Leandro Damiao

[rabbikeane]

Crouch and Pav were just poor investments, we all knew Crouch wasn't worth the money paid

Why couldn't Harry and whoever else see that Crouch wasn't worth the money spent on him? pretty much every Spurs fan who'd watched him for years in the PL knew he wasn't

hm Crouch did well for us, scored the goals to get us into Champions League, was key in our CL campaign, paired well with van der Vaart, sold with profit

 

[Mullers]

To be fair it's not really the price range that has been the problem with our striker signing, it's the choice of player we decided to spend that money on

Defoe and Keane were desperation signings to avoid relegation and Harry style go with what you know safe signings.

Crouch and Pav were just poor investments, we all knew Crouch wasn't worth the money paid and I remember the day we signed Pav a Russian football expert was question on Talksport about him and his chances of success and he said basically that he doubted he would suit Spurs and English football (and listed a varitey of reasons as to why because of his playing style etc) and every word he said basically was proven right by his stay at the club

The point is there's something wrong with that decision making, why couldn't our scouts see what the Russian football expert saw in terms of Pav's suitability and value to us at £14m?

Why couldn't Harry and whoever else see that Crouch wasn't worth the money spent on him? pretty much every Spurs fan who'd watched him for years in the PL knew he wasn't

It's not the money spent, it's the player you spend the money on that counts

As for Leandro, if we sign him I'd like it to be because our scouts have really done their homework on him and have justified reason to believe he's suitable to our team and our league and will be a success.

I am no expert on scouting or south american football, I can only raise my own personally doubts in as far as he hasn't actually looked that good whenever I have watched him play (maybe I was expecting too much or hoping for too much thinking he'd be a SPurs player soon)

Doubts also around the fact that he's lost his Brazil place too older past their sale by date strikers having previously established himself as a national team striker and that his goal scoring record has largely come at a level considered to be lower than that he'd need to produce at in our team.

I'm only putting figures that I believe represent value against the level of risk involved by his unknown qualities and elements of doubt on him. I think £20m would be too much of a gamble personally, I suspect so does Levy and that is probably why we've constantly bartered with them and ended up with no striker window in window out

I hope the scouts who have determined him to be a good fit for us are better judges than those who thought Pav would be and of course I will back him and give him a clean slate if he does sign for us, I am just saying I have my doubts personally and I'd probably prefer us to persue other potential targets if his fee was much north of £10m

We don't even have a head scout at the moment. I don't understand how we can sign a manager in a matter of days/ weeks but take near enough the whole season to get a head scout and director of football. I am very bored of the Damiao saga, if Levy misses out again and we end up with nothing, I'll be really pissed off.

 

[dontcallme]

To be fair it's not really the price range that has been the problem with our striker signing, it's the choice of player we decided to spend that money on

Defoe and Keane were desperation signings to avoid relegation and Harry style go with what you know safe signings.

Crouch and Pav were just poor investments, we all knew Crouch wasn't worth the money paid and I remember the day we signed Pav a Russian football expert was question on Talksport about him and his chances of success and he said basically that he doubted he would suit Spurs and English football (and listed a varitey of reasons as to why because of his playing style etc) and every word he said basically was proven right by his stay at the club

The point is there's something wrong with that decision making, why couldn't our scouts see what the Russian football expert saw in terms of Pav's suitability and value to us at £14m?

Why couldn't Harry and whoever else see that Crouch wasn't worth the money spent on him? pretty much every Spurs fan who'd watched him for years in the PL knew he wasn't

It's not the money spent, it's the player you spend the money on that counts

As for Leandro, if we sign him I'd like it to be because our scouts have really done their homework on him and have justified reason to believe he's suitable to our team and our league and will be a success.

I am no expert on scouting or south american football, I can only raise my own personally doubts in as far as he hasn't actually looked that good whenever I have watched him play (maybe I was expecting too much or hoping for too much thinking he'd be a SPurs player soon)

Doubts also around the fact that he's lost his Brazil place too older past their sale by date strikers having previously established himself as a national team striker and that his goal scoring record has largely come at a level considered to be lower than that he'd need to produce at in our team.

I'm only putting figures that I believe represent value against the level of risk involved by his unknown qualities and elements of doubt on him. I think £20m would be too much of a gamble personally, I suspect so does Levy and that is probably why we've constantly bartered with them and ended up with no striker window in window out

I hope the scouts who have determined him to be a good fit for us are better judges than those who thought Pav would be and of course I will back him and give him a clean slate if he does sign for us, I am just saying I have my doubts personally and I'd probably prefer us to persue other potential targets if his fee was much north of £10m

Completely agree.

It's about spending smart rather than big. AVB comes across as quite meticulous and I'm sure he knows what he needs.

If our new striker costs £2m or £20m I don't care. We just need the right guy based on our needs rather than basing it on the fact the new player is an international.

I'd really like Michu as I believe his work rate and adaptability would allow him to play AM or striker.

I've no idea about Leandro personally but I'd be excited as hearing we've signed a young Brazilian international. Just hope it's who AVB wants and what he needs.

 

[AngerManagement]

Signing a striker for £20m doesn't automatically make him good enough though.
Scouts and AVB must do their job thoroughly and make sure we go for the right target.
If they succeed it doesn't really matter if he cost 10 or 20,
but there's a degree of risk involved, and paying top money can set us back for a couple of years if said player fail.

YEa that's pretty much my point

The money must reflect the risk and it's who the money is spent on not the money spent which is the key factor

My opening statement was that I personally am not sure Leandro represents value at a range between £15m-£20m because of the level of risk and doubt that comes with him

I also said I am not an expert on scouting or judging player potential so I hope that if our scouting teams determine he is worth that sort of money they're making a better judgement than whoever determined Pav would be a good fit and worth £14m

I see Leandro as worth signing for around £10m maybe up to £12m because he's more likely to retain a decent percentage of that value even if he is not that successful with us and would therefore be worth the gamble as a young striker with potential.

Although it would have been easier had Ade been in decent form so Leandro could come in as the second striker at first allowing for a period of adjustment and slow intergration like Sandro was afforded when he came from Brazil

(but then Sandro too came for a price which reflected the fact he was a young player with potential which again supports my reasoning for only signing Leandro if his price represents value for what he is.....a young player with potential)

 

[AngerManagement]

hm Crouch did well for us, scored the goals to get us into Champions League, was key in our CL campaign, paired well with van der Vaart, sold with profit

fair enough, I think we should just say you definition of doing well differs from mine

Personally for the money we spent Crouch was not the player we should have bought in my opinion, yes he played a role and did a job (goal against Man City to secure CL, hattrick against Young Boys to secure actual CL football and goal in Milan to bring a glorious moment in the clubs history) I'm not looking to dismiss what he did, but still he wasn't a success in terms of the position we were in and the money we were spending for what we needed to really kick on at the time

 

[WiganSpur]

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11675/8616710/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
Certainly doesn't sound like we're trying to tie anything up early

 

[Barry Mead]

Signing a striker for £20m doesn't automatically make him good enough though.
Scouts and AVB must do their job thoroughly and make sure we go for the right target.
If they succeed it doesn't really matter if he cost 10 or 20,
but there's a degree of risk involved, and paying top money can set us back for a couple of years if said player fail.

Well we don't know that Levy is going to offer anything like that if he does manage to do a deal, but you are right that we need to know what we are buying regardless of the price. Simply signing any player without really studying him and having a role for can become a complete waste of time and money

That said we have been tracking Leandro way back when we were trying to tie up Sandro, before he gained his Brazil caps and started scoring a decent number of goals. Given that we still seem to be chasing him suggests he's one of the most watched targets we have. That is a big comfort, I like the look of him and he has good physical strengths and decent skills and looks a pretty complete striker, but how consistently a player plays at his better level is what makes a player a good or a bad player and it's nice to think our scouts have a good idea as it's hard to watch too many games to keep track

 

[AngerManagement]

how impressive is his goal scoring record?

I am not an expert on the Brazilian league but from what I have read on here there are a lot of matches where by he would be playing against very weak opposition so that would leave potential for his record to be padded and yet overall he has scored 28 goals in 72 matches (closer to 1 in 3 than 1 in 2 at a weaker level)

And his international record is a mighty 2 goals from 14 caps (maybe that tells a tale of why he lost his international place)

Great record for Brazil U23 at a goal a game but I saw all his Olympic appearances and aside from having that knack to be in the right place at the right time I wasn't overly impressed (plus what does performances at that level really tell you?)

I can only again repeat that I am not convinced by this guy, he could be a star but I don't really want us to waste anymore time on him if his club aren't going to match our valuation we should move on, nor do I think we should raise our offer to match their value anything close to £20m (far too risky)

 

[allatsea]

hm Crouch did well for us, scored the goals to get us into Champions League, was key in our CL campaign, paired well with van der Vaart, sold with profit

My understanding is that we had to pay Crouch four million pounds to go to Stoke. When that is offset against the fee we received we made a loss surely ?

 

[Barry Mead]

how impressive is his goal scoring record?

I am not an expert on the Brazilian league but from what I have read on here there are a lot of matches where by he would be playing against very weak opposition so that would leave potential for his record to be padded and yet overall he has scored 28 goals in 72 matches (closer to 1 in 3 than 1 in 2 at a weaker level)

And his international record is a mighty 2 goals from 14 caps (maybe that tells a tale of why he lost his international place)

Great record for Brazil U23 at a goal a game but I saw all his Olympic appearances and aside from having that knack to be in the right place at the right time I wasn't overly impressed (plus what does performances at that level really tell you?)

I can only again repeat that I am not convinced by this guy, he could be a star but I don't really want us to waste anymore time on him if his club aren't going to match our valuation we should move on, nor do I think we should raise our offer to match their value anything close to £20m (far too risky)

Difficult to put a real handle on it unless you really study South American football because they play in a mix of competitions and according to Wiki until this season he had played in 139 games for Internacional and scored 82 goals

As you say the opposition is questionable, but to be fair you can say the same about the likes of the Portugese and Dutch leagues. You really can only go on the player and his strengths and perceived strengths and ability to adapt

 

[AngerManagement]

Difficult to put a real handle on it unless you really study South American football because they play in a mix of competitions and according to Wiki until this season he had played in 139 games for Internacional and scored 82 goals

As you say the opposition is questionable, but to be fair you can say the same about the likes of the Portugese and Dutch leagues. You really can only go on the player and his strengths and perceived strengths and ability to adapt

Yea Dutch league being a perfect example of how you really need to be able to scout player skill/ability/suitability above and beyond what the stats say on paper

For example there's a big difference between the suitability of Suarez with his 81 goals from 110 games for Ajax and Kezman's 105 goals from 122 games for PSV even though both would seem highly impressive in the Dutch league.

 

[rabbikeane]

My understanding is that we had to pay Crouch four million pounds to go to Stoke. When that is offset against the fee we received we made a loss surely ?

haven't heard that before

still happy we signed him though, best time as a spurs supporter wouldn't happen without him,
not a given we'd make 4th even if it was Rooney we'd have in stead of Crouch,after all City didn't make it with Tevez in their team, lot of limitations in Crouch's game but he's extreme at what he's good at

 

[sunnydelight786]

Tancredi Palmeri‏@tancredipalmeri53m
Leandro Damiao in advanced talks with Napoli, which at the moment is definitely ahead of Tottenham to sign him

 

[Barry Mead]

Tancredi Palmeri‏@tancredipalmeri53m
Leandro Damiao in advanced talks with Napoli, which at the moment is definitely ahead of Tottenham to sign him

and yet today Napoli are linked with both Jovetic and Negredo, they won't be signing all three and even if they sell Cavani for a big price I'd be surprised if they spend what it would take to get two

sounds more like agents stirring things up on the back of Cavani speculation

 

[Ghost Hardware]

and yet today Napoli are linked with both Jovetic and Negredo, they won't be signing all three and even if they sell Cavani for a big price I'd be surprised if they spend what it would take to get two

sounds more like agents stirring things up on the back of Cavani speculation

Completely agree and Tancredi is a mug, I'm still waiting for Sneijder to turn up at the Lane... "Sorry boss there where tube delays". In all serious I would love Jovetic at spurs, it pisses me off every time I see Arsenal linked to the kid.

 

[Barry Mead]

Completely agree and Tancredi is a mug, I'm still waiting for Sneijder to turn up at the Lane... "Sorry boss there where tube delays". In all serious I would love Jovetic at spurs, it pisses me off every time I see Arsenal linked to the kid.

Yeah I don't get to watch much Serie A but what I have seen of him he has a certain something about him that makes him in some ways quite a unique goal threat. He offers something a bit different and looks the type of player that could find openings against the teams that play a tight defensive game and pull players behind the ball and those are the critical games where unless you have a key to unlock them you can lose valuable points. Thankfully we have Bale but the more the merrier imo, can't have too much flair and invention

 

[Syn_13]

Completely agree and Tancredi is a mug, I'm still waiting for Sneijder to turn up at the Lane... "Sorry boss there where tube delays". In all serious I would love Jovetic at spurs, it pisses me off every time I see Arsenal linked to the kid.

Jovetic is one of my favourite players in Serie A, really is a special player and at the right club he can be truly world class. I'm desperate for either Spurs or Juve to sign him, if he goes to Arsenal I will be devestated.

 

[DezFitz]

and yet today Napoli are linked with both Jovetic and Negredo, they won't be signing all three and even if they sell Cavani for a big price I'd be surprised if they spend what it would take to get two

sounds more like agents stirring things up on the back of Cavani speculation

I fancy us to make a move for Jovetic if we make the champions league. I would love it if he came to us instead of going to arsenal.

 

[dimiSpur]

We're going to have a whole summer of Leandro rumours, are you guys really starting this early?? Sadomasochism at its most extreme!

 

[matthew.absurdum]

We're going to have a whole summer of Leandro rumours, are you guys really starting this early?? Sadomasochism at its most extreme!

This is the main reason why I don't mind Napoli really buy him. I don't want to see his name in rumours anymore