Rout-Ledge
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To my eyes (and I'm a Walker apologist) he was clearly the weak link in England's defence.
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To my eyes (and I'm a Walker apologist) he was clearly the weak link in England's defence.
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I noticed that Redknapp never missed the opportunity to make his normal inarticulate comment on the matter.. What the fuck has it got to do with the bitter old twat.. His comments were an obvious swipe at the FA, because he didn't get the job and a swipe at a Tottenham player, as he still can't believe he got sacked.
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disagree, I thought Walker dealt well with their most dangerous player IMO he did not look out of place... he got forward well too. I thought Walcott never tracked back well enough.
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My issue is that Walker is a rank average player and is seemingly untouchable as our first choice right back. Call me old fashioned but I like defenders to be able to actually defend. His pace masks a multitude of sins, not least his terrible positional awareness and lack of concentration.
Some people on here like to file any criticism of one of our players under 'player bashing'. Seriously when did it become a crime to criticise our players on a fans forum? I'd much rather our supporters did it on here than 'boo' our players at games. In my opinion he is our weak link in defence, if we are to improve as a team then we need to foucs on our weaknesses and either improve through training or get somebody else in who can do a better job.
Some people on here like to file any criticism of one of our players under 'player bashing'. Seriously when did it become a crime to criticise our players on a fans forum? I'd much rather our supporters did it on here than 'boo' our players at games. In my opinion he is our weak link in defence, if we are to improve as a team then we need to foucs on our weaknesses and either improve through training or get somebody else in who can do a better job.
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More bashing
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Ooooh. Thems fighting words. Expect the backlash from the "Danny Rose is worse than an AIDS infected tumour" adherents to be swift and merciless.
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There's nothing wrong with constructive criticism at all. However I don't see why he should be judged on a performances for England playing away in a team full of shit and up against their most dangerous player. Constructive critiscm is fine, posting "Walker is shit" 20 times a night like a certain poster on here, in my opinion, isn't.
KingKay
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It really isn't the first time he's been caught out, it's quite a frequent thing ... Oh wait a minute, you were exaggerating the original point in order to discredit my original argument. Congratulations, really constructive.
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Walcott did no defending, in a 4-3-3 that's part of his job, if he doesn't the full-back gets overloaded as is always outnumbered.
The weak areas in a 4-3-3 are in front of the full-backs where a team can get out numbered. That's what happened, Walcott didn't do his job so Walker had to bear the brunt of it and try and do 2 peoples work himself.
Gerrard was supposed to defend the centre-backs, he didn't. The team had no movement so the back four had no passes on, basically a few players were a fish out of water in a 4-3-3 and that screws it for the rest and for the system.
The weak areas in a 4-3-3 are in front of the full-backs where a team can get out numbered. That's what happened, Walcott didn't do his job so Walker had to bear the brunt of it and try and do 2 peoples work himself.
Gerrard was supposed to defend the centre-backs, he didn't. The team had no movement so the back four had no passes on, basically a few players were a fish out of water in a 4-3-3 and that screws it for the rest and for the system.
Misfit
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Tends to be the case with FBs. Look, I'm not saying he's great or even the finished article. He is neither of those things. But really, every FB, even the all time greats, have been beaten in every single game they've played. It happens.
Just as strikers miss easy chances.
So yeah, Kyle Walker isn't a great FB. Fascinating stuff.
Now what?
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Not so young,105 cap Ashley Cole, supposedly one of the best left backs of his generation, was caught out of position more than once last night, and beaten by his man.
There is an element of Kylw Walker is shit, that a few posters have kept putting out and unforunatly like the flue, it catches.
Rose is starting to suffer as well.
Maybe they are not the best in the world but how many pl teams have got better all round full backs.
Some may have more solid defenders, but remember with our high line we need fast fullbacks, and our backs are required to get forward as well.
Whatever the case were stuck with them, they are ours, and we should get behind them, and give them confidence,
rather than wreck whatever confidence theyve got, and then when they start to suffer say, there, I told you they were shit.
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To be honest, the whole back four last night were all over the place in the first 30 minutes of that game, both fullbacks being caught out by great balls over the top, but then the central defenders weren't playing in line either.
I rate Walker, very highly actually, he see's a lot of the ball for a full back, and offers much more than just being able to defend, he;s quick - last night he was up against someone who was very quick and he held his own pretty well in my opinion.
It's not like he had much support from Walcott either. THought he was one of our best players - honestly, without the rose tinted glasses on, he done well, in both games.
I rate Walker, very highly actually, he see's a lot of the ball for a full back, and offers much more than just being able to defend, he;s quick - last night he was up against someone who was very quick and he held his own pretty well in my opinion.
It's not like he had much support from Walcott either. THought he was one of our best players - honestly, without the rose tinted glasses on, he done well, in both games.
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When you say that his pace masks a multitude of sins what do you mean? Do you mean it gets him out of certain situations? Because isn't that sort of the point? Does it matter if his defending is based on tremendous positioning or on pace, if the latter sorts out the issue?
His lack of concentration is an issue, and one which he will need to sort out, but despite having been around for a while he is still relatively young for a defender. It's very rare that defenders generally reach their peak at his age so to write him off now is massively premature.
Equally, by the very nature of his position and how Spurs/England play, he is going to be left exposed. He can't position himself to deal with two players if he gets no help. Yes he makes mistakes but a lot of the time I don't think he gets the help that is needed in those areas in a 4-3-3.
There are areas to work on for him certainly, but then you'd expect that for a young player.
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Unless Kyle reads this thread then I don't think he'll be too upset. Just to reiterate the point, I agree that this is the place to criticise players, not on the terraces.
To be fair it wasn't his best game but then no Englansd player did anything of note last night. He was up against a player (their no 10) with skill and pace and who was having a better game. That made things look worse. What also didn't help was that moron Townsend comentating, he just stuck into him every time he did something a little wrong - like when he almost gave away a penalty in the second half for a "stupid, clumsy tackle" when replays actually show that Walker neither attempted a tackle or changd the angle of his run, the Ukraine guy simply saw an opportunity and threw himself at Walker - shame for him was that he did it just outside the box.
Equally annoying from both commentators was the waxing lyrical over Jack Wilshere. they kept going on about his quality and seemed disgusted when he went off for Young as Milner would have to come into midfield and he was nowhere near the player young Jack the saviour is.......Now i am a spurs fan so my opinion of an Arse may be a little harsh but i thought he was by far the worst player on the pitch, by a country mile. I actually cannot remember a pass that he connected! I was urging Roy to swap him out and found it amazing that the comentators had such issue with him coming off. Anyway that was the first England game i've watched since the Euros and I think i'll go back to avoiding in the future, utter dross.
Equally annoying from both commentators was the waxing lyrical over Jack Wilshere. they kept going on about his quality and seemed disgusted when he went off for Young as Milner would have to come into midfield and he was nowhere near the player young Jack the saviour is.......Now i am a spurs fan so my opinion of an Arse may be a little harsh but i thought he was by far the worst player on the pitch, by a country mile. I actually cannot remember a pass that he connected! I was urging Roy to swap him out and found it amazing that the comentators had such issue with him coming off. Anyway that was the first England game i've watched since the Euros and I think i'll go back to avoiding in the future, utter dross.
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I think that fact that his game is largely based on pace is a big concern. This inevitably leads to last ditch defending in order to make up, as we saw on a couple of occasions last night (Hart penalty appeal, Walker freekick towards the end). Also if you take that yard of pace away through age or a bad injury, then I'm not sue we're left with an awful lot.
I agree that he is still young but I suppose what I'm most concerned about is that his overall game seems to have gone backwards in the last year or so.
Well I was hoping this would be the focus of the debate. Has anyone at the club addressed these issues within his game. Are they being or can they be coached out of him? Are Naughton or Adam Smith betters options? do we need to look for a new RB in January? If he continues with his current form then I personally think we can do better.
Cue more player basher bashing ...
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I wish I'd had my umbrella for this fail storm of a post.
His only mistake was apologising.
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He struggled a bit last night, but then again when Glen Johnson was playing right back, the Ukranian winger scored. He didn't against Kyle.
Kyle struggled without proper cover in front of him, unlike at Spurs where Lennon does a lot of work defensively (I don't want to start bashing Walcott but how the hell he keeps getting picked for England is beyond me) and positioning is not his strong point. Normally his pace gets him out of trouble but the Ukranian was as fast if not quicker!
I thought some of the analysis was a touch harsh on him - "he needs to get tighter...he's too tight....he is out of position and not in line with the other defenders.....he's positioned too close to the other defenders and not to the winger..."
Personally I like my back four to stay tight together, and the wingers offer wide cover until the defence shifts over. But Kyle's still young so lets hope this all helps him improve as a player.
Kyle struggled without proper cover in front of him, unlike at Spurs where Lennon does a lot of work defensively (I don't want to start bashing Walcott but how the hell he keeps getting picked for England is beyond me) and positioning is not his strong point. Normally his pace gets him out of trouble but the Ukranian was as fast if not quicker!
I thought some of the analysis was a touch harsh on him - "he needs to get tighter...he's too tight....he is out of position and not in line with the other defenders.....he's positioned too close to the other defenders and not to the winger..."
Personally I like my back four to stay tight together, and the wingers offer wide cover until the defence shifts over. But Kyle's still young so lets hope this all helps him improve as a player.
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