Jose Mourinho

[funkycoldmedina]

You could argue with the resources he has available in Italy he should be producing a team that is challenging for the league not languishing in 6th. He's almost become a Sam Allardyce of lesser cup competitions, he can get you over the line in one off games but doesn't build anything exciting any more.
I think he's great, but his best years are gone

 

[ralvy]

You could have Inter, Roma and Fiorentina winning all 3 European competitions this season. Impressive if they can pull it off.

Napoli will be feeling quite sore if that happens.

 

[ralvy]

You could argue with the resources he has available in Italy he should be producing a team that is challenging for the league not languishing in 6th. He's almost become a Sam Allardyce of lesser cup competitions, he can get you over the line in one off games but doesn't build anything exciting any more.
I think he's great, but his best years are gone

Not with all the injuries he has been dealing with over the season.

 

[funkycoldmedina]

Not with all the injuries he has been dealing with over the season.

That's a good few clubs he's failed to build anything exciting and challenging at now though. The evidence is there

 

[TOLBINY]

That's a good few clubs he's failed to build anything exciting and challenging at now though. The evidence is there

Hardly surprising it takes us an eternity to appoint a new coach - half our fan base judge managers on 'exciting and challenging' and the other half on trophies.

 

[ralvy]

That's a good few clubs he's failed to build anything exciting and challenging at now though. The evidence is there

He was the last coach to win anything with United, he pulled Roma out from a trophy drought which lasted over a decade and he won the PL the last time he was at Chelsea. He even was able to get us to the top of the table for a couple of weeks. So no, I don't agree with you.

 

[funkycoldmedina]

He was the last coach to win anything with United, he pulled Roma out from a trophy drought which lasted over a decade and he won the PL the last time he was at Chelsea. He even was able to get us to the top of the table for a couple of weeks. So no, I don't agree with you.

Didn't expect you to

 

[jimbo]

Ah yes - I could've placed a bet this point would've been raised this morning .

We could've had prime Alex Ferguson and Fabio capello in the dugout, with saltbae cutting the half time oranges, and we would've been overmatched in that game.

I'm pleased for Jose he's doing well at Roma, but it doesn't change that he had come to the end of his cycle at spurs weeks before that final.

I don't think it's the decision to sack him that is a cause of some bafflement, it's the timing of it - we could have sacked him a month earlier if it was about the football or the squad, or we could have waited a few days until after the final. It was very odd timing.

It's not really about a sense of certainty that Jose would have won that final either, at least for me, it's more the message it sends. If you wanted to tell the world you're not really interested in winning trophies then that was a good way to do it - sack a manager with a wealth of cup final experience for a rookie who's never managed a game.

Maybe I'm a bit old fashioned but I kind of think that if a manager gets you to a final (provided they're not also taking you to the brink of relegation) they ought to get the chance to manage in that final. I can't imagine there have been too many managers sacked before finals elsewhere in football history.

We'll probably never know what really happened behind the scenes to prompt it, but it's hard to envisage a scenario in which waiting a few days would have been a catastrophe - even more so given that we ended up with Nuno as his ultimate replacement amidst all the noise about Kane wanting a move away due to our lack of ambition.

 

[-Afri-Coy-]

You could argue with the resources he has available in Italy he should be producing a team that is challenging for the league not languishing in 6th. He's almost become a Sam Allardyce of lesser cup competitions, he can get you over the line in one off games but doesn't build anything exciting any more.
I think he's great, but his best years are gone

What resources?

They spent around 9 million Euros this season whilst getting 60+ back in sales.

last season they spent 120 million but half of that was spent on Abrahams and Kumbulla. So they've basically spent on two players and the rest balances itself out.

Those arrivals are now worth 210 million in total too so they've actually made profit in that regard.

That's not exactly competing with the teams above them, and as a whole Italian football has taken a huge knock since covid.

Likening him to Sam Allardyce is a bit disrespectful too, seems as he's the most decorated coach still managing today.

 

[pablo73]

He was the last coach to win anything with United, he pulled Roma out from a trophy drought which lasted over a decade and he won the PL the last time he was at Chelsea. He even was able to get us to the top of the table for a couple of weeks. So no, I don't agree with you.

Apart from the current Utd coach obvs

 

[dontcallme]

That's a good few clubs he's failed to build anything exciting and challenging at now though. The evidence is there

I guess his days of building something are gone. But his record of delivering trophies is excellent.

I guess it depends on how you view it and if you’re willing to put up with the eventual stagnation.

 

[Marty]

I don't think it's the decision to sack him that is a cause of some bafflement, it's the timing of it - we could have sacked him a month earlier if it was about the football or the squad, or we could have waited a few days until after the final. It was very odd timing.

It's not really about a sense of certainty that Jose would have won that final either, at least for me, it's more the message it sends. If you wanted to tell the world you're not really interested in winning trophies then that was a good way to do it - sack a manager with a wealth of cup final experience for a rookie who's never managed a game.

Maybe I'm a bit old fashioned but I kind of think that if a manager gets you to a final (provided they're not also taking you to the brink of relegation) they ought to get the chance to manage in that final. I can't imagine there have been too many managers sacked before finals elsewhere in football history.

We'll probably never know what really happened behind the scenes to prompt it, but it's hard to envisage a scenario in which waiting a few days would have been a catastrophe - even more so given that we ended up with Nuno as his ultimate replacement amidst all the noise about Kane wanting a move away due to our lack of ambition.

Totally agree. I always thought it was a mistake to not dismiss him the morning after the Zagreb debacle, but to then sack him that week of the cup final instead of just sticking to the end of the season just made everything feel even more bizarre.

 

[jimbo]

Totally agree. I always thought it was a mistake to not dismiss him the morning after the Zagreb debacle, but to then sack him that week of the cup final instead of just sticking to the end of the season just made everything feel even more bizarre.

100% - post-Zagreb was the moment, I think even this forum was in pretty broad agreement on that, which is a rare thing.

I can only guess that something significant happened and he had to go before season's end, but even then it's hard to see why having waited that long you wouldn't wait a few more days at least.

Rumours that it was because Jose wanted to rest players in the league to prioritise the final, or because the club wanted to deflect attention from the super league debacle become easier to believe in the absence of the truth (if the truth isn't one of those things).

 

[isaac94]

You could argue with the resources he has available in Italy he should be producing a team that is challenging for the league not languishing in 6th. He's almost become a Sam Allardyce of lesser cup competitions, he can get you over the line in one off games but doesn't build anything exciting any more.
I think he's great, but his best years are gone

i disagree, football is about winning trophies, and his doing that, roma haven't won much in years, and on the brink of a second successive European trophy, and they weren't even favourites for this one, I don't recall sam Allardyce ever winning even lesser cup competitions?

 

[isaac94]

Ah yes - I could've placed a bet this point would've been raised this morning .

We could've had prime Alex Ferguson and Fabio capello in the dugout, with saltbae cutting the half time oranges, and we would've been overmatched in that game.

I'm pleased for Jose he's doing well at Roma, but it doesn't change that he had come to the end of his cycle at spurs weeks before that final.

i mean he had already been man city (the opponent in the final) that season, and his cup record is the best out there, certainly much better chance than a novice in Mason

 

[isaac94]

I still don't get the rationale to sacking him the week before the final. There must have been some serious shit going on behind the scenes to make that decision

the madness of levy

 

[RuskyM]

What resources?

They spent around 9 million Euros this season whilst getting 60+ back in sales.

last season they spent 120 million but half of that was spent on Abrahams and Kumbulla. So they've basically spent on two players and the rest balances itself out.

Those arrivals are now worth 210 million in total too so they've actually made profit in that regard.

That's not exactly competing with the teams above them, and as a whole Italian football has taken a huge knock since covid.

Likening him to Sam Allardyce is a bit disrespectful too, seems as he's the most decorated coach still managing today.

Well yeah if you disregard the two biggest purchases of course it seems less. Let’s not ignore that Wijnaldum, Dybala, Patricio and Matic aren’t on peanuts either.

And he never would’ve beaten City. We’d just lost to a team with their manager in prison.

 

[Hakkz]

What resources?

They spent around 9 million Euros this season whilst getting 60+ back in sales.

last season they spent 120 million but half of that was spent on Abrahams and Kumbulla. So they've basically spent on two players and the rest balances itself out.

Those arrivals are now worth 210 million in total too so they've actually made profit in that regard.

That's not exactly competing with the teams above them, and as a whole Italian football has taken a huge knock since covid.

Likening him to Sam Allardyce is a bit disrespectful too, seems as he's the most decorated coach still managing today.

A bit disrespectful? It shows a total lack of knowledge.

 

[-Afri-Coy-]

Well yeah if you disregard the two biggest purchases of course it seems less. Let’s not ignore that Wijnaldum, Dybala, Patricio and Matic aren’t on peanuts either.

And he never would’ve beaten City. We’d just lost to a team with their manager in prison.

Even if those wages are quite significant, they are no worse than any of the team's above them and are probably still below the average for the top 5 in Serie A.

Saying he should be doing this good given the "resources" just isn't true. Net spend of around 60 million euros over two windows when we spent more on Richarlison alone.

You can't say he wouldn't have beaten City as a matter of fact, and he was DEFINITELY a better option than throwing Mason to the wolves.

If he wins EL, that's the second trophy he's won whilst we've continued our slippery slope downhill since his departure.

Anyone trying to detract from that is just being salty, and will probably be one of those fans who said he wouldn't win a thing after leaving us.

 

[riggi]

Proper fan - club connection at Roma.