Jose Mourinho

[kendoddsdadsdogsdead]

But we can’t swap clubs. They all can. I’m not talking long term patience either though am I, I’m talking about patience with the team just because they lost two games in a row. Two games ffs!

not saying it’s right that’s just the way it is in football. What is the required amount of patience? I have a feeling it’s not just about losing two games. Probably been bubbling away since some of the performances last season.

 

[John48]

If I have issue with Jose other than performances it would be with his treatment of Dele. I could understand his attitude with him at the start of the season, but recently I think we've shot ourselves in the foot with his treatment. Sun was a classic because with 9 subs he should have been there to bring on when Lo Celso got injured & the fact that he wasn't was a contributing factor to our loss because he would have been a far better option to bring on than Moura.

 

[mumfordspur]

Just got round to watching the Leicester match in full, and for me at half time being 0-1 down the obvious substitution would have been one of the defensive midfielders off (Hojberg or Sissoko) move Gio in the middle with Tanguy and control the game. Leicester could have easily been got at and really weren't offering much. Instead Jose taking off one of his easy targets then Lo Celso getting injured completely messed things up.

And then to compound the situation Jose brings on Lucas?? How can you get any kind of foothold in a game with just Hojberg and Sissoko in midfield? You can't. So what you end up with is Toby, Hugo or Dier booting up field and hoping for second balls. Shocking stuff. We had no clue how to attack Leicester.

I want to see us playing some attacking football, we're sliding down the league anyway and I don't want to watch us play in this way. We have the players to play more expansive. Jose needs to be brave or he'll just undo a lot of the good work that he has done this far.

You just suggested taking Hojbjerg off & leaving Sissoko on?

 

[kendoddsdadsdogsdead]

My comment wasn't aimed at the discussion you and I were having. It was just a general comment on the post I was responding to about the state of modern fans on the internet.

I appreciate that and likewise.

 

[DEFchenkOE]

You just suggested taking Hojbjerg off & leaving Sissoko on?

No I said either Hojberg OR Sissoko. The point being to keep Lo Celso and Ndombele on. My preference would always be Sissoko off.

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

If I have issue with Jose other than performances it would be with his treatment of Dele. I could understand his attitude with him at the start of the season, but recently I think we've shot ourselves in the foot with his treatment. Sun was a classic because with 9 subs he should have been there to bring on when Lo Celso got injured & the fact that he wasn't was a contributing factor to our loss because he would have been a far better option to bring on than Moura.

But if he doesn't get into a squad of 20 players, surely something's more serious has been going on?

 

[Metalhead]

People don't have the patience for that I'm afraid.

You think?

 

[Phil-spur99]

All I would say about Jose is that at the moment I much prefer watching Arsenal, it’s far more enjoyable!

 

[Spartan Spurs]

Jose & Bielsa both have Plan A & seemingly only Plan A thus far.
But their respective plans are at opposite ends of the spectrum. Both plans have their merits but are also quite flawed.

If I had to choose one over the other, I'd much rather watch us take a Bielsa approach & have a relentless go (at least at the 16 lesser sides out of the other 19) rather than sitting back inside our 18 trying to create a turnover. ATM, Bielsa is so much closer to the DNA of this club than Jose. FWIW, there's far more quality in our side than in Leeds'.

In Jose's defense, he knows how to win. He plays the percentages. I believe that he is trying to establish a resolve & a winning mentality within the side first. Hopefully he would then integrate Plan's B & C. We saw glimpses of them earlier where he's released the shackles off players. Unfortunately, it was a false dawn as it was extinguished with the capitulation vs Wham. He's reverted to his original OM & we haven't come out of it since.

Defending inside our 18 leaves us with hearts in our mouths as soon as the opposition breaches the box. We are a simply a foul, hand ball or a quality shot away from disaster.

Furthermore, the onus is greatly on us to convert a very high percentage of the few chances we will generate at the other end.

These are the even finer margins that we are playing within.

 

[TheVoiceofReason]

Bielsa is so much closer to the DNA of this club than Jose.

Isn’t this exactly the problem?

Why don’t we all just pipe down for a few weeks and see if Jose has it in him to get us back in form. It was all looking pretty good until a matter of days ago.

 

[Shadydan]

lol Bielsa and Poch have won the square root of f all between them so I guess he's right ?

 

[kythg]

We also have an ageing squad and Jose was brought in to maximise that, not to rebuild. It was to build around Kane and win something with him rather than incorporate the youthful, pacey and aggressive players Bielsa's teams need. Otherwise we would have just stuck with Poch and rebuilt.

 

[dudu]

Jose & Bielsa both have Plan A & seemingly only Plan A thus far.
But their respective plans are at opposite ends of the spectrum. Both plans have their merits but are also quite flawed.

If I had to choose one over the other, I'd much rather watch us take a Bielsa approach & have a relentless go (at least at the 16 lesser sides out of the other 19) rather than sitting back inside our 18 trying to create a turnover. ATM, Bielsa is so much closer to the DNA of this club than Jose. FWIW, there's far more quality in our side than in Leeds'.

In Jose's defense, he knows how to win. He plays the percentages. I believe that he is trying to establish a resolve & a winning mentality within the side first. Hopefully he would then integrate Plan's B & C. We saw glimpses of them earlier where he's released the shackles off players. Unfortunately, it was a false dawn as it was extinguished with the capitulation vs Wham. He's reverted to his original OM & we haven't come out of it since.

Defending inside our 18 leaves us with hearts in our mouths as soon as the opposition breaches the box. We are a simply a foul, hand ball or a quality shot away from disaster.

Furthermore, the onus is greatly on us to convert a very high percentage of the few chances we will generate at the other end.

These are the even finer margins that we are playing within.

But we could always be needing a plan B as teams would just sit back and soak up our pressure, just like they did under Poch. No one sits back and does that to Leeds really.

 

[AnotherSpursFan]

6-0 win for the special one tonight and some of us get our lives back on track.

 

[Metalhead]

Just keeping this thread warm in case we lose.

 

[Who’s our next manager?]

How long will it take to get Bale fit?
It’s dragging on a bit.
Hope he’s just not using us with a view to performing for Wales at the Euros.
That would make it...Wales...Golf...Spurs

Wtf.....think about it for a moment

 

[riggi]

Winning when it matters. Lovely jubbly.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

The Jose effect coming into full force in the draws so far. Never known us to ever ever get a vaguely favourable draw as we’ve had in the carabao cup this year

 

[double0]

I couldn't understand Jose comment about Dele conceding possession leading to Stoke equalising. Having looked back at Stoke's goal I don't get it.

 

[glacierSpurs]

Wanted to post this in Vinicius thread, but I think the overall scope will be down to Mourinho regardless.

Vinicius is not even here for half the season and narratives are being spouted that Mourinho doesn't rate him or Mourinho is gonna run Kane to ground for not playing him blah blah blah. Is it even a norm that players who arrived from foreign league with no good command of the language is gonna make it big in the first season? Or has Mourinho removed his name from the eligible list of players to play for the league and cups to suggest he is banishing him?

And then the Dele incident. Mourinho may not be right, but he's not wrong either. His post-match comment had been amplified and sensationalised so much even by some of the well known Spurs blogs and outlets I think they are really embarrassing - it just doesn't bode well with our current positive plight of reaching the semi-final of the Carabao Cup, and the possibility of still fighting for some glory in the league, FA Cup and Europa with another 2/3 to half of the season to play.

We always wanted the club and manager to exhibit the traits of winners, yet the fan base, TBH, is probably the worse culprit in not practising what we preached.

For someone who doesn't watch football, he may have thought we are in Arsenal's position - struggling in the league, ostracising a mega-earner, exited the Carabao Cup and having a manager everyone wanted to sack but have to be thick-skinned enough to publicly support. It's that bad and shameful.

The failing at Leicester, criticism of Dele and not playing Vinicius, which all of these by no means are the worse things to have happened to us, has really brought out the worse of the fans at the moment. Anti-Mourinho army assembling.. We might as well end the rest of the player threads, because everything is down to the failings of Mourinho.