King - Ramos is a cup manager

[biscuitbeck]

Ledley King states in his autobiography, in his brief description of the club under Juande Ramos (the chapter entitled "The Spanish Inquisition", haha), that Ramos was an excellent cup manager, which was why we managed to smash Arsenal 5-1 in the second leg of the Carling Cup semi-final before going on to beat Chelsea. King says that Ramos watched Arsenal closely in the first leg, learnt how to beat them and expose their weaknesses, and came up with a gameplan that, as we all know, was a massive success.

Ledley says that Ramos instructed Lennon and Malbranque to run in behind repeatedly to expose Arsenal on the flanks, having learnt in the first leg that the full-backs and the space in behind was the area to exploit.

Linking this back to the current day, with Ramos as Dnipro manager now - we of course play them on Wednesday - I'm slightly worried that he may have our card marked, so to speak. Even if he isn't the best at getting on well with the squad, he is still a master tactician and, against the novice Sherwood (a fact, not having a go), part of me is a bit worried that we may be tactically outdone, particularly at the Lane where we are known to struggle to break teams down.

Anyone else ever-so-slightly concerned that we may be outmaneouvred by our former manager?

 

[Spurger King]

Ledley King states in his autobiography, in his brief description of the club under Juande Ramos (the chapter entitled "The Spanish Inquisition", haha), that Ramos was an excellent cup manager, which was why we managed to smash Arsenal 5-1 in the second leg of the Carling Cup semi-final before going on to beat Chelsea. King says that Ramos watched Arsenal closely in the first leg, learnt how to beat them and expose their weaknesses, and came up with a gameplan that, as we all know, was a massive success.

Ledley says that Ramos instructed Lennon and Malbranque to run in behind repeatedly to expose Arsenal on the flanks, having learnt in the first leg that the full-backs and the space in behind was the area to exploit.

Linking this back to the current day, with Ramos as Dnipro manager now - we of course play them on Wednesday - I'm slightly worried that he may have our card marked, so to speak. Even if he isn't the best at getting on well with the squad, he is still a master tactician and, against the novice Sherwood (a fact, not having a go), part of me is a bit worried that we may be tactically outdone, particularly at the Lane where we are known to struggle to break teams down.

Anyone else ever-so-slightly concerned that we may be outmaneouvred by our former manager?

Not really. He'll have no idea what team we'll be playing for a start. Could be a strong team, a team full of kids, or a combination of the two.

 

[biscuitbeck]

Not really. He'll have no idea what team we'll be playing for a start. Could be a strong team, a team full of kids, or a combination of the two.

Agreed to an extent, but today's youth team match (where virtually all of our best youngsters played) suggests to me that we will bringing the majority of the first team squad to Ukraine, not youngsters. At home it will probably be a similar story, as it sounds like Sherwood is pretty eager to progress (much like AVB was).

 

[spurslenny]

This whole argument about Sherwood being tactically naive is irrelevant to me, and possibly even wrong.

Football isn't as complicated or as tactical as some would like you to believe (Liverpool, Arsenal fans) imo.

Of course certain opponents require ones tactics to be adapted, but as is evident from the numerous tactic threads that keep popping up, virtually anyone that has an in depth knowledge of football either from watching or playing (as in sherwood ' s case) will have a grasp of tactics.

The only thing Sherwood lacks is experience. Imo.

 

[Spurger King]

Agreed to an extent, but today's youth team match (where virtually all of our best youngsters played) suggests to me that we will bringing the majority of the first team squad to Ukraine, not youngsters. At home it will probably be a similar story, as it sounds like Sherwood is pretty eager to progress (much like AVB was).

Fair point. Ramos is a smart guy, and I'm sure he's done his homework. However another advantage we have is that Sherwood doesn't really have a concrete system in place just yet. He's adapted his line-ups quite regularly since being in charge, so I think it will be extremely difficult to anticipate exactly who is playing.

If anything he'll mainly target our LB, as short of playing Verts there, it's going to be our weak spot.

 

[Ribble]

Ledley King states in his autobiography, in his brief description of the club under Juande Ramos (the chapter entitled "The Spanish Inquisition", haha), that Ramos was an excellent cup manager, which was why we managed to smash Arsenal 5-1 in the second leg of the Carling Cup semi-final before going on to beat Chelsea. King says that Ramos watched Arsenal closely in the first leg, learnt how to beat them and expose their weaknesses, and came up with a gameplan that, as we all know, was a massive success.

Interesting. I wonder what he could have done with a top class opposition scout at his disposal like, say, that Portuguese lad Mourinho had kicking around with him...

 

[idontgetit]

Ledley King states in his autobiography, in his brief description of the club under Juande Ramos (the chapter entitled "The Spanish Inquisition", haha), that Ramos was an excellent cup manager, which was why we managed to smash Arsenal 5-1 in the second leg of the Carling Cup semi-final before going on to beat Chelsea. King says that Ramos watched Arsenal closely in the first leg, learnt how to beat them and expose their weaknesses, and came up with a gameplan that, as we all know, was a massive success.

Ledley says that Ramos instructed Lennon and Malbranque to run in behind repeatedly to expose Arsenal on the flanks, having learnt in the first leg that the full-backs and the space in behind was the area to exploit.

Linking this back to the current day, with Ramos as Dnipro manager now - we of course play them on Wednesday - I'm slightly worried that he may have our card marked, so to speak. Even if he isn't the best at getting on well with the squad, he is still a master tactician and, against the novice Sherwood (a fact, not having a go), part of me is a bit worried that we may be tactically outdone, particularly at the Lane where we are known to struggle to break teams down.

Anyone else ever-so-slightly concerned that we may be outmaneouvred by our former manager?

It would be a fucking nightmare working out our weaknesses. It changes every game and on top of that our cup side is likely to be vastly different to our league one. The only obvious one is attacking Dawson's lack of pace and that they should be trying to pick the ball up in front of the defence as much as possible when our midfield drifts too high

 

[Kendall]

Ramos doing his homework on us would be no different to any Premier League manager doing their homework, in fact, considering his utterly shite record in the Premier League (other than Santini's short stint, the worst of any manager ever), I'd say it'd be worse.

 

[dagraham]

If I was Ramos or any opposition manager I would be telling my team to surround Ade as soon as he gets the ball. He is so key to our play at the moment.

And then obviously attack with pace down our left hand side.

 

[Lilbaz]

We don't know what team Tim will play. We don't know what formation. We don't know if he will use a dm/not dm. We've played slightly differently over the last 10 games so good luck trying to guess.

 

[yido16]

Or when Dawson gets the ball stand 50 yards back and wait for the ball in the right back position

 

[CowInAComa]

Ledley King states in his autobiography, in his brief description of the club under Juande Ramos (the chapter entitled "The Spanish Inquisition", haha), that Ramos was an excellent cup manager, which was why we managed to smash Arsenal 5-1 in the second leg of the Carling Cup semi-final before going on to beat Chelsea. King says that Ramos watched Arsenal closely in the first leg, learnt how to beat them and expose their weaknesses, and came up with a gameplan that, as we all know, was a massive success.

Ledley says that Ramos instructed Lennon and Malbranque to run in behind repeatedly to expose Arsenal on the flanks, having learnt in the first leg that the full-backs and the space in behind was the area to exploit.

Linking this back to the current day, with Ramos as Dnipro manager now - we of course play them on Wednesday - I'm slightly worried that he may have our card marked, so to speak. Even if he isn't the best at getting on well with the squad, he is still a master tactician and, against the novice Sherwood (a fact, not having a go), part of me is a bit worried that we may be tactically outdone, particularly at the Lane where we are known to struggle to break teams down.

Anyone else ever-so-slightly concerned that we may be outmaneouvred by our former manager?

he analysed his opponent and tailored his instructions accordingly. What a fucking visionary.

 

[Gassin's finest]

Master tactician... *guffaw*

End of the day the tactics will do so much before they get beaten by us simply having the better quality footballers. That sounds very arrogant and shortsighted i grant, but in some cases it tends to be true.

 

[Spurs_Bear]

Seeing as he was only ever good in the second leg after he had worked out how to beat a team, we should be fine after we're 6-0 at the end of the 1st.

 

[Syn_13]

If I was Ramos or any opposition manager I would be telling my team to surround Ade as soon as he gets the ball. He is so key to our play at the moment.

And then obviously attack with pace down our left hand side.

That's if Ade plays. Still not sure how Tim's going to deal with this one.

 

[dagraham]

That's if Ade plays. Still not sure how Tim's going to deal with this one.

Yeah, it was more a general point about playing against us. Personally, I will be surprised and pissed off if we risk Ade for this tie. He's too crucial for our top four chances.

 

[southgatespur40]

That's if Ade plays. Still not sure how Tim's going to deal with this one.

I hope Soldado and Kane get to play if I'm honest, I'd rather have Ade ready to go for League games.

 

[Mullers]

Underestimating teams is our specialty, it has come back to bite us on the arse many, many times before. Just because a manager fails once or twice he's often branded as shit, which isn't necessarily the case at all. It didn't go to well for Ramos in the PL but the man did win our only trophy in 15 years and he did it in style, before that he was in charge of a Sevilla side that beat us and won the Europa two years in a row. You can't discount all that.

 

[Chris Flynn]

Isn't 'Cup Manager' just a fancy name for Tea Lady?

 

[dagraham]

Isn't 'Cup Manager' just a fancy name for Tea Lady?

Haha.... or Crockery Co-ordinator.