Just to clarify things regarding "The Keane/Defoe transfers"

[sheringmann]

Regarding Defoes transfer to Portsmouth:

Before transfering to Portsmouth...

And, today, the 25-year-old claimed he is being "forced out" by the Spaniard despite pleas from other officials at the club for him to sign a new deal.
The £10million-rated striker said: "The manager has said I can leave if I want, but I want to prove him wrong. At first, I thought it was a joke. I thought he was going to say I would be starting against Arsenal in the Carling Cup, which was why he didn't give me a game against Reading at the weekend.
"But he just said 'You can leave if you want to'. Yet I have no intentions of leaving this club because I love it here.
"I still cannot believe what the manager said tome. It's all a bit weird, particularly when I want to be at the club. I've been knocked back so many times but I still want to play at Spurs. I love the fans, it's a great club and we have a good, young squad here.
"It's a bit bizarre as people on the board and the sporting director, Damien Comolli, have been telling me they want me to stay.
"But I am being forced out of Tottenham by the manager."


Read more: http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/sport/football/article-506792/Villa-alert-Defoe-says-Ramos-wants-out.html#ixzz0eYW9GGme

and after resigning

Defoe is excited to work again with Redknapp, who gave him his debut at West Ham and took him to Pompey from Spurs a year ago.
'My heart was always here,' said the striker.
'I didn't want to leave. I'm the type of person who gets up for training and really looks forward to the banter with the lads, but towards the end I had mixed feelings.
...
'That means there must be something wrong, because I love playing football. That's why I decided to move on. To be happy again and play football.'
...
Jermain man again: Defoe sets his sights at the Lane
Defoe, who regrets lodging a transfer request to leave West Ham a day after they were relegated, was applauded for his dignified exit from Spurs last January.
...
'When I was here last time, not once did I moan or knock on the manager's door and say I wanted to leave the club.'



Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1111060/Jermain-Defoe-I-wanted-leave-Spurs--heart-8217-s-here.html#ixzz0eYSzSri6

Regarding Keanes transfer to Liverpool:

Daniel Levy, the Tottenham chairman, said last night: “I was incredibly disappointed when I first heard, not only that Liverpool had been working behind the scenes to bring Robbie to Anfield, but that Robbie wanted to go and he submitted a transfer request to this effect. I have made my opinion clear on the nature of this transaction. I don’t regard it as a transfer deal. This is very much an enforced sale, for which we have agreed a sum of £19 million as compensation plus a
potential further £1.3 million in additional compensation.”

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/premier_league/article4419934.ece

There you have it guys.....sorry to say.

 

[mattstev2000]

Oh good. Another Robbie Keane is the devil and Defoe is a yiddo god thread. Just what was needed.

 

[Legend10]

Defoe has always been dignified and respectful towards the club, his was the most down interview I have seen on deadline night after he signed for Pompey, he wasn't excited at all and looked completely forlorn and upset. He also celebrates when he scores against West ham and did so again at Pompey yet looked more or less apologetic and connected with the Spurs supporters when he did so against Spurs.

It's clear that Defoe is a bit of a boy and wants to feel part of the whole set up which he clearly didn't with the previous encumbents in the managers chair and I feel it his connection with the squad and the crowd which makes him a happy boy at our club.

Plus he could get 20+ league goals and 30+ (without some european fodder) goals in total from open play this season, who and when was the last Spurs player to do that (I don't know, but its probably been a while)?

Defoe has some clear faults in his game but overall he is a great player for us to have.

 

[sheringmann]

This is not a Keane is a devil thread, but there seems to be so many misunderstandings about what went on regarding those two transfers and I wanted to quote the news on the matter....

Im not taking sides and I love Keane for what he has done for the club.

 

[Spurs_Bear]

What is this supposed to prove? And more importantly, is it at all necessary?

 

[mil1lion]

Yeah but Defoe scored a penalty against us. Thats just taking the piss :snooty:

 

[mattstev2000]

This is not a Keane is a devil thread, but there seems to be so many misunderstandings about what went on regarding those two transfers and I wanted to quote the news on the matter....

Im not taking sides and I love Keane for what he has done for the club.

All you've done is post quotes from Defoe who, lets be honest, was taking a step down and was trying to prove it wasn't his fault and quotes from Levy about Keane when Levy was trying desperately to appease supporters for selling Keane and Berbatov.

Frankly they don't show anything other that you can twist any story to fit your needs (as I just proved )

 

[guy]

Yeah but Defoe scored a penalty against us. Thats just taking the piss :snooty:

and he cant score them for us nowmg:

 

[AngerManagement]

I think the statements highlight how differnt the circumstances were when both players left the club.

Personally I never wanted Keane back, I thought he was over rated and would flop at Liverpool and he did. I didn't want him back, largely because of the way he left and the effect both his and Berbatov's move had on the start of our season last year (one that could easily have seen us relegated) but mostly because I thought he wasn't worth signing.

However, what I will say is..... In the Jan 09 transfer window we were fighting for our lives, the Comolli/Ramos team can completely depleted our squad and we were staring relegation in the face.

Bent, Pav and Campbell were clearly not enough to save us so we brought in Defoe. The real problem was Defoe soon got injuried so we found ourselves needing another striker desperately.

Wheter or not Keane was the best option avalible I don't know, I assume it was the easiest what with Liverpool owing money for his transfer and their willingness to cut their losses, personally I never wanted him back but was aware of our need to replace the injuried Defoe.

Keane came in and played his part in keeping us up. This is not to be underestimated.... forgive but don't forget and all that. Yes he screwed us over in the first place, but he also played a (fairly sizable) role in saving us, games like Stoke at the Lane were key to survival at the time and he and Modric were key players.

So while personally I would happily us not see him in a Spurs shirt again, as I think we need better...if/as/when he plays for us again I will support him and want him to do well as much as any other player who represents our club.

I hope he does well for Celtic, it will either mean we can sell him on for more money or he can benefit our club in someway. If he flops there it will only result in writing sums off an asset owned by our club.

My own opinion is it's time to let the bitterness go, yea I (and most) perfer Defoe and feel Keane's time at the Lane has run its course, but I think the constant bitterness towards him should be released. I'd never boo the team or a player in our team and I think we should all be hoping he tears the scottish league a new one as failing to do so can only be determental to our club (and its the club that really matters not the componets wearing the shirts)

 

[Sputic]

This is not a Keane is a devil thread, but there seems to be so many misunderstandings about what went on regarding those two transfers and I wanted to quote the news on the matter....

Im not taking sides and I love Keane for what he has done for the club.

You're blatantly taking sides, and what's more you're taking those quotes from Defoe at face value, when anyone with half a brain cell knows it's all bullshit. You've clarified FA.

If Defoe loved the club as much as is claimed on this site he would have signed the contract, stayed and sought to force Ramos to give him a chance. But he didn't, he rightly did the best thing for his career.

And Keane didn't go to Liverpool cos they were his boyhood club, he went there because they were one of the big 4. In other words he did the best thing for his career. Especially if it's true that Ramos didn't fancy him miuch either.

So where's the actual difference? Defoe would off like a shot if Man U, Arsenal, Chelsea, Man City or Liverpool wanted him. Luckily for Spurs, they don't.

You sound like one of those mug women who believe their fella when he tells her he loves her, even though he's cheated once and is looking to do so again.

'But Jermain says he loved me! He said he never really liked that other girl anyway!'

 

[sheringmann]

You're blatantly taking sides, and what's more you're 1. taking those quotes from Defoe at face value, when anyone with half a brain cell knows it's all bullshit. You've clarified FA.

If Defoe loved the club as much as is claimed on this site he would have signed the contract, stayed and sought to force Ramos to give him a chance. But he didn't, he rightly did the best thing for his career.

And Keane didn't go to Liverpool cos they were his boyhood club, he went there because they were one of the big 4. In other words he did the best thing for his career. Especially if it's true that Ramos didn't fancy him miuch either.

So where's the actual difference? Defoe would off like a shot if Man U, Arsenal, Chelsea, Man City or Liverpool wanted him. Luckily for Spurs, they don't.

You sound like one of those mug women who believe their fella when he tells her he loves her, even though he's cheated once and is looking to do so again.

'2. But Jermain says he loved me! He said he never really liked that other girl anyway!'

1. Those quotes are from him AFTER he had signed for Portsmouth...He had everything to loose saying them....but he did it anyway. Why would he say such things if he didn't mean them?

2. I love Jermain and Jermain loves me! :grin: And by the way....He never liked that other girl......hehe

 

[gibbs131]

Levy could have said no to both.

Looks like he bows to player power.

 

[MattyP]

Sorry, exactly what does that clarify. :shrug:

I realise I am a bit slow and maybe I've missed something. Players come and players go, under twitchy they come, go, come, go.

I'll still support whoever puts on our shirt and call the opposition a bunch of ****s.

 

[TheWaddler]

You can't compare what Defoe said on his transfer(s) to what Levy said about Keane's transfer. A fair comparison would be Defoe's quotes versus what Robbie said at the time.

 

[sheringmann]

You can't compare what Defoe said on his transfer(s) to what Levy said about Keane's transfer. A fair comparison would be Defoe's quotes versus what Robbie said at the time.

Keane said: “I would like to place on record my thanks to the board, players and fans of Tottenham for the past six years, which were the best and most enjoyable of my career to date. I would specifically like to thank chairman Daniel Levy for understanding that, as a fan, joining Liverpool is a lifelong dream of mine and one I couldn’t let pass me by.”

All I could find...

 

[barry]

More loyal, maybe. Too bad he has fuck all composure. England won't win the WC if Defoe is upfront. Shame we didn't sign Ruud. Now there's a striker who know's how to finish.
It always fucks me off when commentators go on about how defoe is one of England's greatest predators, which if true is a damming indictment of English strikers, but is probably down to ignorance. Ignorance perpetuated by all who don't follow Spurs, and actually haven’t realised how many chances this "predator" needs, and how useless he is when not scoring.

 

[duffman22]

I think the statements highlight how differnt the circumstances were when both players left the club.

Personally I never wanted Keane back, I thought he was over rated and would flop at Liverpool and he did. I didn't want him back, largely because of the way he left and the effect both his and Berbatov's move had on the start of our season last year (one that could easily have seen us relegated) but mostly because I thought he wasn't worth signing.

However, what I will say is..... In the Jan 09 transfer window we were fighting for our lives, the Comolli/Ramos team can completely depleted our squad and we were staring relegation in the face.

Bent, Pav and Campbell were clearly not enough to save us so we brought in Defoe. The real problem was Defoe soon got injuried so we found ourselves needing another striker desperately.

Wheter or not Keane was the best option avalible I don't know, I assume it was the easiest what with Liverpool owing money for his transfer and their willingness to cut their losses, personally I never wanted him back but was aware of our need to replace the injuried Defoe.

Keane came in and played his part in keeping us up. This is not to be underestimated.... forgive but don't forget and all that. Yes he screwed us over in the first place, but he also played a (fairly sizable) role in saving us, games like Stoke at the Lane were key to survival at the time and he and Modric were key players.

So while personally I would happily us not see him in a Spurs shirt again, as I think we need better...if/as/when he plays for us again I will support him and want him to do well as much as any other player who represents our club.

I hope he does well for Celtic, it will either mean we can sell him on for more money or he can benefit our club in someway. If he flops there it will only result in writing sums off an asset owned by our club.

My own opinion is it's time to let the bitterness go, yea I (and most) perfer Defoe and feel Keane's time at the Lane has run its course, but I think the constant bitterness towards him should be released. I'd never boo the team or a player in our team and I think we should all be hoping he tears the scottish league a new one as failing to do so can only be determental to our club (and its the club that really matters not the componets wearing the shirts)

Aside from the fact I was pleased when we re-signed him, this is pretty much how I feel on the matter. Even though he did help keep us up last year it just wasn't the same Robbie Keane from the first spell for me. Not just in terms of performances but there just wasn't that connection with the fans he had first time around. Nowhere near to the extent that I moaned and groaned every time he lost the ball like some morons, I supported him as a fan should do, but there just wasn't that impression that he was Spurs through and through anymore.

 

[StartingPrice]

Keane said: “I would like to place on record my thanks to the board, players and fans of Tottenham for the past six years, which were the best and most enjoyable of my career to date. I would specifically like to thank chairman Daniel Levy for understanding that, as a fan, joining Liverpool is a lifelong dream of mine and one I couldn’t let pass me by.”

All I could find...

Yeah, but they don't quite read the same - and that is the point Waddler was making. Dan Levy wasn't exactly gonna tell the fans that knowing The Bulgar was determined on a move, he was 'happy' (not saying he was 'happy', just an expression), to get £20 million-ish for a player Spurs paid :shrug:£7 million for (off the top of my head) six years ago.

And just another little differentiale between Keane and Defoe, while we are on the subject, adn this is something I observed, not read. When BMJ was sacked (so disgracefully) Robbie Keane was filmed walking through the car-park (Spurs Lodge:shrug by SSN, and he was absolutely livid, (and probably felt like he and the players shared responsibility). The same cameras showed Jermaine Defoe laughing and (virtually) skipping into training - he was obviously more concerned with his opportunities at getting a game than he was about the hugely popular (and, realatively, successful) Martin Jol being done so badly. Ironic then that the replacement, Mr Ramos, reached the same conclusion that BMJ did, that Keane/Bulgar was clearly (by a county mile) the preferred strike force, and Jermaine Defoe again kicked up when he didn't the starts he felt he warranted (especially when 'we' cold all see that BMJ and Ramos were right, and Keane/Bulgar should be starting). Defoe may have said he didn't want to leave, but he still made it clear that he wouldn't sign a new contract, and the club risked him doing a Scab Tumble, is they didn't give him as much game time as he wanted even when it was clear that this wasn't best for the team.

I am not trying to demonise JD, or to paint Keane as a babe-in-the-wood. But what do your quotes actually prove. That Keane was honest enough to say that he wanted to play for (one of the) club(s) he supported as a boy, that Dan Levy can spin thangs his way, and that JD is capable of being exceedingly supple (and subtle) with his responses to questioning:shrug:

 

[Kendall]

barry are you for real? Defoe no composure and a hit and hope merchant? come off it.

He showed ample composure to run from our half, round the keeper and slot in last night. Not to mention the wonderfully composed finishes against Wigan, the first two against Hull among others.

Defoe is no longer 'shift n shoot' imo, he shifts, looks, plays a pass and then receives it before slotting it.

 

[barry]

barry are you for real? Defoe no composure and a hit and hope merchant? come off it.

He showed ample composure to run from our half, round the keeper and slot in last night. Not to mention the wonderfully composed finishes against Wigan, the first two against Hull among others.

Defoe is no longer 'shift n shoot' imo, he shifts, looks, plays a pass and then receives it before slotting it.

Maybe I over-stated the point. I'm not saying he's got no talent, let's face it no one playing in the prem is without talent. I just think he uses more power than finess. Defoe's happy to hit the target with as much power as possible, whereas a real predator want's to hit the parts of the net the keeper can't reach.
I'll freely admit I really can't stand Defoe as a player, too limited which is why Heskey is in front of him for England. I know they're different players but if he really was special they'd try and acomadate him, like they used to do with rooney and owen, who is of a similar ilk.