Levy to blame - again

[NEVILLEB]

So, because we have, until this season, never been a top four team and have had a very astute chairman who has kept us self-sustaining by not falling into this trend of spunking far too much money on average players and their wages, you decide that because we understand how essential this is to survival as a club in the current climate but you don't, we're the total idiots?

Yeah, Nev, you've let your mouth run the head department today, huh? Brain off sick is it?

In the past we've bought expensive players, comparitive in spending to todays market i would imagine too, who have flopped and the staff have been lambasted for it. Now we are on the horizon of a new stadium, doing well in the champions league and you're acting like we're going backwards. For years we have been improving and yet now, after one very quiet tranfer window, we're fucked and it's all Levy's fault?

Grow up.

Even when the evidence is staring you in the face you can't see it.

Is this the same astute chairman who was flashing his cash all round Europe last night desperately trying to sign ANYONE! (Charlie Adam at 10:30pm is a fucking classic).

 

[spursontheloose]

Even when the evidence is staring you in the face you can't see it.

Is this the same astute chairman who was flashing his cash all round Europe last night desperately trying to sign ANYONE! (Charlie Adam at 10:30pm is a fucking classic).

Do other clubs not do last minute deals or something? Are we the only ones then? We got Peinaar in early and got khumalo as early as last summer basically so do'nt understand where your coming from with the whole Last minute thing.
Yes Charlie Adams did seem like a bit of a panic buy but maybe he would've been good for us? Did'nt work out so we do'nt know.

Just because we did'nt get a top striker does'nt mean that Levys a twat and that the way he does his business is wrong. Our finances are better than ever because of the way he does business and we are doing as well are because of the players he layed out cash for so after just 1 window without a prolific signing all of a sudden our Chairman is'nt any good!?

Bit kneejerk if you ask me mate!

 

[sloth]

There are some real numpties on here today. Not a one of them with an ounce of business sense. All giving out on a subject they know eff all about :clap:

 

[andyw362]

Even when the evidence is staring you in the face you can't see it.

Is this the same astute chairman who was flashing his cash all round Europe last night desperately trying to sign ANYONE! (Charlie Adam at 10:30pm is a fucking classic).

Tyring it on like an empty handed punter at 1.50am on a sunday morning.

 

[andyw362]

Levy has been pretty exceptional over the last few years if you ask me but that doesn't make him immune to criticism.

I seriously hope that all this wasn't one big underhanded ploy to give us a taste in terms of what it would be like to bid for these players but without a bigger stadium these wages would never be sustainable - with the OS being the more vialble and quicker avenue to seeing these possibilities realised. Levy starting to plant the seeds.

Do people honestly believe that Levy and co dont know what some of these guys are on wages wise? They would of known this information ages ago or whats the point in scouting/watching them etc...

They would know what targets are realistic in terms of financial considerations and would therefore have a list of realistic targets within a certain bracket having ticked all the boxes.

So if Forlan is on 140,000 a week, for instance, what makes Levy think he has a good chance of signing him for 80-90K a week...not to mention the tax law implications.

No point in them playing dumb, if they new they weren't going to get close in wages, or indeed if they new they had no real intention of offering bigger wages than some of our top earners, etc why are they wasting their time pursuing said target?

How do they honestly expect to conclude business on the last day of the window when they are miles apart in terms of that gap in wages?

They would of known about the size of these players wages before yesterday. Harry standing their talking about Forlan's wages yesterday frustrated me....as if this information had only come to light.


Doesn't stack up whatsoever.

We've been merked this window :grin:

Spot on Mr Pink. As usual we waste our time on players out of reach instead of going for players we can afford.

 

[Rocksuperstar]

Even when the evidence is staring you in the face you can't see it.

Is this the same astute chairman who was flashing his cash all round Europe last night desperately trying to sign ANYONE! (Charlie Adam at 10:30pm is a fucking classic).

Oh, i forgot, Levy has only been in charge of the club for one day, huh?

No, hang on, i think, if my addled memory serves, that when he came along we were 12th, had exchanged a fist full of debt for a liberal coating of Sugar-shit and were barely managing to scrape a win. Since then, we've not only become stable financially, we're now self sustaining. We have progressed in stages until we reach where we are now - competing with the best in Europe and not doing bad.

So, tell me, where abouts is it that you have the complaint? I mean, on the whole, his methods are working. Granted, he's had to eat humble pie on ocassion, but when it came to it, he was first one in line with his knife and fork. He's the owner, but he's also a fan.

Stop deciding his entire tenure as Chairman is a waste simply because this one transfer window hasn't produced fruit.

Give a man a fish, he'll eat for a day. Give a Spurs fan a fishing rod and he'll demand to know why he can't have a trawler and rights to all the fish in the North Sea.

Careful boys, some of you are starting to sound like Geordies.

 

[N17_spurs]

I went to bed last night embarrassed to be a spurs fan.

Levy scratching about for Adam trying to appease the fans. Harry had gone out for a meal he wasnt overly concerned.

I would rather no bid at all than the shambles that was the last ten minutes of last nights transfer window.

 

[SpurSince57]

There are some real numpties on here today. Not a one of them with an ounce of business sense. All giving out on a subject they know eff all about :clap:

I can't quite square Levy's apparent willingness to shell out £35m on Rossi (and apparently even Carroll!) with the accusations of tight-fistedness.

 

[Rocksuperstar]

I went to bed last night embarrassed to be a spurs fan.

Levy scratching about for Adam trying to appease the fans. Harry had gone out for a meal he wasnt overly concerned.

I would rather no bid at all than the shambles that was the last ten minutes of last nights transfer window.

Does that not say to you that perhaps your concern is misplaced? If Harry is confident to carry on the second half of the season with the squad he has, why are you so confident of doom?

Pessimism is a horrible affliction. I don't think it's treatable either, but it can develop into Emo.

Sorry, "scene"

:|

 

[Mr Pink]

Oh, i forgot, Levy has only been in charge of the club for one day, huh?

No, hang on, i think, if my addled memory serves, that when he came along we were 12th, had exchanged a fist full of debt for a liberal coating of Sugar-shit and were barely managing to scrape a win. Since then, we've not only become stable financially, we're now self sustaining. We have progressed in stages until we reach where we are now - competing with the best in Europe and not doing bad.

So, tell me, where abouts is it that you have the complaint? I mean, on the whole, his methods are working. Granted, he's had to eat humble pie on ocassion, but when it came to it, he was first one in line with his knife and fork. He's the owner, but he's also a fan.

Stop deciding his entire tenure as Chairman is a waste simply because this one transfer window hasn't produced fruit.

Give a man a fish, he'll eat for a day. Give a Spurs fan a fishing rod and he'll demand to know why he can't have a trawler and rights to all the fish in the North Sea.

Careful boys, some of you are starting to sound like Geordies.

I think most people have the ability to recognise that Levy has done well to date, very well all things considered.

The real question is have we given ourselves the best possible chance of consolidating a top 4 finish this season - off the back of last season? Did we pursue that much needed striker last summer actively enough? Many still thought it needed addressing despite our success last season, so its not as if people are only moaning now because of the impotence this season. Its merely been exacerbated - significantly.

Now we have people praying for one this window when business is harder to conclude fo obvious reasons.

I think these are justifiable questions as many had the foresight over the summer to claim such concerns. Then VDV fell on our laps at the last minute (great signing)...but the dynamic of the team has changed so the effect of VDV hasn't been truly realised in terms of the overall effect of the team if that makes sense.

I understand the wages issue for 'big stars'...but surely we could of identified someone better than our current strikers for reasonable wages...Suarez comes to mind, maybe not a great example given his style but you take my point.

We had a massive opportunity to strengthen in this area last summer but we stood still. We may not have this chance again to use the CL as a draw for our Club for a very long time.

The reality is if the strikeforce doesn't start firing soon we wont get near top 4 this season.

I can see why a lot of people are dissappointed and you do have to question why this area of the side wasn't upgraded last summer when we had the chance.

 

[midoNdefoe]

We've done very well by DL over the last few seasons but the fact is that him and his uncle will never be satisfied with the immense wealth they hold and will always want to own more courtesy of mugs like us who support THFC .

Thats not enough for them though , they would transport our club from it's spiritual home East to a wasteland to swell their coffers and egos a bit more .

Thanks for stopping us doing a Leed's DL but it's time to say goodbye .

I think you are blinding yourself with knee-jerk reactions...

I would rather you didnt "support" spurs, than DL leave...

Would you rather spend £200m and throw another £200m down the drain, or just spend £200m?
Use your head for a moment to see staying at WHL is so far out of reach, if we want a new stadium without it affecting transfer budgets...

Then again maybe we should stay, redevelop, not spend any money on players, get on the players/ managers back about the lack of results, sack everyone, and start 10 years of transition....??!

Would that satisfy you???

 

[Bulletspur]

We've done very well by DL over the last few seasons but the fact is that him and his uncle will never be satisfied with the immense wealth they hold and will always want to own more courtesy of mugs like us who support THFC .

Thats not enough for them though , they would transport our club from it's spiritual home East to a wasteland to swell their coffers and egos a bit more .

Thanks for stopping us doing a Leed's DL but it's time to say goodbye .

You would not be in a position to criticise if it werent for DL, because THFC would not be where they are today without his and AS input and chairmanship. We would have been a bancrupt club outside the EPL, so a bit of appreciation would not go amiss.

 

[striebs]

You would not be in a position to criticise if it werent for DL, because THFC would nto be where they are today without his and AS input and chairmanship. Wew would have been bancrupt club outside the EPL, so a bit of appreciation would not go amiss.

He inherited a mess from Sugar who in turn inherited a mess from Scholar .

Being based in London gives Spurs massive advantages over clubs in the provinces . We can charge far more for tickets and London is more of a draw to cosmopolitan players than Newcastle .

In that light I think he has done well but not exceptionally so as many on here seem to believe .

Why do you think that without Levy we would be a bankrupt club out of the EPL ? That has not happened to many other big clubs so why would it have happened to Tottenham without ?

 

[sloth]

I can't quite square Levy's apparent willingness to shell out £35m on Rossi (and apparently even Carroll!) with the accusations of tight-fistedness.

People are obviously disappointed - I know I am - but some of the shite that passes for comment on this forum today is frankly embarrassing.

Fortunately the vast majority of fans will never get within a million miles of owning our club. And they'd hate it if they ever did.

Opinion without responsibility is what they want. The ability to blame without ever having to be accountable for a single decision.

Taking it away from Spurs for a moment, where we're all blinded by our passion and look at a club like Newcastle. Right now I know a few Newcastle fans who are feeling close to suicidal, they feel Ashley's sold them down the river again and that Carroll was going to be another Shearer for him if he'd stayed.

But every other football fan can see what a tremendous piece of business that was from Newcastle, £35m for a player with 5 months Premier League experience and who is currently injured! That's a stupendous amount. And if they'd kept him? Well we'll never know, but one thing's for sure they weren't going to win anything soon and we all know that without CL footy you can't keep hold of you CL quality players. So either Carroll would have flopped and they'd have missed their chance, or he'd have done well, they'd have lost him anyway and maybe for a lesser fee (Liverpool were desperate).

But Newcastle fans feel betrayed and even if the money goes towards signing three players which bring them that much closer to the top six clubs they won't be reconciled to the sale, or even see where the credit really lies.

Because fans are like children, from the stadium debate, to transfer targets, to jeers at the opposition and opinions about the team, we're kids. It's probably one of the reasons we all love football, it's one of the few areas in life where we're allowed to act like kids...

But you can't put kids in charge of the sweet shop we all know that...

Unfortunately today, when we're all disappointed, some of us are behaving like the worse kind of spoiled children. And I think they should for once grow up.

 

[HildoSpur]

Some incredibly fickle people on this..

 

[Bulletspur]

He inherited a mess from Sugar who in turn inherited a mess from Scholar .

Being based in London gives Spurs massive advantages over clubs in the provinces . We can charge far more for tickets and London is more of a draw to cosmopolitan players than Newcastle .

In that light I think he has done well but not exceptionally so as many on here seem to believe .

Why do you think that without Levy we would be a bankrupt club out of the EPL ? That has not happened to many other big clubs so why would it have happened to Tottenham without ?

My bad, I left out the word "probably". But it is my sincere belief that we would not be the club we are today with out him and sugar. Also Sugar got alot of criticism from fans because he had to make very tough and unpopular decisions to stop the rut we were heading. He stabilised the club before Levy took over.

 

[mpickard2087]

Some of the comments on here are ridiculous.

 

[Mr Pink]

People are obviously disappointed - I know I am - but some of the shite that passes for comment on this forum today is frankly embarrassing.

Fortunately the vast majority of fans will never get within a million miles of owning our club. And they'd hate it if they ever did.

Opinion without responsibility is what they want. The ability to blame without ever having to be accountable for a single decision.

Taking it away from Spurs for a moment, where we're all blinded by our passion and look at a club like Newcastle. Right now I know a few Newcastle fans who are feeling close to suicidal, they feel Ashley's sold them down the river again and that Carroll was going to be another Shearer for him if he'd stayed.

But every other football fan can see what a tremendous piece of business that was from Newcastle, £35m for a player with 5 months Premier League experience and who is currently injured! That's a stupendous amount. And if they'd kept him? Well we'll never know, but one thing's for sure they weren't going to win anything soon and we all know that without CL footy you can't keep hold of you CL quality players. So either Carroll would have flopped and they'd have missed their chance, or he'd have done well, they'd have lost him anyway and maybe for a lesser fee (Liverpool were desperate).

But Newcastle fans feel betrayed and even if the money goes towards signing three players which bring them that much closer to the top six clubs they won't be reconciled to the sale, or even see where the credit really lies.

Because fans are like children, from the stadium debate, to transfer targets, to jeers at the opposition and opinions about the team, we're kids. It's probably one of the reasons we all love football, it's one of the few areas in life where we're allowed to act like kids...

But you can't put kids in charge of the sweet shop we all know that...

Unfortunately today, when we're all disappointed, some of us are behaving like the worse kind of spoiled children. And I think they should for once grow up.

It was great business and fortunately Newcastle are in no real danger of going down. Had they been 6 points worse off I am not so sure it would of happened without a decent replacement brought in. The problem there is that there would be no value in doing business with everybody knowing they had just received 35 million - thats what Ashely would of been thinking.

I am dissappointed too but attempting to sign players way out of our reach wages wise on the last day or two of the window was always going to leave the masses really down. Futile if you ask me but onwards and upwards we'll fight on.

Lets just hope our strikeforce start sticking some goals in :grin: