Juande Ramos biggest failure?

[ShayLaB]

Biggest failure was 3 wins between CC and being sacked.

The squad after the CC was still basically the team that Jol built and Harry instantly turned upped the results with the squad he inherited.

Couldn't speak the lingo, couldn't motivate the players and seemed all at sea. He may be strutting his stuff elsewhere but never so glad to see the back of a manager.

 

[roosh]

does Ramos not have an unbelievable record with Madrid? He's only lost something like 3 times, twice to Barca and once to valencia, one draw and the rest wins.

if he had done that at spurs he'd still be in a job

 

[Phantom]

does Ramos not have an unbelievable record with Madrid? He's only lost something like 3 times, twice to Barca and once to valencia, one draw and the rest wins.

if he had done that at spurs he'd still be in a job

If he had done that at spurs he is either fixing the games or sneaking an extra 3 players on to the pitch.

 

[NEVILLEB]

You really believe this?

I think he's bang on...

Jol and Ramos let Levy dictate transfer policy and both paid the price

Harry is smart enough to have arranged terms where he alone can chose who we sign. He doesn't care if he upsets Levy whereas Jol and Ramos kissed arse.

 

[bubble07]

working the players too hard in training pissed them all off so they deliberately underperformed in matches to get him sacked

Not speaking the language or seeming to not give a shit about learning the language was his biggest failure

 

[jurgen]

Not wanting to take this as a fight to the fanboys but even if Ramos had got Arshavin would it have solved the problems throughout the rest of the team? Nope... one player would have made us better but still not good, he's improved Arsenal but they were still very capable before his arrival - just slipping up a bit too often - plus he like Pav would have been weary after 18 months football rather than coming in against tired defenders after a big long rest as he did in January. The Ramos dream may have been missing its most important piece but there were still enough players to work with. Thinking we could completely change personnel and the way we play all over one summer was a grave mistake.

 

[Eric_s]

The way he lost from Barca and Liverpool is IMO a disaster. We are talking about Real Madrid, not Celta Vigo.

shut up if you have not been watching real for the last year. You are talking bullshite. :bs: :duh:

 

[SpurSince57]

That was Levy/Comolli

Their single biggest failure imo. Zenit said they wanted all the Keane money, loud and clear, and we bartered and fucked around. Now he's Arsenal's best player...brilliant.

Zenit seem to have said all manner of things, and there were stories (from Dan, I think) that Levy didn't want anything to do with a proposed bungfest on top of what Zenit were asking. No-one outside the club (and probably outside the inner circle) knows what really happened, so it's ridiculous to say it was all Levy and Comolli's fault.

 

[gibbs131]

He bent to player power. Very weak when it came to being the special one.

 

[SpurSince57]

I think he's bang on...

Jol and Ramos let Levy dictate transfer policy and both paid the price

Harry is smart enough to have arranged terms where he alone can chose who we sign. He doesn't care if he upsets Levy whereas Jol and Ramos kissed arse.

Rubbish.

 

[sunnydelight786]

Not getting all the players he wanted last summer i.e. L.Diarra, Arshavin, Veloso, Capel, Etoo (when Barca wanted shot of him), etc....

Also losing the dressing room it seem's thanx to F-wit Bentley......

 

[NickHSpurs]

Didn't he take Real on their best ever run before the loss to Barca?

Hardly a failure if you ask me.

 

[SpurSince57]

You think we had the slightest chance of getting Eto'o or Villa? Dream on. And if he or anyone else thought Sevilla were going to do any business with us they needed their heads examining. We got all our targets bar the DM and Arshavin.

 

[NEVILLEB]

Rubbish.

Crap

 

[SpurSince57]

So ignore the evidence—of which there's plenty—that he had far more say than Jol. You think we dismantled the squad that was allegedly good enough to challenge for fourth (and Jol got the push for saying that it wasn't) on Levy and Comolli's initiative?

 

[sunnydelight786]

You think we had the slightest chance of getting Eto'o or Villa? Dream on. And if he or anyone else thought Sevilla were going to do any business with us they needed their heads examining. We got all our targets bar the DM and Arshavin.

Nobody mentioned him...... Barca wanted shot of Etoo last summer make no mistake about that. We were 1 of very few clubs who tried to get him, his wage demands were the stumbling block, and stood as good chance as the others as the so called big teams did not want to know.

AA debacle has been well documentated. Seville refused our offer for Capel (we offered above his release clause amount), Velosos acording to ITK was very much on and Diarra was the one that got away. I can clearly remember HR saying that he turned down a £15m bid for him on deadline day. The deal fell through when Newcastle went back on there word on selling Barton to Pompey (the reason why KK threw a strop as Newcastle tried to sell Barton behind his back). Since then JR has confirmed that he was desperate to sign him last summer.

 

[PYiddy]

JR won us a trophy - the only major trophy we've won this decade

as such this was a decade-transforming event - vital in so many ways

fortunately HR has got out of the '2 & 8' that JR left us with

had we been relegated this season, the trophy would have been overshadowed by that particular nightmare

so I can now look back on JR's time and think well he gave me (and a fair few others) the best season we've had this decade - for that cup win was truly glorious and right up there as one of our greatest cup runs of the past 110 years

so overall I'm fine with JR's time with us now - we were in a mess when he took over, we were in a bigger mess when he left - but in between he waved his magic Juande and trophy 17 appeared in our cabinet

if CFC beat everton in the FA Cup final we will have a big shout as to being the 5th best/most successful club in England this decade - that shout would be a whisper without that day at wembely v CFC

would that be the 2 points in 8 games?

 

[ydspurs]

IMO - his time with us was a bit up and down to say the least, overall a lack of communication with the players and being undermined by certain bulgarians left JR in a weak and frankly untennable position.

At Real Madrid he has shown he is a class act very much suited to the Spanish style of play, 17 out of 18 wins with only 2 of "his own signings". I think what he needs is to be in control of a Spanish club for at least one transfer window in a market he knows with a chairman/board and DoF is on the same wavelength with then we will see the same manager that we saw at Sevilla.

 

[don1]

i thought he has done well at madrid only being beaten by barca and if things were different for us at the start of the season ie keane and berba staying i believe it might have been a different storyat spurs but its all if and buts we have to move on

 

[SpurSince57]

IMO - his time with us was a bit up and down to say the least, overall a lack of communication with the players and being undermined by certain bulgarians left JR in a weak and frankly untennable position.

At Real Madrid he has shown he is a class act very much suited to the Spanish style of play, 17 out of 18 wins with only 2 of "his own signings". I think what he needs is to be in control of a Spanish club for at least one transfer window in a market he knows with a chairman/board and DoF is on the same wavelength with then we will see the same manager that we saw at Sevilla.

Or possibly the same manager that fans of Betis, Malaga, Espanyol and Barcelona B remember. And he wasn't that great at Rayo.