Jose Mourinho

[Deleted member 27995]

I think I would prefer someone continental. Given the scenes at Marseille lately (https://www.midilibre.fr/2021/01/31...upporters-au-centre-dentrainement-9344274.php) perhaps we could give their manager a go.

Yes, maybe our fans should try that.

 

[hellava_tough]

But this had happened before, actually not that long ago with this same group of players. Don’t you see a trend developing here. Do we actually have the money to keep on paying off managers that will ultimately be in the same situation again next year because he had pissed off some popular players for whatever reasons.

Ultimately, yeah, we do have the money to pay off managers; we don't have the money to bring in 5 or 6 players whenever we like.

I totally get where you're coming from though. At some point, a Tottenham squad needs to stand up and be counted; to put an end to decades of crappy mentality and go out and win a league title or a CL.

 

[Strikeb4ck]

Jose's big problem is that the era he could peak in has come and passed. Nobody tries to play the Barca way anymore. Not even Barca. There is no emphasis on possession being an all-important stat like there was back in 2010. His teams were made for that time period. That's why he was so successful back then, because he was able to expose a system everyone tried to play and only a couple teams could play effectively.

It's increasingly clear that as the game shifted to counterpressing, rapid transitions, overlapping CBs, etc (all the stuff you want to compile across the last 10 years) he was unable to adapt and change and got left in the dust. That's where we are at now. He gets elite clubs because of his history and so he'll never have a "terrible" season which is why he can point to still winning a Europa League at United, for instance - that's more down to quality of squad. The tactics aren't totally ineffective, especially because having better players can often act as a balancing piece to the puzzle.

But the game and modern coaching has left him in the dust. When he joined I held out hope that his time off would have made him reinvent some things. He certainly spoke that way. But nothing has changed. Defend, try to counterattack, slowly lose the dressing room by singling out individuals, isolate the fans by playing boring dross...until it all collapses spectacularly.

 

[LeParisien]

Yes, maybe our fans should try that.

We all know that ends well in Tottenham

 

[Deleted member 27995]

We all know that ends well in Tottenham

Not great. AVB might get this team playing some decent possession football though?!

 

[Goobers]

Serious question - Can Daniel afford to sack the manager considering everything that is happening in the world ?

 

[stormfly]

I can’t believe we employed one of the most successful managers in history and we might be the only team he hasn’t won anything with. This is so us! Maybe the managers haven’t been the problem after all? I think our next manager should be Souness, I was really impressed with his fantastic insight and modern day views on players last night. Really seems to know how to get the best out of this team. Maybe he’ll take Jamie as assistant?

 

[shelfboy68]

I can’t believe we employed one of the most successful managers in history and we might be the only team he hasn’t won anything with. This is so us! Maybe the managers haven’t been the problem after all? I think our next manager should be Souness, I was really impressed with his fantastic insight and modern day views on players. Really seems to know how to get the best out of this team. Maybe he’ll take Jamie as assistant?

He is joining a long line of managers who fail to win anything at spurs.

 

[nico97531]

Ultimately, yeah, we do have the money to pay off managers; we don't have the money to bring in 5 or 6 players whenever we like.

I totally get where you're coming from though. At some point, a Tottenham squad needs to stand up and be counted; to put an end to decades of crappy mentality and go out and win a league title or a CL.

I hope you’re right and we actually get to see that instead of stuck in a never ending cycle of rebuilding as the manager was always sacked before he gets to complete the process.

 

[Seafordian Spurs]

.... Spencer

From The Saturdays.

 

[TEESSIDE1]

Serious question - Can Daniel afford to sack the manager considering everything that is happening in the world ?

Since Poch got the PSG job we’re no longer paying his wages but Jose’s wages are astronomical so no we may not be able to sack him without a significant cost to the club.

 

[Mr Pink]

Personally think its about time this group of players took some fucking responsibility.

 

[nico97531]

If Kane was not involved in the player revolt then I think he may well be looking for a way out in the summer. I mean why would he want to waste the last couple of years in his prime staying here as he is definitely not going to win anything playing with these lot where they are only good at getting the managers sacked.

 

[Gb160]

Southgate has been mentioned in the next manager thread.
It's really hard not to insult people in there.

Quick update:
Harry Potter from Brighton is now seriously being discussed in that thread.

Harry fucking Potter.

 

[SpursSince1980]

Can we please stop with this whole 'the game has passed him by' bullshit. You give him far too much credit by thinking that he somehow no longer understands how football works. This is such a weird argument to make.

Just in the same way, it is hard to stomach this notion that he somehow doesn't understand modern players. FFS, the 'modern game' and 'modern players' have been around for 20 years. He understands egos. He knows how to work with them. What he doesn't understand, is how to tempt some of our pussy-ass players to actually give a shit. In that sense... yes, he has seemingly failed.

There are a lot of managers out there that play a somewhat similar to style of Jose and have been very successful. I'd argue that Simone at Athetico is one such manager. Can say the same about Conte and a few others.

The general conceit, is that you optimize your game plan for striking quickly and efficiently, while abstaining some degree of possession. In other words, he wants the team to attack purposefully, rather than playing the ball backwards, sideways and slowly.

The truth is, we don't have the players to execute this plan consistently. By-and-large, our center backs are average. Our RBs are very hit and miss. Reg is our best fullback. Davies is okay, but as we saw against Brighton, prone to mistakes.

We also do not have the right balance in midfield. As it gets overrun nearly every game. Winks, Sissoko, are not very good players. Certainly not at the level needed to compete for a league title or even the top 4. We fucked up royally when we whiffed on Grealish and Bruno. As Lo Celso should be the answer, but he can't stay fit.

We have attacking midfielders that cannot operate in tight spaces, as nearly all of them struggle with close ball control and making quick decisions. Nor are they disciplined with and without the ball. And none of them seem all that bothered.

Maybe Jose overestimated the impact he could have on the players. Felt like he could mold them into a system that has worked well for him over the years. I mean, it was just three seasons ago he finished 2nd in the league with a shit UTD team and won two trophies.

Yes, the football has been awful at times. But do not come back at me with a selective memory... as it was just as turgid and ugly during most of Poch's last season. Hence, why I feel the issues aren't as superficial as needing a new manager. The squad needs a massive overhaul. And let's not just look past Daniel. He also bears responsibility for us permanently being the bridesmaid and never the bride.

Unfortunately the season, the players have won this battle of 'who knows best'. They have been unable to carry out Jose's tactics. And sure, if it makes you feel better to blame this dismal team on the manager, I totally understand. But I sorta struggled with understanding how a manager is directly responsible for players who constantly make childish mistakes, switch off, hide, not communicate, barely run, lose every 50/50 challenge, feel sorry for themselves, and walk around like they're in a haze. And then having a good 'ol laugh about it afterwards.

You can count on one hand how many players we have that are willing to run through walls in order to win. The rest assume the fetal position any time the going gets rough. Yet -- so many are willing to just look past this and have decided that their inability to play without making reckless decisions and colossal mistakes is due to the will of one man, who apparently is coaching them to play like complete morons.

Look, I get many just loathe the guy and wanted him gone as soon as he joined. I wanted him to succeed. 'Cos if he succeeds, the team wins. Simple as that. And I want to see us winning shit. Now, you will get your wish, and I'm sure he isn't long for the Spurs world. And I really hope you're all right, that it will only take a young footballing genius like Naglessmann to whip these same players into hungry, determined, disciplined, skillful, footballing titans. I pray that's the case. I pray you are right.

But here's the rub... it means another year or two of rebuilding. Which is okay, I guess, if it works out. Yet, that's not really the worst part. No... that'll happen this summer when Kane, Sonny and a few others request to leave... regardless of whomever takes charge. That's will be the consequences of jettisoning the one manager those guys have some belief in. It's bit Pollyanna-ish to think hiring a young, footballing progressive -- charged with a rebuilding project -- means that our best players - who are in the prime years - will stick around. They won't.

Would love to be wrong on that last point. But if you were Harry, and we sack Jose, win fuck all (again) this year, and it appears like we are starting from scratch with a manager who has lots of potential... what would you do?

 

[Dr Benson]

Did we really try to play defensively counter attacking football yesterday against Brighton? What I saw was at best a kind of weird hybrid with a defensively oriented line up which tried to press, but not to hard and not too much. Didn’t understand it. Seems like Jose doesn’t know what to do. The counter attacking football did work for a while some months before Christmas, but when it doesn’t he obviously has no smart tools in his box..

 

[JCRD]

At the moment I’d be happy with 4 passes...

Like, four passes in a row? or in a game?

 

[Gareth88]

Did we really try to play defensively counter attacking football yesterday against Brighton? What I saw was at best a kind of weird hybrid with a defensively oriented line up which tried to press, but not to hard and not too much. Didn’t understand it. Seems like Jose doesn’t know what to do. The counter attacking football did work for a while some months before Christmas, but when it doesn’t he obviously has no smart tools in his box..

What I saw was give the ball to Ndombele and try have him make something happen.

 

[Gb160]

Can we please stop with this whole 'the game has passed him by' bullshit. You give him far too much credit by thinking that he somehow no longer understands how football works. This is such a weird argument to make.

Just in the same way, it is hard to stomach this notion that he somehow doesn't understand modern players. FFS, the 'modern game' and 'modern players' have been around for 20 years. He understands egos. He knows how to work with them. What he doesn't understand, is how to tempt some of our pussy-ass players to actually give a shit. In that sense... yes, he has seemingly failed.

There are a lot of managers out there that play a somewhat similar to style of Jose and have been very successful. I'd argue that Simone at Athetico is one such manager. Can say the same about Conte and a few others.

The general conceit, is that you optimize your game plan for striking quickly and efficiently, while abstaining some degree of possession. In other words, he wants the team to attack purposefully, rather than playing the ball backwards, sideways and slowly.

The truth is, we don't have the players to execute this plan consistently. By-and-large, our center backs are average. Our RBs are very hit and miss. Reg is our best fullback. Davies is okay, but as we saw against Brighton, prone to mistakes.

We also do not have the right balance in midfield. As it gets overrun nearly every game. Winks, Sissoko, are not very good players. Certainly not at the level needed to compete for a league title or even the top 4. We fucked up royally when we whiffed on Grealish and Bruno. As Lo Celso should be the answer, but he can't stay fit.

We have attacking midfielders that cannot operate in tight spaces, as nearly all of them struggle with close ball control and making quick decisions. Nor are they disciplined with and without the ball. And none of them seem all that bothered.

Maybe Jose overestimated the impact he could have on the players. Felt like he could mold them into a system that has worked well for him over the years. I mean, it was just three seasons ago he finished 2nd in the league with a shit UTD team and won two trophies.

Yes, the football has been awful at times. But do not come back at me with a selective memory... as it was just as turgid and ugly during most of Poch's last season. Hence, why I feel the issues aren't as superficial as needing a new manager. The squad needs a massive overhaul. And let's not just look past Daniel. He also bears responsibility for us permanently being the bridesmaid and never the bride.

Unfortunately the season, the players have won this battle of 'who knows best'. They have been unable to carry out Jose's tactics. And sure, if it makes you feel better to blame this dismal team on the manager, I totally understand. But I sorta struggled with understanding how a manager is directly responsible for players who constantly make childish mistakes, switch off, hide, not communicate, barely run, lose every 50/50 challenge, feel sorry for themselves, and walk around like they're in a haze. And then having a good 'ol laugh about it afterwards.

You can count on one hand how many players we have that are willing to run through walls in order to win. The rest assume the fetal position any time the going gets rough. Yet -- so many are willing to just look past this and have decided that their inability to play without making reckless decisions and colossal mistakes is due to the will of one man, who apparently is coaching them to play like complete morons.

Look, I get many just loathe the guy and wanted him gone as soon as he joined. I wanted him to succeed. 'Cos if he succeeds, the team wins. Simple as that. And I want to see us winning shit. Now, you will get your wish, and I'm sure he isn't long for the Spurs world. And I really hope you're all right, that it will only take a young footballing genius like Naglessmann to whip these same players into hungry, determined, disciplined, skillful, footballing titans. I pray that's the case. I pray you are right.

But here's the rub... it means another year or two of rebuilding. Which is okay, I guess, if it works out. Yet, that's not really the worst part. No... that'll happen this summer when Kane, Sonny and a few others request to leave... regardless of whomever takes charge. That's will be the consequences of jettisoning the one manager those guys have some belief in. It's bit Pollyanna-ish to think hiring a young, footballing progressive -- charged with a rebuilding project -- means that our best players - who are in the prime years - will stick around. They won't.

Would love to be wrong on that last point. But if you were Harry, and we sack Jose, win fuck all (again) this year, and it appears like we are starting from scratch with a manager who has lots of potential... what would you do?

This guy gets it.

 

[Dr Benson]

Levy knows how to use his calculator. My guessing is that he’s looking at the numbers and how much sacking Mourinho soon will cost compared to what no CL next season will cost.