our own progression. Have we made progress and have we done it sensibly/well? I think there was a hell of a lot to do in terms of both ins and outs, and from the outside at least we appear to have done a lot - and importantly it's been in line with what Conte wants. There's obviously room for improvement and there always will be. But I would much rather we give Conte a decent set of tools he can work with than worry about racking up a huge spend in a single window.

I'll take constant improvement over a flash in the pan any day. I don't think we are a finished article at all and regardless of what happens today I think we need reinforcements in January and then another summer of finding some long-term solutions in the usual squad positions. But I'm not going to worry about the numerical spend versus other teams at any point in that ride.

Two months ago we could have asked SC members to write a list of posters they thought would be dissatisfied with the transfer window regardless of what happens. My guess would be that a lot of those lists would be accurate.

 

[Impspur1]

I don't need to "wake up" thanks. We aren't Chelsea, we aren't going to spend 90M euro on a player to then loan out like their "Plan" was

Really tired of this "ambition" tag being used when its by one of the handful of financially doped clubs spraying money about and happy to waste it to see what mud sticks/whether signings are a success. Chelsea have massive form for this - happy to buy players to simply stop other people buying them

This this and this. If we sign nobody else and none leaves I think we have a fantastically balanced squad that gives us top 4 as a minimum

 

[Cornpattbuck]

"Chelsea centre-back target Josko Gvardiol is staying at RB Leipzig after signing a contract extension until 2027."

According to the BBC...

 

[kd2000]

"Chelsea centre-back target Josko Gvardiol is staying at RB Leipzig after signing a contract extension until 2027."

According to the BBC...

I think that was a few weeks back when he signed a new deal which had a reasonable selling price as part of the contract which was enabled next summer

 

[Jamturk]

How so. A direct rival showing some serious ambition. We are having loan bids rejected for Dan James. Wake up

Does it not show that he was truly unobtainable in this window?

We did try for him and found this out early doors we then went and secured Lenglet for the season.

Good job Fab in my books.

 

[kd2000]

It basically got him a little increase in wage, and a guarantee that he could be sold for a reasonable fee if he stayed for this coming season.
The deal with Chelsea is above that agreed contractual fee because they don't want to take a chance waiting until next summer when some other big hitters could have been interested at the reduced fee

 

[luRRka]

It basically got him a little increase in wage, and a guarantee that he could be sold for a reasonable fee if he stayed for this coming season.
The deal with Chelsea is above that agreed contractual fee because they don't want to take a chance waiting until next summer when some other big hitters could have been interested at the reduced fee

Romano says they turned it down and he signed a new contract. He's not going Chelsea this window

 

[kd2000]

Romano says they turned it down and he signed a new contract. He's not going Chelsea this window

The rumoured deal for Chelsea is not for this window, it is to join 2023.
But if they buy now, above the release clause for 2023 they may avoid any other big teams getting involved and missing out

 

[nialsy2005]

I'm not sure it's you being unrealistic - I think it's more a case of taking things out of context. Trying to compare club spending as a metric of "ambition" or "success" isn't feasible. There are far too many factors in play for anybody to look at a single number (spend) and draw any conclusions.

In the case of Cheslea, they have lost Rudiger and Christensen for free so they are forced to spend money to replace those players. Add in Lukaku out on loan and a couple of other squad players released (e.g. Barkley) and they need to spend money to simply maintain their level from last year. So Koulibaly, Fofana and Sterling come in for £150m to fill those holes.

That trio of players might be an upgrade on the departing three. It might not. But the point is that it's not last year's squad plus £150m of investment.

Then we should factor in value for money. We have been able to sign Perisic, Bissouma, Spence, Forster and loaned Lenglet for less money than Chelsea spent on Cucurella. Does that make it bad business? Does that mean we are unambitious? Because if we judge on spend alone that is the story that is told.

I think your statement about the players we signed shows the faulty mindset that many people share. You listed their purchase price only... as if the purchase value is more important than what the player brings to us as a club. Would you be happier if we spent 50m on Bissouma and 30m on Perisic? That would move us up the spending table but we still have exactly the same players to fill exactly the same roles.

The price should be unimportant. What matters is what happens on the pitch. Anybody can spend money... not everybody will spend it effectively.

Finally, I think our window should be viewed mainly in the context of our own squad. Why does it matter what Chelsea or United or anyone are spending? We are competing with them but we are also in a different squad position to them. Our context is different and that changes what we need.

My personal assessment is based on our own progression. Have we made progress and have we done it sensibly/well? I think there was a hell of a lot to do in terms of both ins and outs, and from the outside at least we appear to have done a lot - and importantly it's been in line with what Conte wants. There's obviously room for improvement and there always will be. But I would much rather we give Conte a decent set of tools he can work with than worry about racking up a huge spend in a single window.

I'll take constant improvement over a flash in the pan any day. I don't think we are a finished article at all and regardless of what happens today I think we need reinforcements in January and then another summer of finding some long-term solutions in the usual squad positions. But I'm not going to worry about the numerical spend versus other teams at any point in that ride.

Two months ago we could have asked SC members to write a list of posters they thought would be dissatisfied with the transfer window regardless of what happens. My guess would be that a lot of those lists would be accurate.

Post of the day

 

[luRRka]

The rumoured deal for Chelsea is not for this window, it is to join 2023.
But if they buy now, above the release clause for 2023 they may avoid any other big teams getting involved and missing out

Yes. And it's been rejected. As per Romano.

 

[Chirpystheman]

Man believes earth is flat

So we haven't had ITK saying we are looking at Dan James. The fact he's going fulham suggests we didn't offer enough. Either way we were looking at him and haven't got someone who FP and AC both like according to our ITK and respected spurs Journos.

As for the earth everyone knows its flat.

 

[Chirpystheman]

I'm not sure it's you being unrealistic - I think it's more a case of taking things out of context. Trying to compare club spending as a metric of "ambition" or "success" isn't feasible. There are far too many factors in play for anybody to look at a single number (spend) and draw any conclusions.

In the case of Cheslea, they have lost Rudiger and Christensen for free so they are forced to spend money to replace those players. Add in Lukaku out on loan and a couple of other squad players released (e.g. Barkley) and they need to spend money to simply maintain their level from last year. So Koulibaly, Fofana and Sterling come in for £150m to fill those holes.

That trio of players might be an upgrade on the departing three. It might not. But the point is that it's not last year's squad plus £150m of investment.

Then we should factor in value for money. We have been able to sign Perisic, Bissouma, Spence, Forster and loaned Lenglet for less money than Chelsea spent on Cucurella. Does that make it bad business? Does that mean we are unambitious? Because if we judge on spend alone that is the story that is told.

I think your statement about the players we signed shows the faulty mindset that many people share. You listed their purchase price only... as if the purchase value is more important than what the player brings to us as a club. Would you be happier if we spent 50m on Bissouma and 30m on Perisic? That would move us up the spending table but we still have exactly the same players to fill exactly the same roles.

The price should be unimportant. What matters is what happens on the pitch. Anybody can spend money... not everybody will spend it effectively.

Finally, I think our window should be viewed mainly in the context of our own squad. Why does it matter what Chelsea or United or anyone are spending? We are competing with them but we are also in a different squad position to them. Our context is different and that changes what we need.

You make a lot of valid points. However on the faulty mindset bit I take some exception. If you go out for dinner with a £100 budget and you wont be eating out again for 4 months and you get there and the resturant throws in some free sides (perisic and forster) and tells you the steak that is usually £50 is £25 (bissouma) do you order a dessert as you are still a little hungry and have room for it Or do you go home with £££ in your pocket. You have the budget for it. And the you clearly don't fancy any of the dessert options at home (sarr, spence, gil, lenglet)

The fact that they were cheap only increases the incentive to add more.

 

[mil1lion]

So we haven't had ITK saying we are looking at Dan James. The fact he's going fulham suggests we didn't offer enough. Either way we were looking at him and haven't got someone who FP and AC both like according to our ITK and respected spurs Journos.

As for the earth everyone knows its flat.

Again with the we didn't offer enough and we were looking at him when we don't know that as a fact. More likely agent generating interest for his player and gets his move to Fulham.

 

[Trix]

Hahaha. They bid for a player the entire league is going to bid for next year. It was a pointless bid that was never going to be accepted. If he has an amazing WC, then he'll be over 100m.

Sorry if I'm being unfair, but you strike me as the sort of poster that would have gotten upset at us trying to sign Rivaldo. That showed ambition. He wrote us a nice letter. Same scenario: we didn't end up with the player. You have genuinely no idea who we have/haven't been bidding for - so assertions about ambition are a load of bollocks.

He 100% ends up at City next year.

They Publicly turn down 90mil and from Chelsea yet there will still be idiots out there telling us when he does finally move that this was the Summer we missed the boat just because we enquired.

 

[djhotspur]

Laxcroix in talks with Southampton… wasnt he a big talent a year ago? Why can’t we go for him

 

[fecka]

Laxcroix in talks with Southampton… wasnt he a big talent a year ago? Why can’t we go for him

Had a pretty poor season IIRC.