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Fernandes wants apology over Romero handball: 'I'll be sitting here'

Bruno Fernandes says he’ll be waiting for an apology from refereeing chief Jon Moss over a decision Manchester United were not given in the game against Tottenham Hotspur. In the 26th minute of the game, the ball appeared to strike Cristian Romero’s hand in the box from an Alejandro Garnacho...

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United fans will probably want an apology for is terrible miss when he had a free header in the 6 yard box.

Cry more Bruno!

 

[$hoguN]

I don't believe Fernandes is overrated. Personally think they shouldn't be sending him out wide but playing him in the 10 and building the team around him.

Problem with that is where do Eriksen and Mount fit in. Does that formation get the best out of Antony, Rashford, Sancho etc.

ETH clearly doesn’t know

 

[BorjeSpurs]

 

[Happyhammy]

Think we have all been guilty of this but not on a public platform
My holiday swear jar gets a boost everytime I watch a football match

 

[Japhet]

Great to hear ETH whining about the pen they didn't get. Could easily have been a pen but so was the Romero one.

Got his Wenger goggles on.

 

[Timberwolf]

I would've preferred Tan Hag over ejther Jose or Conte but am very glad to have Ange over him right now.

Not a very charismatic or likeable guy and him being given control of transfers, as seems to be the case at United, would've been a disaster at Spurs.

 

[Spursh]

Aside from Bruno being entirely insufferable, he’s also just not good enough. Yes, he can pick out a pass with time and space, but he can’t retain possession, can’t operate in tight spaces, and lacks the athleticism to cover central spaces effectively.

But considering all that, he’s seemingly undroppable - more so now as he’s captain. A white elephant of a player.

Also, Antony is just awful. Showboat player. Incredible they spent the money they did on him. Very bad call from ten Haag.

 

[Japhet]

Hard to believe, but Bruno F becomes more of a **** every time I watch him play or hear him speak. What an utterly insufferable wanker he's become.

 

[djhotspur]

Yeah but I don’t understand why they wanted him. He barely scored or assisted in a rampant Ajax team in the Dutch league. Very strange

 

[punkisback]

Mason Mount. Honest to god what does he do as a footballer. When he first got into the Chelsea team he made good runs and got himself into dangerous positions and scored a good number of goals.

However, that quickly changed and he became this nothing player in midfield that is neither good enough in a 2 and not good enough as a number 10. Therefore he is basically rendered useless.

I try to look at the attributes of footballers, and apart from good fitness he has zero. He can’t pass, no creativity, no speed, doesn’t shoot or score anymore and he will always put in 1 or 2 dangerous challenges per game. M

£70m for him is the biggest waste of money in the premier league this season by some distance.

He’s winks with an engine and highlights

 

[rossdapep]

I would've preferred Tan Hag over ejther Jose or Conte but am very glad to have Ange over him right now.

Not a very charismatic or likeable guy and him being given control of transfers, as seems to be the case at United, would've been a disaster at Spurs.

I really rate Ten Hag and did want him here back in 21.

But you are right about the transfers.

He has been a bit like Poch and only had his eyes on one particularly player.

I can think of about 10 players who can do what Mount does and wouldnt have cost what they paid.

The Frenkie De Jong chase was odd. I mean, was that the only player who can do what is required?

But then the Antony transfer is on another level.

I thought Antony may be a decent punt for us back in 21 but at 20-30m as he does have quality but at the same time has a lot of significant areas for improvenent.

To then get quoted 80m or whatever it was and not be deterrred is really odd.

There are at least 20 wingers who would have been cheaper and offered more, potentially with a higher ceiling too.

To be so fixed on 1 player is a bit red flag because you are essentially saying "I can't make it work without this one player"

All coaches should be able to work with different types of profile if their preferred option isnt possible.

 

[Timberwolf]

I really rate Ten Hag and did want him here back in 21.

But you are right about the transfers.

He has been a bit like Poch and only had his eyes on one particularly player.

I can think of about 10 players who can do what Mount does and wouldnt have cost what they paid.

The Frenkie De Jong chase was odd. I mean, was that the only player who can do what is required?

But then the Antony transfer is on another level.

I thought Antony may be a decent punt for us back in 21 but at 20-30m as he does have quality but at the same time has a lot of significant areas for improvenent.

To then get quoted 80m or whatever it was and not be deterrred is really odd.

There are at least 20 wingers who would have been cheaper and offered more, potentially with a higher ceiling too.

To be so fixed on 1 player is a bit red flag because you are essentially saying "I can't make it work without this one player"

All coaches should be able to work with different types of profile if their preferred option isnt possible.

Yeah and this is part of the reason Ange is such a good fit for us (and Levy specifically).

He's worked at every level of the game and has learned to be philosophical and pragmatic about recruitment. He has specific traits he wants in players but isn't going to lose his shit if we don't get his first choice pick and will just get on with coaching the players he's got.

If ETH had come here and, God forbid, we'd relented and signed Antony that would've set us back for years whereas United can just spend another 80m on that position a couple of years later.

 

[dontcallme]

Utd are a good example of what happens when you spend without a plan.

Signings under Moyes, LVG and Mourinho were all over the place. So much money spent, most of it wasted.

For a short period they looked to be building something under OGS then they spent big on Ronaldo who was the opposite of what they were building and OGS's tenure came to a quick end.

ETH is much the same. They wanted Antony, which as an option was fine, but to spend so big on him was a huge gamble. In his first season we saw how good Bruno Fernandes can be. Now he's being pushed out wide to accommodate others.

There's just no team structure there.

Under Ferguson, Utd were top dogs in England. 1st in line for big signings. Ferguson got a lot of the big signings right.

They're no longer top dog but still have huge money. Without a plan, they'll continue to be all over the place.

 

[mpickard2087]

As Neville said yesterday (more times than was needed) they've got a great midfielder in Fernandez, but play him on the wing.

I don't believe Fernandes is overrated. Personally think they shouldn't be sending him out wide but playing him in the 10 and building the team around him.

Fernandes is the type though that is always trying to force the play. Spams a lot of killer balls, eventually something will come off, but inevitably will turnover possession a lot and absolutely isn't the person you rely on to be your controller who everything runs through.

Successful players of this ilk in other teams have the platform around them to make use of the skillset. De Bruyne is a bit of a "Hollywood Ball" spammer, but he's had David Silva (and then Gundogan) next to him as a controller, usually played in a box midfield set up to dominate possession, and often wide players like Grealish and Bernardo Silva selected because they keep the ball better and further aid the control of proceedings and mean City can feed KDB at will in the areas where he can do most damage.

Trent at Liverpool is another who has had license to spam crosses and killer passes, because Liverpool have had hardworking support act midfielders who lock down, control, and he gets endless opportunity to do it.

Dele Alli once upon a time for us, different sort of player but took endless high risk high flair options and fucked the ball away aplenty every single game. He had Eriksen playing off the right hand side though as the controller, a good pressing team and strong midfield behind him, and the platform and endless supply of ball that allowed him to do his thing, eventually something would come off.

Man Utd's problem is they like to use Fernandes alongside three inconsistent wasteful speedsters up front. No one there controls the game or the ball and puts them in the right position on the pitch. If they want to play all of those players really they should just play on the counter attack. To go and buy Mount, another forward runner 8/10, instead of a strong partner for Casemiro in a cm2, seems pretty bonkers.

 

[dirtyh]

Yeah we’ve had the odd flop over the years but fuck me United pay top dollar for complete shit. How much was Antony again? Jfc.

 

[dontcallme]

Very interested to see how Casemiro does this season.

Last season there were questions on spending such big money on a 30 year old with such a long contract. Last season he was excellent. Yesterday he couldn't keep up with Bissouma and Sarr. Maybe it's just a one off game.

Recent big money signings:

Hojlund £75m
Onana £52m
Mount £64m
Antony £80m
Casemiro £70m
Martinez £57m
Sancho £80m
Varane £35m

Some of those might be in Euros.

That's around £500m on 8 1st team players added to huge spending in the previous seasons.

How haven't they put a team together?

 

[TheChosenOne]

Yeah we’ve had the odd flop over the years but fuck me United pay top dollar for complete shit. How much was Antony again? Jfc.

I think it all started when Tommy Docherty bought Chris McGrath from us for £35k in 1976, robbed ‘em blind we did.

 

[Whazam]

Very interested to see how Casemiro does this season.

Last season there were questions on spending such big money on a 30 year old with such a long contract. Last season he was excellent. Yesterday he couldn't keep up with Bissouma and Sarr. Maybe it's just a one off game.

Recent big money signings:

Hojlund £75m
Onana £52m
Mount £64m
Antony £80m
Casemiro £70m
Martinez £57m
Sancho £80m
Varane £35m

Some of those might be in Euros.

That's around £500m on 8 1st team players added to huge spending in the previous seasons.

How haven't they put a team together?

Makes me feel slightly better about our transfers in the last couple of years.

But it is also scary that they will seemingly spend whatever. Sooner or later they will accidentally get it right.

 

[rossdapep]

Fernandes is the type though that is always trying to force the play. Spams a lot of killer balls, eventually something will come off, but inevitably will turnover possession a lot and absolutely isn't the person you rely on to be your controller who everything runs through.

Successful players of this ilk in other teams have the platform around them to make use of the skillset. De Bruyne is a bit of a "Hollywood Ball" spammer, but he's had David Silva (and then Gundogan) next to him as a controller, usually played in a box midfield set up to dominate possession, and often wide players like Grealish and Bernardo Silva selected because they keep the ball better and further aid the control of proceedings and mean City can feed KDB at will in the areas where he can do most damage.

Trent at Liverpool is another who has had license to spam crosses and killer passes, because Liverpool have had hardworking support act midfielders who lock down, control, and he gets endless opportunity to do it.

Dele Alli once upon a time for us, different sort of player but took endless high risk high flair options and fucked the ball away aplenty every single game. He had Eriksen playing off the right hand side though as the controller, a good pressing team and strong midfield behind him, and the platform and endless supply of ball that allowed him to do his thing, eventually something would come off.

Man Utd's problem is they like to use Fernandes alongside three inconsistent wasteful speedsters up front. No one there controls the game or the ball and puts them in the right position on the pitch. If they want to play all of those players really they should just play on the counter attack. To go and buy Mount, another forward runner 8/10, instead of a strong partner for Casemiro in a cm2, seems pretty bonkers.

Exactly. I have always said this about Fernandes when others bemoaned us not signing him.

we have lacked control in midfield since Dembele and Wanyama.
Fernandes would not have given us that and as you say its his volume of forward passes that get him those assists/goals but ask him to just keep possession and he isnt the player to do that.

I dont even think he is a great conductor in the final third as he will try about 5 balls over the top before one comes off rather than just keep the ball moving like Maddison was doing yesterday, which is sometimes more effective.

 

[ComfortablyNumb]

Very interested to see how Casemiro does this season.

Last season there were questions on spending such big money on a 30 year old with such a long contract. Last season he was excellent. Yesterday he couldn't keep up with Bissouma and Sarr. Maybe it's just a one off game.

Recent big money signings:

Hojlund £75m
Onana £52m
Mount £64m
Antony £80m
Casemiro £70m
Martinez £57m
Sancho £80m
Varane £35m

Some of those might be in Euros.

That's around £500m on 8 1st team players added to huge spending in the previous seasons.

How haven't they put a team together?

It is a lot of money, but Onana by himself makes it look a lot more like value for money!