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Lamela and Soldado among Europe's top 10 over-valued players

tototoner

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well according to this

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...le-Marouane-Fellaini-Fernandinho-feature.html

Gareth Bale’s £80million price tag when he moved from Tottenham to Real Madrid last summer caused plenty of eyebrows to be raised, and now a new report suggests the Spanish giants paid almost £30m more than the Welshmen is currently worth - even after becoming a Champions League winner.


Experts at the Swiss-based CIES Football Observatory have placed ‘market values’ on top players from around Europe based on a wide range of ‘objective’ factors from age and contract expiry date to position, performance data and international experience.


They calculate that Bale, 24, is worth ‘only’ £50.9m at market rates based on what a buyer should reasonably pay for him if he moved this summer. That is £29.8m LESS than Real Madrid paid for him last summer.


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The CIES report says Bale was the ‘worst recruitment’ from a purely financial perspective last season of any player at a club in the top divisions across England, Spain, Italy, Germany and France.


Radamel Falcao of Monaco represents the next most over-valued player, ‘worth’ £25.6m less than Monaco paid for him.


Tottenham’s Erik Lamela, Manchester United’s Marouane Fellaini, Manchester City’s Fernandinho, Chelsea’s Willian and Tottenham’s Roberto Soldado are all in the top 10 of poor value players when considering fees paid and current worth.


‘The comparison between transfer fees paid by clubs to sign new players at the start or during the 2013-14 season and their current market value allows us to assess the best and worst recruitments from a financial perspective,’ the report’s authors say.


‘The highest “negative gap” was recorded for Gareth Bale (minus €37m, or £29.8m).

This finding reflects the fact that Real Madrid clearly paid over the odds to convince Tottenham to release the player.’

The authors say that at the other extreme, the German striker Max Kruse, 26, was the best buy of last summer. ‘The highest positive gap between fee paid and value now was observed for Max Kruse,’ they say. ‘Borussia Monchengladbach signed him for a bargain from Freiburg thanks to the existence of a very low buy-out clause.


‘His current market value is eight times greater than the €2m fee paid one year ago.’


They say that Manchester United’s Adnan Januzaj is the highest value player who made a debut in 2013-14 who cost nothing to their current club because they were produced by the club academy. They rate him as worth £10m.
 

PontusEngblom

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Is that the same report that has Kyle Walker as the most valuable RB in the world..?

I'd also argue that every player on that list (indeed, every player bought ever) is worth whatever the buying club is willing to pay.
 

Rout-Ledge

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So according to that Cavani is worth around £20m more than Falcao?

And they don't think anyone would be willing to pay more than £50m for Bale now?

Absolute hogwash.
 

JerryGarcia

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Market value is almost completely irrelevant in football, all that matters is what a player is worth to his club and how many years he has left on his contract. If we went to Southampton and said "here's £15m for Lallana, it's his market value", they'd rightly tell us to bugger off like we did at first with Bale and Madrid and like Villa did to us with Benteke (I think).
 

THFCSPURS19

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Ignore it- they literally got every "fee paid" amount wrong.
 

JUSTINSIGNAL

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Such bullshit. A Player is worth what a club is prepared to pay for him. If buying club think a player will make such a difference to their team/squad that they deem it worthy to pay over the odds then that is the players value.

If Real Madrid think Danny Rose is the only left back in the world who will strengthen their left back spot and offer £200m then that is his value(please let this come true..).
 

tototoner

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Is that the same report that has Kyle Walker as the most valuable RB in the world..?

I'd also argue that every player on that list (indeed, every player bought ever) is worth whatever the buying club is willing to pay.

Yes
 

JerryGarcia

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Real Madrid think Danny Rose is the only left back in the world who will strengthen their left back spot and will offer £200m. That is his value(please let this come true..).

Quick get on the phone to Marca with this exlusive, you might even get €50 as a reward if it comes true.

(please really let this come true)
 

beats1

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Such bullshit. A Player is worth what a club is prepared to pay for him. If buying club think a player will make such a difference to their team/squad that they deem it worthy to pay over the odds then that is the players value.

If Real Madrid think Danny Rose is the only left back in the world who will strengthen their left back spot and offer £200m then that is his value(please let this come true..).
Not true a players value is determined by the market value, if Rose was the only LB Real Madrid wanted, they wouldnt pay the 3x times the value of the world most expensive signing.

Also Soldado was signed for an initial fee of £13million so he is undervalued going by their accounts.
 

$hoguN

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WALOB, players are commodities and like all commodities their worth is dictated by their worth to the selling club and by what a team is willing to pay to acquire them. All these statistical views on players worths are not worth the missed opportunity for a wank they take to "research" and write.
 

RButch

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I am sorry but I hate this type of research.

"Market Value" what a crap term to use within football, plays as shogun said are assets, a business within a business if you like, where you will very rarely pay a price that is of par value. You in almost every case generate goodwill, hoping to create more positive goodwill in the future.

Bale to them may only be worth £51M, but right now, without him, Real Madrid possibly would not have won the double. He most likely has generated more that £85M in goodwill for the company and, most likely, increased Real Madrid's market value.
 

LeSoupeKitchen

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Stupid analysis. We can buy players like Chadli for cheap who wants to come to us, he can have an average season and suddenly become a feasible player for a crap team with cash like Stoke to tempt and we could end up making a tidy profit by devalueing a player footballing wise.
 

Shea

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A player is worth what a club will pay for him and or what a club will sell him for

They're basically making up a market value based on their opinion

Pointless article
 

Japhet

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Wonder who paid them to come up with that report. Whoever commissioned it got zero value for money.
 

Dinghy

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Isn't it the same for any commodity?(for that is what a player is to any club)

It's like I'm told that my house is worth £250k... I'm not going to sell it for that because I don't want to move. If someone were desperate to move into my house and offered me £500k I'd sell without a thought. If I needed to move and noone were willing to pay £250k I would need to drop the price until I found a buyer willing to pay what I was asking

Price is dependant on buyer and seller negotiating a price. Until such times a price has been set it has no intrinsic value. (Accountants may argue this point to some extent but the point still stands)
 

Sp3akerboxxx

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Is that the same report that has Kyle Walker as the most valuable RB in the world..?

I'd also argue that every player on that list (indeed, every player bought ever) is worth whatever the buying club is willing to pay.

Things (including players) can be valued way above their true value. Andy Carroll?
 

ultimateloner

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Wonder what methodology 'value' uses.
If you give a 'price' to each goal (lets say for a striker) then you multiply it by the number of 'estimated' goals he will score during the contract term, then you might at least get the top-line.
But it seems moot to apply such a rigid approach to a player. E.g. it would be a useless formula for a defender..since you can't measure 'how many goals he prevented' or 'helped prevent'.
 
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