John Bostock is in the squad for tomorrow!

[polski sklep]

your going on recent form when our entire team was playing crap, pretty harsh i think and has just been stated he played amazingly well for us before . Dawson is a decent defender he has just had a rough patch this last season.

And you're going on his first season, where he was punching above his weight. He also had the fortunate addition of superior defense minded players surrounding him, mopping up his mistakes.

Dawson is a Championship defender who is occasionally capable of playing to a mediocre level. He can never be relied upon to perform.

 

[InOffMeLeftShin]

Was that the same defence that leaked 54 goals in the season?? Only behind Derby??

No. Not the season I was on about. Which is clear from the next part of the sentence.

 

[polski sklep]

If your going to come out with stats like that, why don't you do one for Gareth Bale and his EPL performances for us, that makes more interesting viewing, do you think he is rubbish as well???

He hasn't played all that well since coming back from injury. Right now, I prefer BAE. Bale has potential, Dawson does not.

That stat is a convenience to get across my point. It may be interesting to see the equivalent from last season. Besides, it's more his performances which should be looked at - which have been evidently below par for near on 2 years.

 

[Tickers]

Not unless you missed him getting sent off in Poland. :grin:

Or, more accurately, Italy. :wink:

 

[ShelfSide18]

Whatever you think of Dawson, and I happen to like him a lot(perhaps because my memory lasts longer than last season) the abuse he gets here and lately by fans at the games is nothing short of disgusting.

The guy genuinely cares about Spurs, he tries harder than most and is willing to put his head where most players wouldn't put their feet.

He's one of those players that needs support not abuse to get the best out of him, not calling him a donkey etc. I have no problem with him starting tomorrow at all, actually one of the reasons he and 10 others are starting tomorrow is because of that last ditch tackle at Krakow.

Lay off him, sing 'there's only 1 Michael Dawson' like we all used too, and then maybe you may see him capture that form of old. Spurs fans have put enough good players in the footballers grave before don't lets make Daws another casualty eh?

 

[steve]

And you're going on his first season, where he was punching above his weight. He also had the fortunate addition of superior defense minded players surrounding him, mopping up his mistakes.

Dawson is a Championship defender who is occasionally capable of playing to a mediocre level. He can never be relied upon to perform.

You forgot to add 'in your opinion'.

You've been out of order on this thread. Who were the superior defense minded players surrounding him then (apart from King - no one's comparing those two)? Erik Edman? Noe Pamarot? Timothee Atouba? Phil Ifill? Paul Stalteri?

He was magnificent in his first full season, how anyone can claim otherwise is beyond me. Part of the reason many are so disappointed with him now has been his failure to continue that form. But as Spurs have got worse then so has Dawson, and he's obviously missed King alongside him.

He's not a championship defender he's a premiership one who's lost his form and confidence. He's not top drawer and I doubt he ever will be but you forget the 100% contribution he's made ever since he joined and he'd get into more Premiership teams than not I reckon. His last performance against Pompey was one of his best for a while and he certainly wasn't culpable for the goals scored against us.

And using recent stats is so ridiculous to be laughable - I'm surprised you had the balls to do it as you know it's very misleading. As someone else pointed out Bale's record is worse - he's rubbish too isn't he?

 

[steve]

Whatever you think of Dawson, and I happen to like him a lot(perhaps because my memory lasts longer than last season) the abuse he gets here and lately by fans at the games is nothing short of disgusting.

The guy genuinely cares about Spurs, he tries harder than most and is willing to put his head where most players wouldn't put their feet.

He's one of those players that needs support not abuse to get the best out of him, not calling him a donkey etc. I have no problem with him starting tomorrow at all, actually one of the reasons he and 10 others are starting tomorrow is because of that last ditch tackle at Krakow.

Lay off him, sing 'there's only 1 Michael Dawson' like we all used too, and then maybe you may see him capture that form of old. Spurs fans have put enough good players in the footballers grave before don't lets make Daws another casualty eh?

Great post have some rep.

 

[spursfan1991]

Tommorows game is perfect for Dawson, he will be playing against a team that is inferior in quality to most teams in the EPL and also, i'm confident they won't even spend a lot of time on our half of the pitch.

 

[Coyboy]

Good as usual Shelfside and INOMLS.

 

[piedpiper]

Whatever you think of Dawson, and I happen to like him a lot(perhaps because my memory lasts longer than last season) the abuse he gets here and lately by fans at the games is nothing short of disgusting.

The guy genuinely cares about Spurs, he tries harder than most and is willing to put his head where most players wouldn't put their feet.

He's one of those players that needs support not abuse to get the best out of him, not calling him a donkey etc. I have no problem with him starting tomorrow at all, actually one of the reasons he and 10 others are starting tomorrow is because of that last ditch tackle at Krakow.

Lay off him, sing 'there's only 1 Michael Dawson' like we all used too, and then maybe you may see him capture that form of old. Spurs fans have put enough good players in the footballers grave before don't lets make Daws another casualty eh?

Great post, refreshing to see a supporter whose memory actually extends beyond 3 games. I still remember him being a catalyst in our second season under Jol where he played every game and was a key in us getting 5th.

 

[jondesouza]

Barcham is definitely still out on loan as he's in the Gillingham squad for the weekend's FA Cup game. I think it's reasonably safe to say that the squad list is wrong; Dos Santos has officially been ruled out as well and Jenas has been confirmed as doubtful.

I do think we're likely to see Bostock on the bench to be honest - like I said in the team for Zagreb thread, as much as anything because we're running pretty short of midfield options.

 

[sidford]

Great post, refreshing to see a supporter whose memory actually extends beyond 3 games. I still remember him being a catalyst in our second season under Jol where he played every game and was a key in us getting 5th.

at the risk of playing devils advocate he hasnt improved at all as a player since then and has actually become a lot more error prone since those days. Yes there are reasons that can be given for this e.g. lack of regular partner, change in managers, loss of carrick as a screen etc however i think a lot of supporters, including myself, find it hard to take that we had one of the best defensive young talents in the premiership and have not been able to improve him or even keep his game at the same level. although there are some reasons for it he still has to take responsibility himself and i think that a lot of the criticism he is taking is from frustrated fans who know he is able to perform better then he has been for last season and this season.

 

[kali]

Danny Rose is injured and out for at about 6 months although that could be less as that was about a month ago so prob 5 months now.

 

[mike_l]

I think it would be wise to at least have him on the bench to give him some 1st team involvement. When he signed he must have been promised a couple of outings and to be at least in and around the squad, yet so far he hasn't even been involved with the reserves. Hopefully he isn't getting disgruntled at unfulfilled promises on our part.

 

[ShelfSide18]

at the risk of playing devils advocate he hasnt improved at all as a player since then and has actually become a lot more error prone since those days. Yes there are reasons that can be given for this e.g. lack of regular partner, change in managers, loss of carrick as a screen etc however i think a lot of supporters, including myself, find it hard to take that we had one of the best defensive young talents in the premiership and have not been able to improve him or even keep his game at the same level. although there are some reasons for it he still has to take responsibility himself and i think that a lot of the criticism he is taking is from frustrated fans who know he is able to perform better then he has been for last season and this season.

The thing is you have made some fair points without resorting to calling him a donkey - thats what gets you respect.

He needs to up his game yes, but he needs support and encouragement from the fans - it's a 2 way thing

Its exactly 2 years to the day since we beat Chelsea 2-1 at the lane. Dawson scored and was a rock that day if anyone remembers!

 

[guynaisse]

Dervite in the group tomorrow

I heard that Dorian Dervite should be in the group tomorrow. Apparently he showed during his last 2 or 3 games that he is fit again and deserves joining the band.:clap:
If confirmed, it will be a good reward for him as he has been working very hard to come back after his injury. I met him few times in the past and he was strong in his mind. He knew it will take 8 to 10 months to recover after restarting training.

 

[puppa_toni]

Does he play drums?

 

[mil1lion]

I'm not a big fan of Dawson, but he often plays well in Europe. So i'd be happy for him to start tomorrow. Harry doesn't play things out like Ramos did. Ramos prefered to play better players out of position rather than an ok player in position. I dont think we'll get that with Harry. He'll play players in their natural position more often than not. So i expect Dawson to start.

Great news on Bostock. He'll be our Bojan.

 

[ggibbs1971]

I saw a list of 24 Spurs players on another site, as being in the team. Aren't they just the players who are UEFA Cup eligible? Won't Harry announce his team and subs early tomorrow evening?

 

[polski sklep]

Whatever you think of Dawson, and I happen to like him a lot(perhaps because my memory lasts longer than last season) the abuse he gets here and lately by fans at the games is nothing short of disgusting.

The guy genuinely cares about Spurs, he tries harder than most and is willing to put his head where most players wouldn't put their feet.

He's one of those players that needs support not abuse to get the best out of him, not calling him a donkey etc. I have no problem with him starting tomorrow at all, actually one of the reasons he and 10 others are starting tomorrow is because of that last ditch tackle at Krakow.

Lay off him, sing 'there's only 1 Michael Dawson' like we all used too, and then maybe you may see him capture that form of old. Spurs fans have put enough good players in the footballers grave before don't lets make Daws another casualty eh?

You are absolutely right with your approach to positively supporting our players.

It's not just support from the fan he needs, it's support from the players around him. However, we cannot have a passenger occupying such an imperative position. Obviously, he is now considered back-up but regardless of any players' role, we still need the reassurance that they have the ability to perform when called upon.

During 05/06, we performed well, defensively and he was a part of that. We also possessed players with good defensive strength in King, Carrick, Davids, Stalteri, Mendes and YPL. Now, and last season, we have players who are not arguably as strong, in this respect. Unfortunately, I believe he has now been exposed to some people that may have previously rated him.

At the time, I could see the flaws in his game - notably his lack of positional sense and uncanny ability to give away needless fouls. What guided him through was his admirable nobel attitude and willingness to put his body on the line, not any exceptional defensive characteristics.

Like Robinson, his flaws, I believe, were covered up (partly) by the superior abilities of those around him. He had (as evidenced by more recent performances) an uncharacteristically good season which coincided with the regular feature of one of the best defenders in the country, alongside him.

Just as Ledley has a calming influence on the backline, the team functioning better purely due to his presence, I believe Dawson to have the opposite effect. For me, that is not a 'superb' back-up.