Jose vs Conte - who did a better job for us?

[TOLBINY]

Conte has spoken "I decided we should part ways with Tottenham. Some had decided to settle for less."

Some of the owners, some of the players and, judging by comments on SC, some of the fans as well.

 

[lobob8]

Seeing as this has been bumped, for me it's Jose by a mile. Like him much more as a person, got us to a cup final, should have been given more time and backing. Conte sabotaged himself this past year and dragged everyone through the mud.

 

[talkshowhost86]

Conte has spoken "I decided we should part ways with Tottenham. Some had decided to settle for less."

Some of the owners, some of the players and, judging by comments on SC, some of the fans as well.

The fans hasn't settled for less at all

 

[mabolsa_ritchey]

Tough one. While I absolutely despised the football we served under both of them my current annoyance at Conte probably outweighs what I remember of the Mourinho time.
Rose tinted glasses and all that, but i remember Mourinho having an absolute shocking set of players to work with and even got a bit of a tune out of Ndombele. Neither one was backed with the players they actually wanted, but the players Conte got in are arguably better overall than Mourinho got. Yet we’ve come out of Contes reign into one of our most depressing periods since the 90s. Also Conte didn’t improve a single player. Actually now I’m really thinking about it I do think he’s an absolute charlatan.

 

[Tucker]

Conte got us CL football so in that regard it’s him isn’t it. But I do feel Jose got dealt a real bum hand. We lost all our strikers to injury early on in his time here for the first season. Then covid hit and screwed everything up. So it’s really hard to tell how he would have done here given a normal season or indeed a fit squad.

Bottom line though, they were both poor fits. And both played a huge part in their own downfall.

 

[rossdapep]

Jose did less. Maybe he promoted more youth but we had a 2 month decent spell under him without it meaning much.

Cant forget that Zagreb result.

The league cup final is a funny one.

Other than beating Lampards Chelsea on pens, we scraped past Stoke and Brentford. Got a bye first round as well.

Conte gave us a better run and achievement (4th). We looked a more complete unit under him for a period.

But Conte did more damage toward the end as he especially set fire to everything whereas Jose just kinda waited for his p45 whilst going out with a cup final win.

 

[Athenspur]

Conte gave us a very good season and champions league before it all went wrong. Mourinho sent us back to the middle ages.

 

[g_harry]

Have to laugh at our fans majority happy to turf Poch out the door. Now that majority crying why club didn't contact him before Chelsea. All Conte haters on about all boring football, not too many saying that when we smashed Arsenal at home to get pole position for fourth. Fickle bunch.

Always the managers fault at Spurs isn't it.

 

[mano-obe]

We were in blistering form with Jose at one point. I thought we may actually make a challenge for the league then he reverted to type and bring the shite defensive football to our team. Not to mention dicking around with Bale and setting us back more. I feel he could have done a lot better if he let us play

Conte was a big crybaby. Always threatening to quit if he didn't get his way. He was just like Jose in so many ways

Both were let downs, playing defensive football without the players to do it.

I've never minded losing with Spurs, it's part of the game. There is nothing worse than playing shite and losing. Losing and playing well doesn't irk me as much.

Jose could sit on a 1-0 lead for 89 minutes and still lose

Conte could be 1-0 down after 3 minutes then only decide to play in the 85th minute, equalize then lose.

 

[Frank Blank]

Tough one. While I absolutely despised the football we served under both of them my current annoyance at Conte probably outweighs what I remember of the Mourinho time.
Rose tinted glasses and all that, but i remember Mourinho having an absolute shocking set of players to work with and even got a bit of a tune out of Ndombele. Neither one was backed with the players they actually wanted, but the players Conte got in are arguably better overall than Mourinho got. Yet we’ve come out of Contes reign into one of our most depressing periods since the 90s. Also Conte didn’t improve a single player. Actually now I’m really thinking about it I do think he’s an absolute charlatan.

And therein lies the rub. I hated Conte's dull football, but bringing in Kulu and most certainly Bentancur, will leave a far longer legacy than 'The Chosen One' or whatever the fuck he refers to himself nowadays.

 

[Rout-Ledge]

We were in blistering form with Jose at one point. I thought we may actually make a challenge for the league then he reverted to type and bring the shite defensive football to our team.

I think you might be misremembering. We were never in blistering form under Jose. We had a couple of good weeks, I think, including the 1-6 against United which was easily his best moment for us. It unravelled in (from memory) the very next game against West Ham where we threw away a three goal lead. We had a couple of good park the bus wins against city and arsenal but that wasn’t really blistering form…

 

[freeeki]

Too hard to compare, for me.

I think things would have been different for Jose if it wasn't for covid, and for being sacked before a cup final.

In that regard I'd say he took us further than Conte did.

But their tenures aren't comparable.

 

[Timberwolf]

I think Conte's first season still easily trumps anything Jose did. People say Jose had a bad team, but the team Conte inherited was also pretty bad - the only real improvement in the first 11 he took over was Romero and he had to reshape the team mid-season and make it into a winning machine, with only 2 (very good) signings in Jan. I think the job he did in that 6-7 month period was actually pretty damn remarkable given how fucking terrible and disjointed we were under Nuno and Jose at the end of the previous season.

I also think Conte's 2nd season was worse than anything Jose did. Spent a ton of money on some decent, talented players and somehow managed to make the team worse with his rigid tactics, inability or unwillingness to adapt, his negative comments about the club...just shit all round.

 

[Styopa]

Have to laugh at our fans majority happy to turf Poch out the door. Now that majority crying why club didn't contact him before Chelsea. All Conte haters on about all boring football, not too many saying that when we smashed Arsenal at home to get pole position for fourth. Fickle bunch.

Always the managers fault at Spurs isn't it.

I'm not sure what your issue is here.

I think most sensible fans thought Pochettino did a great job at Spurs, but the project ran out of steam by the end. That's not uncommon, though. Very few managers last over a few years at a club. Pochettino was one of the longest-serving managers in the league by the time we sacked him.

I also think most people thought Conte did a good job in leading us to the fourth and don't dispute that we were in very good - even excellent- form during the last two or three months of the season. Particularly from the end of Feb 22 to the end of May 22. But the wheels quickly came off, and some of the football we played this year was atrocious. In the end, we seemed to get worse the longer he was in the job.

There's nothing fickle about any of that.

 

[Oscar22]

Personally I enjoyed things a bit more under Jose, I feel like he was more positive about the club, and for most of the time at least acted like he was interested in being here. He had a massive injury hit at one point and actually navigated that really well considering we weee missing our only real world class players.

We actually got to see some youth players, Tanganga got games, even Parrott popped up at one point but in the most part he would at least play these types of squad players. I thought it was harsh to boot him literally just before the cup final - I’d also be interested to see the result of the poll had he managed to ‘Jose’ us a win in that, him actually winning something and whether that trumps making fourth for some people.

I think Conte did well to get us fourth and we played some decent stuff in that run, however for me this is basically equal to the feeling of just how poor this season has been. This season the amount of games we set out with basically no will to win or to even try and attack is ridiculous. Under Jose we didn’t have anything pretty, and we didn’t have unique patterns of play, which leads to people say we relied solely on Kane and Son but to be honest, even doing that is at least a way to try and win a game even if it an not always pretty.

This season it’s felt like our tactics are defend, defend a bit more and then when we find we’re a few goals down let someone cross the half way line and we’ll see if we can salvage a draw. That home game Vs Milan did me to be honest, it was like we decided that we were happy to go out as long as we didn’t get beat by too many - I actually turned that game off in disgust near the end.

Bizarre to read the posts above where is beating United 6-1 away is due to them having a bad pre-season, and I think that’s where the “clearly bias” comment that was made in relation to those comments likely came from.

I don’t think either of them suit where we are as a club, and I wouldn’t have either of them back, I don’t think either are particularly nice in terms of personality but if I had to choose, I’d go for Jose, simply because Conte walking around telling everyone they’re shit, this is shit, that’s shit, and acting like we’re lucky he ever graced us with his presence, all whilst his turgid, boring, weak minded football stunk the place out was much harder to put up with for me personally.

Anyways, let’s hope Ange gives us some character and feel good back

 

[PLTuck]

Mourinho didn't talk the club down at every opportunity and got us to a cup final. Hands down better for the club as a whole than Conte.

Both were divisive characters who would allegedly stir up conflict in the dressing room to provide motivation and played horrible football so I never want to see either of them at the club again.

 

[Rout-Ledge]

Conte’s time here really made me grow to dislike him as a manager, in many respects. Utterly selfish and had absolutely no consideration for the club itself. Made a shitload of cash out of us though, and was on self-preservation overdrive for most of his time here. He couldn’t care less that he left us in turmoil. Bad egg.

He did an objectively better job here than Jose though, results wise.

 

[mattstev2000]

Conte has spoken "I decided we should part ways with Tottenham. Some had decided to settle for less."

Some of the owners, some of the players and, judging by comments on SC, some of the fans as well.

Massively under performs, produces boring football, get's knocked out of all the cups by opposition we should comfortably be beating even with our squad deficiencies, publicly denigrates everyone at the club except himself and then says he decided to part ways and some had decided to settle for less.

He seems to be in full on denial. There was plenty of blame to go around, himself very much included.

 

[Frank Blank]

I'm not sure what your issue is here.

I think most sensible fans thought Pochettino did a great job at Spurs, but the project ran out of steam by the end. That's not uncommon, though. Very few managers last over a few years at a club. Pochettino was one of the longest-serving managers in the league by the time we sacked him.

I also think most people thought Conte did a good job in leading us to the fourth and don't dispute that we were in very good - even excellent- form during the last two or three months of the season. Particularly from the end of Feb 22 to the end of May 22. But the wheels quickly came off, and some of the football we played this year was atrocious. In the end, we seemed to get worse the longer he was in the job.

There's nothing fickle about any of that.

Closer to the truth was that Dembele ran out of steam. His importance to the team at the time was not to be underestimated.

Yes, Poch deserves a lot of credit for what he did; but his job was made that much easier by having Dembele in the team.

 

[Wiener]

Both were completely wrong for us but I guess they were chosen because they had a good record of getting results.

I voted for Conte as I think he was doing a better job until the moment he lost interest, which I think was around the time of the World Cup. We were well on track for a top four finish until Conte pulled the rug from under us, and of course himself but strangely he managed to stay upright.

Both are graceless, petulant and, at times, remarkably unprofessional and I am glad we are rid of them.

Looking forward to Ange's no bullshit attacking approach to football, and probably everything else.