Joe Hart

[Bus-Conductor]

Just watched his interview on BBC premier league show. Was pleasently surprised and impressed with him as a person. One of the most articulate and intelligent sounding English footballers I've listened to in a long while. Came across as a really decent fella with a really good head on his shoulders.

Brave move going Turin, hats off to him for being that rare commodity, an English footballer prepared to go abroad and experience a different culture.

 

[Danners9]

Came across as a really decent fella with a really good head on his shoulders.

I hope this was intentional.

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One of the biggest criticisms was that he was more into endorsements (see Daniel Sturridge/Subway) than improving his game. Breaks during England games would feature the players in ads and leave many fans feeling as if the players didn't care - or, more likely, the FA didn't care as they pushed their players into ads while performances were uninspiring.

Torino seem to be a team who score a lot and concede a lot. It's a good experience for him, better than rotting at City. More players should make the move overseas.

 

[spursfan77]

I was pleased that he went and played abroad.

I do find it strange that footballers who can earn a lot of money pretty much anywhere they go decide to stay in England all their careers rather than try Italy, Spain or somewhere else nice and warm. They could try different lifestyles, languages and cultures without having to worry about the cost of doing so.

 

[riggi]

I was pleased that he went and played abroad.

I do find it strange that footballers who can earn a lot of money pretty much anywhere they go decide to stay in England all their careers rather than try Italy, Spain or somewhere else nice and warm. They could try different lifestyles, languages and cultures without having to worry about the cost of doing so.

Some people don't like leaving their comfort zone.

 

[talkshowhost86]

Some people don't like leaving their comfort zone.

It is a particularly British trait though.

Still....I'm sure all that will change with a more progressive and welcoming approach to Europe generally.

Oh.

 

[talkshowhost86]

Genuinely though I completely agree that more English players should ply their trade abroad.

I think it's one of the reasons the national team has struggled because our style of football can be very insular, with players having little experience of different styles. It's also reflected in the poor performance in Europe by English teams in recent years.

I think a lot of English players could be relatively big stars in mid-top table European teams, but they'd rather sit at the likes of Stoke/West Brom, and in some cases in the Championship, than try going abroad.

 

[Pellshek]

Yup, impressive fellow. I mean, I wouldn't have him anywhere near my goalposts, but a good lad.

 

[mill]

An average pl player is likely to get paid more at an average pl club than an average foreign club majority of the time, I think it's about money as much as anything else

 

[Japhet]

Just watched his interview on BBC premier league show. Was pleasently surprised and impressed with him as a person. One of the most articulate and intelligent sounding English footballers I've listened to in a long while. Came across as a really decent fella with a really good head on his shoulders.

Brave move going Turin, hats off to him for being that rare commodity, an English footballer prepared to go abroad and experience a different culture.

I'm not sure how many foreign clubs want English players. I'd think language would be a huge barrier to many (who can barely speak English), compared to foreign players coming here.

 

[rossdapep]

An average pl player is likely to get paid more at an average pl club than an average foreign club majority of the time, I think it's about money as much as anything else

I also think it's because the likes of Sky continuously promote the Prem as the best league in the world and question why player's wouldn't want to play here. It's a shame because I agree that players should give it a go.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

I also think it's because the likes of Sky continuously promote the Prem as the best league in the world and question why player's wouldn't want to play here. It's a shame because I agree that players should give it a go.

I think in the past it was simply about football and less about economics, the rare odd very talented player went abroad (Keegan, Woodcock, Hoddle, Waddle, Gascoigne) but generally there was no need to import from England as the product was often technically and tactically inferior and represented poor value for money.

Then economics really kicked in and made it even less viable, as average salaries in the EPL are more than double the next nearest European league now. So you might get the odd Bale, but outside the uber clubs of Barca, RM, Bayern, PSG, Juve it's hard for anyone to match even mid table salaries in the EPL.

 

[ljinko888]

He always come across a bit too cocksure. A decent lad, good for the dressing room etc but I think his days were numbered at City anyway. Ok Bravo has been one of the worst signings in Prem history but they'll try again in the summer to sort the keeper problem finally.

Hart was part of that problem.

 

[talkshowhost86]

He always come across a bit too cocksure. A decent lad, good for the dressing room etc but I think his days were numbered at City anyway. Ok Bravo has been one of the worst signings in Prem history but they'll try again in the summer to sort the keeper problem finally.

Hart was part of that problem.

I don't really think he was a problem. He's not world class but he was consistently very good for City.

Pep just wanted a keeper who can play the ball and charge off his line, forgetting that you also need a keeper who has hands.

 

[ljinko888]

I don't really think he was a problem. He's not world class but he was consistently very good for City.

Pep just wanted a keeper who can play the ball and charge off his line, forgetting that you also need a keeper who has hands.

I just don't think he's reliable. Has too many mistakes in him. He was great in the 11-12 title winning campaign but has he really improved since?

 

[Nerine]

Pissed up, but talk sport were giving it large about how English players should go abroad more often to play football. Some idiot rang up and was talking to Adrian Durham and basically said that Dele Alli should move to Real Madrid given the chance, because the English football team, National team, needs players that can handle pressure situations. The argument being, that when you play for Real Madrid, you're in the spotlight every single game, and therefore you are then able to deliver on the big stages nationally. Because you're used to the pressure, obviously. I don't think it's any secret that Gareth Bales agent has just taken on Dele Alli, and so therefore Gareth Bale came out and said that Dele Alli was a great player et cetera, but come on. But yeah, essentially more English players should ply their trade abroad, because it will make them more used to handling pressure situations when it comes to big tournaments et cetera.

So basically, Joe Hart seems to have done a cool thing by playing abroad, and by talk sport logic, he is now able to handle pressure situations with much more aplomb because he is used to playing in a league that is more competitive. Apparently. Personally, I think it's just the media looking for another story to peddle. Let's be honest, The only people that would like to see Dele Alli leave Tottenham are people who don't support Tottenham. Like, it would be good for the English game. LOL.

Apologies, I am massively drunk, and I have basically spoken this whole post into my phone, and if it has came out making any sense whatsoever, I will eat my hat. If any of the words are understandable, then I'll be very surprised, because after I have been speaking very quickly. So, yeah. Let's see how this post goes it's probably more accurate having done it like this. I feel like I know what I meant to say, but whether it's come out like that or not, but I have no idea.

 

[Nerine]

Evidently, it was nonsense

 

[Danners9]

Personally, I think it's just the media looking for another story to peddle. Let's be honest, The only people that would like to see Dele Alli leave Tottenham are people who don't support Tottenham. Like, it would be good for the English game. LOL.

They say things like how it would be good for the English game to see players go abroad, and then when they do they say the Premier League isn't as good as it was and can't keep its best or attract the best. Can't have it both ways. The media were desperate for Suarez to leave, for Ronaldo to leave, for Bale to leave and now it seems to be Alli (and even Dier), yet at the same time there are stories every summer of Ronaldo and Bale to Man Utd, everyone to Chelsea or Liverpool. The media in England live in a bubble where the league IS the best and the only place players want to be, and the only other clubs they know are Real, Barcelona and Bayern. Maybe PSG. You can see it with Alexis Sanchez now. And they will complain that the PL has lost a star when he goes.

It would be fine if there was a rich supply line of English talent but there isn't, and what talent there is gets hoovered up at a young age and their progress stunted. Chelsea's youth and reserve teams, for example, and all those players on loan. If they were playing at top half Championship or bottom half Premier League regularly, ie on contracts, and moving when they were ready, would they be better players/better equipped to handle pressure than being on a safe contract at Chelsea for however long and on loan at a different club every year? Kane says the Millwall situation made him grow up, but his future at Spurs was not as secure as the kids on 10-20k a week at Chelsea. Going abroad isn't necessarily the answer, although it is a good option, but producing and nurturing talented more young players is more important.

 

[thelak]

I'm not sure how many foreign clubs want English players. I'd think language would be a huge barrier to many (who can barely speak English), compared to foreign players coming here.

Dropping some scouse in an Italian dressing room. Recipe for disaster

 

[Japhet]

They say things like how it would be good for the English game to see players go abroad, and then when they do they say the Premier League isn't as good as it was and can't keep its best or attract the best. Can't have it both ways. The media were desperate for Suarez to leave, for Ronaldo to leave, for Bale to leave and now it seems to be Alli (and even Dier), yet at the same time there are stories every summer of Ronaldo and Bale to Man Utd, everyone to Chelsea or Liverpool. The media in England live in a bubble where the league IS the best and the only place players want to be, and the only other clubs they know are Real, Barcelona and Bayern. Maybe PSG. You can see it with Alexis Sanchez now. And they will complain that the PL has lost a star when he goes.

It would be fine if there was a rich supply line of English talent but there isn't, and what talent there is gets hoovered up at a young age and their progress stunted. Chelsea's youth and reserve teams, for example, and all those players on loan. If they were playing at top half Championship or bottom half Premier League regularly, ie on contracts, and moving when they were ready, would they be better players/better equipped to handle pressure than being on a safe contract at Chelsea for however long and on loan at a different club every year? Kane says the Millwall situation made him grow up, but his future at Spurs was not as secure as the kids on 10-20k a week at Chelsea. Going abroad isn't necessarily the answer, although it is a good option, but producing and nurturing talented more young players is more important.

Are you suggesting that the British Press agitate situations to create stories for them to write about? Outrageous!

 

[aliyid]

Bless him, never seen a more honest self burn “That’s why my career has gone where it’s gone”