Lamela

[Time for Heroes]

genuine question - how many chances did Eriksen make?

This is a Lamela thread. People need to stop protecting their favourite players by sniping at other players.

 

[E17yid]

It's not really fine though, is it?

It genuinely is, Lamela isn't a favourite of mine either to be honest. I don't tend to have any favourites really, and that's being 100% honest.

It's just frustrating arguing with someone who is trying to pass themselves off as objective when they refuse to recognise anything good he does.

Ohh yeah, sorry, I forgot he backtracked a bit, he likes to do that when he gets called out on his blatant trolling

 

[Kendall]

It genuinely is, Lamela isn't a favourite of mine either to be honest. I don't tend to have any favourites really, and that's being 100% honest.

It's just frustrating arguing with someone who is trying to pass themselves off as objective when they refuse to recognise anything good he does.

Ohh yeah, sorry, I forgot he backtracked a bit, he likes to do that when he gets called out on his blatant trolling

I think in general people are becoming a little more objective about Lamela in the main. Not as many hysterical fanboys about.

 

[Main Man]

Was it you who said he should have hit shot when he did the Rabona with his right? (can't be bothered to look back to be honest) if it was then that is hardly balancing out the good from the bad.

He does have negatives to his game, as do most players, especially young ones, i just don't really get why you purposely focus more rigorously on the negatives and fail to see that he does tend to have some end product, and if we can realise that more consistently then we will have a very effective player.

Regardless of consistency, he is our most effective "assister" and out of the 13 goals we have scored he has assisted 4 of them, 30% of our goals have come directly from this guy, and i am sure he influenced others as well if we went back and looked through them, and it is no suprise that most games he has not been very good in you could pick a bunch of players who were at the same level so collectively as a unit there where not the greatest.

He has a long way to go, but if potential is even remotely realised we at a minimum have a very good player on our hands, who, like Chadli get a lot of shit for no reason most of the time.

I didn't criticse his rabona.

How could anyone? It was an incredible piece of skill, and another glimpse of what Erik can potentially do.

I may have said that if that situation occurs again I would like to think he would just put his foot through it, but I think that would be a thought shared by most?

You can use stats as much as you like - they made Clint Dempsey look an unbelievable player and we know full well the reality of that.

Lamela, irrespective of goals/assists, and with his talent, should be one of our best players every game.

You mention Chadli, he is a player I rate quite highly. He could be so much better mind, but his level of performance has been decent this season.

 

[E17yid]

Yesterday Main main said (re Villa game)

Eriksen was withdrawn yesterday for Lamela and we worse because of it.

Until the sending off we didn't have a single shot second half.

Yet again, Lamela produced midweek then did nothing on the weekend in a proper game.

At least our next fixture is in the Europa League, he should play well in that one.

Then today has come up with these 2 gems:

No need to get personal.

I have accepted everything good Lamela has done, but I have weighed that against the negatives.

That is something you and many others are not willing to do/accept..

And.......

I have listed the positives from Lamela's performance on Sunday:

• He took a corner which successfully beat the first man an result in a goal
• He played a key part in Benteke's sending off
• His work rate (certainly towards the end of the game) was good, although no greater than the level I expect from any of our players - especially one of the freshest players on the pitch!

Negatives:

• Apart from the above he contributed nothing else of note. Absolutely nothing
• In terms of chances created, he actually created less chances than the guy whom he replaced.

Objective enough?

Backtrack of the century

 

[E17yid]

I think in general people are becoming a little more objective about Lamela in the main. Not as many hysterical fanboys about.

Probably not, but for every "fan boy" there seems to be a fan that lies in wait for a marquee signing to fall flat on his face. As Main Man so clearly revels in, hence his first post after the Villa game but then several posts later (after getting called out on it) backtracked and said "I do accept the positive things he does"

He's fucking annoying

 

[Main Man]

I have acknowledged the positives he has brought to every game @E17yid.

I apologise if I haven't encompassed it all in one post.

I suggest we agree to disagree and move on.

 

[E17yid]

I have acknowledged the positives he has brought to every game @E17yid.

I apologise if I haven't encompassed it all in one post.

I suggest we agree to disagree and move on.

Sorry, I missed all the positives you made in your first post, post villa.

I must have misunderstood you when you said. Yet again Lamela produced nothing in a league game.

Ohh yeah, you later acknowledged some postives after people said you were chatting shit.

Sometimes it's good to just hold your hands up and say I was wrong to say that. If your first post was the opne you made later in the thread you would have had no problems from me and from anyone, I doubt

 

[Main Man]

Sorry, I missed all the positives you made in your first post, post villa.

I must have misunderstood you when you said. Yet again Lamela produced nothing in a league game.

Ohh yeah, you later acknowledged some postives after people said you were chatting shit.

Sometimes it's good to just hold your hands up and say I was wrong to say that. If your first post was the opne you made later in the thread you would have had no problems from me and from anyone, I doubt

I stand by my original post.

From an attacking point of view, we created less chances second half.

Yes we scored two goals, but those two goals were actually our only two shots on goal and realistically only came about because of the sending off and not Lamela's introduction.

That is only my observation. We all interpret the game differently.

 

[YiddoInPoland]

I didn't criticse his rabona.

How could anyone? It was an incredible piece of skill, and another glimpse of what Erik can potentially do.

I may have said that if that situation occurs again I would like to think he would just put his foot through it, but I think that would be a thought shared by most?

You can use stats as much as you like - they made Clint Dempsey look an unbelievable player and we know full well the reality of that.

Lamela, irrespective of goals/assists, and with his talent, should be one of our best players every game.

You mention Chadli, he is a player I rate quite highly. He could be so much better mind, but his level of performance has been decent this season.

I don't think you put it like that to be honest, and even that has a negative undertone to it, so indirectly you are, even with the sentence above.

If you do no want to count his goals and assists then you are basing your opinions on some lop sided logic, because, unlike other stats like pass completion and dribbles which are in the main useless these show a level of end product, more so then any other player pretty much, bar Chadli with regards to goals scored, and that is even when you put it he is not playing at his full potential, so where is you bar and what are you basing it on?

Yes he gives it away sometimes, a by product of trying to push forwards, his decisions making in this league at least is not quite right yet, but then there have been times where he has been very quick in his thought process and that has lead to chances being created and goals scores, the lowest denominator for this game. There are a few things he needs to improve on, but considering the cluster of shit from last season i am glad to have him playing and seeing him integrate more and more as each game goes by from both a footballing sense and just of general integration with his team mates.

For me there is a lot to come for him, i don't dismiss his faults, he has them no question, but i don't think being overly critical of every performance and simply looking for the negative aspects of his game services your argument at all.

 

[Main Man]

I don't think you put it like that to be honest, and even that has a negative undertone to it, so indirectly you are, even with the sentence above.

If you do no want to count his goals and assists then you are basing your opinions on some lop sided logic, because, unlike other stats like pass completion and dribbles which are in the main useless these show a level of end product, more so then any other player pretty much, bar Chadli with regards to goals scored, and that is even when you put it he is not playing at his full potential, so where is you bar and what are you basing it on?

Yes he gives it away sometimes, a by product of trying to push forwards, his decisions making in this league at least is not quite right yet, but then there have been times where he has been very quick in his thought process and that has lead to chances being created and goals scores, the lowest denominator for this game. There are a few things he needs to improve on, but considering the cluster of shit from last season i am glad to have him playing and seeing him integrate more and more as each game goes by from both a footballing sense and just of general integration with his team mates.

For me there is a lot to come for him, i don't dismiss his faults, he has them no question, but i don't think being overly critical of every performance and simply looking for the negative aspects of his game services your argument at all.

Statistically, Luka Modric was terrible offensively. Yet in reality he was incredible, and is the best footballer I have seen play for this club.

How does that suit your methodology?

Regarding Lamela, as I say, I have highlighted all aspects of his game, good and bad.

But unfortunately, the negatives are still considerably outweighing the positives.

In my opinion.

 

[Larryjanta]

Seriously, guys, I put MM on ignore months ago & it makes this thread a lot shorter and much more difficult to keep up with as you're all responding to posts I can't see - just put him ignore and then I can start reading posts that do not involve him and you will all find your blood pressure easing!

 

[E17yid]

I stand by my original post.

From an attacking point of view, we created less chances second half.

Yes we scored two goals, but those two goals were actually our only two shots on goal and realistically only came about because of the sending off and not Lamela's introduction.

That is only my observation. We all interpret the game differently.

Bold bit - so now you're upset that we converted our only 2 shots into goals, am I understanding you right?

And it didn't ONLY come about by Benteke's sending off, it may have helped, I'm sure it did, but the equaliser came from a Lamela corner so logic would suggest that Lamela's introduction did have an impact on the game.

 

[TheGreenLily]

I don't think you put it like that to be honest, and even that has a negative undertone to it, so indirectly you are, even with the sentence above.

If you do no want to count his goals and assists then you are basing your opinions on some lop sided logic, because, unlike other stats like pass completion and dribbles which are in the main useless these show a level of end product, more so then any other player pretty much, bar Chadli with regards to goals scored, and that is even when you put it he is not playing at his full potential, so where is you bar and what are you basing it on?

Yes he gives it away sometimes, a by product of trying to push forwards, his decisions making in this league at least is not quite right yet, but then there have been times where he has been very quick in his thought process and that has lead to chances being created and goals scores, the lowest denominator for this game. There are a few things he needs to improve on, but considering the cluster of shit from last season i am glad to have him playing and seeing him integrate more and more as each game goes by from both a footballing sense and just of general integration with his team mates.

For me there is a lot to come for him, i don't dismiss his faults, he has them no question, but i don't think being overly critical of every performance and simply looking for the negative aspects of his game services your argument at all.

What you are doing is give a guy a chance.

Problem is most people want instant success and well they can fuck off and suck my dirty cheesy helmet.

Not one person who is backing Lamela is saying that he doesn't need improvement... The problem is, people are slagging him off, because their bastard love child Lennon, who had 9 years at the clubs still needs to be given a chance... Or Townsend with his utterly piss poor finishing... has done the arse end of nothing... should be given a chance because he is British or the simple fact is, they haven't got over the Redknapp sacking and still sulking like little children and ignoring all the wrongs that HR did...

So fuck em and laugh at em, and if it all goes wrong with Lamela, at least we was man enough to give him a chance rather than writing off an entire career at our club based on just 10 league games.

 

[Main Man]

Bold bit - so now you're upset that we converted our only 2 shots into goals, am I understanding you right?

And it didn't ONLY come about by Benteke's sending off, it may have helped, I'm sure it did, but the equaliser came from a Lamela corner so logic would suggest that Lamela's introduction did have an impact on the game.

Seriously, you need to just stop. This is getting embarrassing.

I will never praise any professional footballer for putting in a percentage type corner like Lamela's on Sunday.

It requires no skill and actually shows a clear lack of confidence/willingness to take responsibility.

 

[TheGreenLily]

Bold bit - so now you're upset that we converted our only 2 shots into goals, am I understanding you right?

And it didn't ONLY come about by Benteke's sending off, it may have helped, I'm sure it did, but the equaliser came from a Lamela corner so logic would suggest that Lamela's introduction did have an impact on the game.

Because he can actually pass a fucking ball

 

[Chris12]

This is a Lamela thread. People need to stop protecting their favourite players by sniping at other players.

a) It was a genuine question
b) If people are going to attack him by comparing him to others, then people can defend him by comparing him to others

 

[E17yid]

Seriously, you need to just stop. This is getting embarrassing.

I will never praise any professional footballer for putting in a percentage type corner like Lamela's on Sunday.

It requires no skill and actually shows a clear lack of confidence/willingness to take responsibility.

If that were true we'd score with every corner wouldn't we. IN fact, every team in the country would, surely?

 

[TheGreenLily]

Seriously, you need to just stop. This is getting embarrassing.

I will never praise any professional footballer for putting in a percentage type corner like Lamela's on Sunday.

It requires no skill and actually shows a clear lack of confidence/willingness to take responsibility.

Because over the last 10 years we have been putting in a fantastic standard of corners in and scoring a tremendous amount of goals from these brilliant corners...

Do yourself a favour, shut up, your embarrassing the human race.

 

[E17yid]

Seriously, you need to just stop. This is getting embarrassing.

I will never praise any professional footballer for putting in a percentage type corner like Lamela's on Sunday.

It requires no skill and actually shows a clear lack of confidence/willingness to take responsibility.

This last bold bit just shows how little you know as well. For most teams across the world the player who takes the set pieces are usually the top boys.