Joey barton

[agrdavidsfan]

Unfortunately, one of my friends associates played under him at city apparently he is as vile all of the time.

Just one of those on the edge type of blokes that thinks he speaks his mind but is actually a knob, encourages players in training to hurt the younger kids to toughen them up etc horrid bloke.

 

[Navin R Johnson]

 

[dellybelly]

 

[Frozen_Waffles]

Yeah I think this is the case.

He has realised he isnt cut out for football management/coaching so has given up.

Knowing that he is unlikely to get chosen as a pundit, he needs something else.

Now, I do think there is an element of box ticking going on as there seems to be a load of women pundits/commentators suddenly.

Some of them have been awful. Some have been decent.

But then again, Merson's opinions and insights are absolute toilet.

Savage and McManaman are totally useless co-commentators.

Micah Richards offers little but a big laugh. Keane just lays into bad performances.

So its not about sex. Its about quality. Entertainment in the broadcasters eyes unfortunately.

I certainly don't have a problem with women offering punditry or commentary but I do perhaps think they are opening the door to all of them and that is allowing some who are probably not capable in.

But they have done that with mens for years so I dont get why people are complaining about it being just women.

If it was down to me, Id have applicants watch a game and then deliver a presentation on the analysis to prove their ability to analyse and explain.

Think it would be good for them too as they wont be mocked on Twitter for saying things theyll get ridículas for.

For example, Lucy Ward gets pelters because she doesnt offer any insight. She basically just explains what we can all see.

But weve had plenty of male co-commentators who have done the same over the years. We do groan about that but now its being used as a sexist angle.

But If Lucy Ward could analyse better then she may not get as much ridicule. For example, I havent seen many go after Emma Hayes because she genuinely is fantastic at explaining

This is it, quality over quotas. I don't care if it's a man, a woman of any race or religion (or whatever), but it should be who is the best. Whether they were a footballer as well is not vital.

But the BBC have been hiring idiots for years to do 'punditry' so what does it matter?

Luckily we live in an age where we can pick and choose who we listen to as regards to pundits. Commentary is perhaps more difficult to avoid, remember Michael Owen...

He would say it exactly as it happened and the repeat it, it was ludicrous.

"He tackled the player there and the ball went out for a throw in"

5 seconds later......

"The player was tackled and a throw in has been given"

Or Martin Keown and his completely biased comments or Agbonglahor with whatever rubbish he spouts on a regular basis.

I like to listen to Laura Woods inspite of her mental deficiency (being an arsenal fan) the fact that she is a woman is neither here nor there.

The idea of including a footballer in a team because of their creed or sex is ridiculous, and it should be the same with pundits.

 

[Bluto Blutarsky]

Really - until you guys have been forced to listen to American's commentating on a match - there should be no complaints.

American commentators have an incessant need to fill any time with talk - every moment is filled by someone over-explaining some minutiae od what everyone just saw on the screen.


But, I did want to comment on female commentators in general - there are not many, and they are very new to the process. I don't know names, and it's not really important - but there was one female commentator who does the international feed, and she has been doing it for 2-3 years now. When she started - I thought it was awful. And, I hated it - not as much as Americans, but close.

Because of the timing, most games are on Saturday mornings, I watch/listen to hundreds of games a season - often just in the background, but virtually every weekend I'll catch 3-4 games. And, I have listened to her many times over the last couple of years. She gets a lot of the really bad games that are on at 3:00 on Saturdays. And this year, I noticed that she has really improved her style - to the point where she sounds like any other commentator (voice aside).

And that only happens because someone gave her a chance, and did not shut her down when she struggled. And she worked at her craft. And she undoubtedly has inspired more women to consider this as a career. That is a good thing - because ultimately it does lead to better commentators - instead of just recycling a few old pros.

When I watch the US play - I either find a Spanish feed to listen to (I don't understand a word, and it's still better), or I turn the volume off. Nobody is forced to listen to commentators they truly don't like. But, giving people a chance to grow - that is worth any minor inconvenience.

 

[teok]

 

[GMI]

Apologies for the Mail link but Barton really doubling down now..

Barton accuses football pundit Aluko of 'playing the victim card'

Earlier this week, former England international Aluko said she had been 'genuinely scared' to leave her house following Barton's remarks and was now abroad.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[GMI]

And trying to pretend he’s some sorted of tormented genius again by quoting Milton….

 

[Trix]

Barton is a prick but he's not wrong about Eni Aluko. She is unlistenable imo. It's not because she's a woman Emma Hayes is possibly my favourite ever pundit. I'm still trying to think of a male pundit I have preferred. Maybe Jose and I loved El Tel? Fact is Aluko is awful and if someone has screen-tested her and still given her the gig they need firing too.

I'll also add fwiw Barton is a shit pundit too.

 

[TheHodFather]

He's a thug who just happened to be good at football. If he hadn't been good at football he'd probably have ended up doing time like his brother and his cousin. Don't give him the oxygen.

 

[Hazelton]

Mediocre player, failed manager, horrendous person. Taken the Andrew Tate path to remain relevant, because ultimately nobody respects his opinion on football and, frankly, he's a ****.

 

[Tonio]

Barton is a prick but he's not wrong about Eni Aluko. She is unlistenable imo. It's not because she's a woman Emma Hayes is possibly my favourite ever pundit. I'm still trying to think of a male pundit I have preferred. Maybe Jose and I loved El Tel? Fact is Aluko is awful and if someone has screen-tested her and still given her the gig they need firing too.

I'll also add fwiw Barton is a shit pundit too.

This is what happens when equality of outcome is favoured over equality of opportunity.

 

[talkshowhost86]

Barton is a prick but he's not wrong about Eni Aluko. She is unlistenable imo. It's not because she's a woman Emma Hayes is possibly my favourite ever pundit. I'm still trying to think of a male pundit I have preferred. Maybe Jose and I loved El Tel? Fact is Aluko is awful and if someone has screen-tested her and still given her the gig they need firing too.

I'll also add fwiw Barton is a shit pundit too.

If he had put down some cogent thoughts about why he didn't agree with Aluko or perhaps why he thought she wasn't a great pundit then you'd maybe have a point.

But he didn't.

He compared her to a serial killer and is now saying she is playing the victim card for calling him out on it. All because he's just desperate for attention.

He wasn't 'right' about her at all.

 

[Trix]

If he had put down some cogent thoughts about why he didn't agree with Aluko or perhaps why he thought she wasn't a great pundit then you'd maybe have a point.

But he didn't.

He compared her to a serial killer and is now saying she is playing the victim card for calling him out on it. All because he's just desperate for attention.

He wasn't 'right' about her at all.

In that she wasn't good enough and hasn't been hired for the right reasons, is all I meant. As I say Barton is a prick.

 

[talkshowhost86]

In that she wasn't good enough and hasn't been hired for the right reasons, is all I meant. As I say Barton is a prick.

Saying he's right about anything is giving him the ammo he needs.

Everyone should just be telling him to fuck off because he's a misogynist arsehole.

Then a separate discussion can happen on the merits of positive discrimination.

 

[Maxtremist]

If he had put down some cogent thoughts about why he didn't agree with Aluko or perhaps why he thought she wasn't a great pundit then you'd maybe have a point.

But he didn't.

He compared her to a serial killer and is now saying she is playing the victim card for calling him out on it. All because he's just desperate for attention.

He wasn't 'right' about her at all.

100% this.

There's a conversation to be had over the quality of a lot of pundits. Aluko is in that group as a bad pundit. I personally think there's worse than her but for sure, we can have a conversation about that.

But Barton going straight to comparing her to a serial killer is just way over the line. To the level that I don't think anyone can 'agree with Barton' or say that Barton 'has a point'. Because Barton's point wasn't just that 'they were a bad pundit'. It was so much more and so much worse than that.

Anyone who does say they 'agree' I personally feel is adding more reason than is needed to Barton's comments. Almost the idea of trying to find the truth in his words. Let's not try and even slightly excuse the awful things he's saying.

 

[Trix]

Saying he's right about anything is giving him the ammo he needs.

Everyone should just be telling him to fuck off because he's a misogynist arsehole.

Then a separate discussion can happen on the merits of positive discrimination.

Don't worry I haven't told him.

 

[talkshowhost86]

Don't worry I haven't told him.

Yeah...you've told us though

 

[Trix]

Yeah...you've told us though

Well as long as you don't tell him we'll be fine.

I'll be honest, I've never understood the all or nothing rhetoric I find on here sometimes. I find it strange that people can't seem to hold multiple viewpoints within a specific topic. it's either X is bad Y is Good and nothing in between, and if you dare to offer that varied opinion you are lumped into "you must be....." basket. It's all very much "what have the Romans ever done for us" imo.

 

[talkshowhost86]

Well as long as you don't tell him we'll be fine.

I'll be honest, I've never understood the all or nothing rhetoric I find on here sometimes. I find it strange that people can't seem to hold multiple viewpoints within a specific topic. it's either X is bad Y is Good and nothing in between, and if you dare to offer that varied opinion you are lumped into "you must be....." basket. It's all very much "what have the Romans ever done for us" imo.

On most things i agree with that approach.

But there's no nuance to someone like Barton.

He's a bigot...pure and simple.

Therefore I wouldn't want to be seen to be agreeing with him on anything.