Jose Mourinho

[Deleted member 27995]

Jose Mourinho facing dressing room backlash after Tottenham claims

Tottenham were beaten by a single goal on the opening day of the season as visitors Everton escaped with all three points, leading Mourinho to criticise his players

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Written by a fucking gooner, a bitter one at that.

 

[Shadydan]

Jose Mourinho facing dressing room backlash after Tottenham claims

Tottenham were beaten by a single goal on the opening day of the season as visitors Everton escaped with all three points, leading Mourinho to criticise his players

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Speculative bollocks

 

[Cornpattbuck]

Jose Mourinho facing dressing room backlash after Tottenham claims

Tottenham were beaten by a single goal on the opening day of the season as visitors Everton escaped with all three points, leading Mourinho to criticise his players

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John Cross. I'm shocked said no one.

 

[cjbyid]

I'm surprised it's taking this long for a Journo to write something along those lines up.

Any chance they get to jump on us

 

[Deep Left]

Don't know where else to put this, but sure as hell don't want to spam the ITK thread, so...



Very little of that is accurate - we didn't go a season with 1 LB and 1 RB; we started with 2 (Rose/Davies and Aurier/KWP) not including the players MP thought were also capable of that area (JV/JF), and then it wasn't until January that we let one of each go on loan because, seemingly, they weren't wanted. Ain't a thing about that which is relevant to anyone but the manager's preference. I don't believe he wanted to replace them either.

"No defensive midfielder" - again, depends on tactics, but Winks, Sissoko, Skipp, Dier, Wanyama - all of them were (even if not exclusively) that role under Poch. Gedson is and he came in in January.

"half a season with no creative no. 10" - Seems oddly specific, but it was always pretty much accepted that Gio was the Eriksen replacement. The lack of overlap seems to make it sound like he wasn't replaced, but rather Bergwijn replaced him under a different area of need. What's Ndombele if he isn't a DM or Number 10 anyway? I know they are very specific roles, but it seems like a thin argument to be that specific when ignoring all the guys we have and brought in.

As per "1 striker", it's been mentioned many times before, but Poch only really ever used Kane/Son for that role - he ignored Llorente for the most part, even infuriatingly when Kane was out and Son needed a break. The winter window was a time we should have replaced him, but I get that there was bugger all of value to be found and we spent a lot on GLC/Ndombele/Bergwijn etc.

I wanted to elaborate on that because it seems to be brought up a lot for people's reasons to be annoyed, but there's a lot about it that's accurate and it comes across as an excuse to be annoyed.

- Got rid of rose/ kwp and didn't replace.
- winks. Not a DM. Sissoko. Not a DM, He was a makeshift Central midfielder because we didnt have enough central midfielders! Wanyama. Sold, not replaced. Dier. I'll, give you that as hes a hybrid DM/ CB.

- Trying to justify having 1 striker is silly.

- eriksen wasnt replaced.

- "what's ndombele if hes not a no. 10 or DM anyway?" ......... ermmmmmmm a no. 8!!!

 

[sausage]

- Got rid of rose/ kwp and didn't replace.
- winks. Not a DM. Sissoko. Not a DM, He was a makeshift Central midfielder because we didnt have enough central midfielders! Wanyama. Sold, not replaced. Dier. I'll, give you that as hes a hybrid DM/ CB.

- Trying to justify having 1 striker is silly.

- eriksen wasnt replaced.

- "what's ndombele if hes not a no. 10 or DM anyway?" ......... ermmmmmmm a no. 8!!!

I shouldn't have bothered really should I?

 

[Montalbano]

Jose Mourinho facing dressing room backlash after Tottenham claims

Tottenham were beaten by a single goal on the opening day of the season as visitors Everton escaped with all three points, leading Mourinho to criticise his players

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Utter tosh.

 

[Wizzy77]

Been supporting this club for decades.

Besides the usual missing silverware, what i always felt missing crucially is a winning mentality. That separates us from the rest of the big teams for decades.

What Mourinho brings in is a breath of fresh air and exactly what we needs for now. I understand fans want to see exciting football, we can talk tactics all day, heck we can even bring in nagelsman to play like Red Bull. But that not likely will not result in landing silverware if our mentality shat.. We been through that football in 2016 under Poch and perhaps 2013.

Give Jose time. Winning mentality cannot be instill n a summer.

 

[walworthyid]

Clearly i think it was a mistake and even so why hire a manager that plays the polar opposite of how the team functions best he could easily of get someone with a similiar style to poch or be more updated on tactics and style as i get the feeling mourinho can repeat things until hes blue in the face but the players aint taking it on board its so clear to see.

This is spot on. Mourinho doesn't even have tactics. I've never seen a team so strangled by a manager. It honestly breaks my heart to see our team playing like this. I know we weren't great towards the end under poch but we still had something about us at times. Jose has literally reduced us to nothing in less than a year.

I want him to leave and I am wondering whether I can actually watch us play anymore.

I just cannot take it for much longer.

 

[walworthyid]

Been supporting this club for decades.

Besides the usual missing silverware, what i always felt missing crucially is a winning mentality. That separates us from the rest of the big teams for decades.

What Mourinho brings in is a breath of fresh air and exactly what we needs for now. I understand fans want to see exciting football, we can talk tactics all day, heck we can even bring in nagelsman to play like Red Bull. But that not likely will not result in landing silverware if our mentality shat.. We been through that football in 2016 under Poch and perhaps 2013.

Give Jose time. Winning mentality cannot be instill n a summer.

So you'd put up with this in order to win a trophy?

Not me. No way.

 

[Wizzy77]

So you'd put up with this in order to win a trophy?

Not me. No way.

Yes. I would.

 

[The Opinionated Lurker]

Still have to laugh at those who think that the players suddenly got shit when Jose turned up, he inherited a squad mostly in decline for the last few years now.

 

[walworthyid]

Still have to laugh at those who think that the players suddenly got shit when Jose turned up, he inherited a squad mostly in decline for the last few years now.

Thats not the argument. Im telling you right now that if Bielsa for example was managing that team they wouldn't have played like they did yesterday!

Its the way we are playing that is the problem. We are consistently playing appallingly poor football. No press, no possession, no creativity, no attacking plan, no passion etc etc etc

The manager has a huge influence on the team. Jose's influence is clear for all to see.

He needs to go.

 

[AllReb]

He wasnt great but His very first touch and pass was more attacking and positive than anything PEH, winks and sissoko managed in all their minutes on the pitch
And no he didn't look totally out of shape

Exaggerate much?

You’re happy with him and his performance then?

Money well spent in your opinion?

 

[AllReb]

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“What stood out for me was N’Dombelly standing around not chasing anything despite only just coming on and worse not looking as though he wanted the ball at all when it was passed to him
He just looked up played a simple pass to get rid of it without even trying to create something
Also he looked totally out of shape

Get rid asap”

But but but

He’s Dembele’s replacement
?

 

[AllReb]

I've been a big critic but I disagree with that.

Firstly, I noticed he was more animated on the bench.

Secondly, when he came on he sprinted on, he was showing desire to come on and change the game.

Thirdly, he immediately pressed and pushed into one of their players who was receiving from defence.

Lastly, he was trying to get on the ball and make something happen.

Obviously his fitness is still an issue but hes coming into a game where there's a lot of bad play going on around him.

It's imperative we bring him up to speed and get Lo Celso back.

The only speed he’s interested in is his Deliveroo driver’s!!

 

[The Opinionated Lurker]

Thats not the argument. Im telling you right now that if Bielsa for example was managing that team they wouldn't have played like they did yesterday!

Its the way we are playing that is the problem. We are consistently playing appallingly poor football. No press, no possession, no creativity, no attacking plan, no passion etc etc etc

The manager has a huge influence on the team. Jose's influence is clear for all to see.

He needs to go.

Maybe, just maybe, the players might not be up to standard? We fucked ourselves the moment we allowed squad depth players to be starters like Sissoko, Winks, Davies, Lucas too if I’m being brutally honest. Could even add Trippier to that list before he left. That coupled with a few other players plateauing and we have what we have here. An average side. Bring someone else in and after the new manager bounce wears off it’d be more of the same.

 

[makeveli]

Let’s blame Jose great , even if god came in this team is shit , players don’t care we need investemnt

 

[THFC_is_my_life]

Don't know where else to put this, but sure as hell don't want to spam the ITK thread, so...



Very little of that is accurate - we didn't go a season with 1 LB and 1 RB; we started with 2 (Rose/Davies and Aurier/KWP) not including the players MP thought were also capable of that area (JV/JF), and then it wasn't until January that we let one of each go on loan because, seemingly, they weren't wanted. Ain't a thing about that which is relevant to anyone but the manager's preference. I don't believe he wanted to replace them either.

"No defensive midfielder" - again, depends on tactics, but Winks, Sissoko, Skipp, Dier, Wanyama - all of them were (even if not exclusively) that role under Poch. Gedson is and he came in in January.

"half a season with no creative no. 10" - Seems oddly specific, but it was always pretty much accepted that Gio was the Eriksen replacement. The lack of overlap seems to make it sound like he wasn't replaced, but rather Bergwijn replaced him under a different area of need. What's Ndombele if he isn't a DM or Number 10 anyway? I know they are very specific roles, but it seems like a thin argument to be that specific when ignoring all the guys we have and brought in.

As per "1 striker", it's been mentioned many times before, but Poch only really ever used Kane/Son for that role - he ignored Llorente for the most part, even infuriatingly when Kane was out and Son needed a break. The winter window was a time we should have replaced him, but I get that there was bugger all of value to be found and we spent a lot on GLC/Ndombele/Bergwijn etc.

I wanted to elaborate on that because it seems to be brought up a lot for people's reasons to be annoyed, but there's a lot about it that's accurate and it comes across as an excuse to be annoyed.

While I think you have put your point factually and eloquently, I think the reason that people are (imo rightly) annoyed here is that, of all the players listed, none are really good enough/ we are constantly using players as stop gaps year after year.

Case(s) in point:
- Rose/Davies: Lets be honest, both are average full backs. Davies can do a job, but is very limited going forward and not really what you want your ‘modern’ fullback to be. He can’t run in behind, and that is a problem as we have to continuously focus attacks down the right hand side which is predictable if nothing else. As for Rose, as good as he once was, he is injury prone and cost us many a goal when he played last season. Get rid.
- JV/JF: Both aren’t natural fullbacks, and while I did like Jan at LWB at times (Dortmund), there were other times where he got horrifically exposed playing there (Wolves). Foyth still seems very green to me, and I think somehow has more penalties in him than Aurier.
- Defensive midfielders: Winks isn’t combative enough to break play and control a midfield, Sissoko is a fantastic athlete but unfortunately a terrible footballer (always a problem), Skipp has amazing potential but you could argue isn’t yet ready for the PL, Dier wants to be played at CB and isn’t mobile enough at CM, and Wanyama was unfortunately a shadow of himself after all of those injuries. Add all of those things together, and you don’t actually have much quality in depth.
- Number 10: Gio can, from what we’ve seen at Betis, play at 10 and be a goal threat. That said, I’m sure we can all agree Bruno Fernandes was a better “like for like” replacement (although I do like and rate GLC). I’d like to see him played further forward if possible, as we need something (anything) different in the final third. Ndombele, while we can certainly use him as a stop gap at #10, wasn’t signed as one IMO. He was signed as a linking player between midfield and attack, so a #8.
- Replacement Striker: I’m sure we can all agree here, that Son and Moura aren’t natural STs. While Sonny can do a very decent job there (Lucas less so), we then lose his threat from the wing, where he’s more effective.

At the end of the day, we are all emotive after yesterday’s loss and we all want the best for Spurs. Some people express frustration differently to others, but I don’t personally think a lot of those players we’ve mentioned above (Sissoko, Dier, Lucas) would start for many other Top 6 teams. Just my 10 cents - but I do think people are entitled to be upset at the aforementioned points (particularly when you consider the deterioration of our first XI over the last couple of years).

 

[sausage]

Thats not the argument. Im telling you right now that if Bielsa for example was managing that team they wouldn't have played like they did yesterday!

They would, they he'd have got in a mood and quit.

Let's see how PL Bielsa does. People seem to be lauding him up on the basis of getting promoted. Bilic managed it with less.