Louis Van Gaal appointed Man Utd manager.

[Dirty Ewok]

What does that actually mean though?

Think they are saying that LvG can get his future settled before the WC with a blessing from the KNVB.

Given that the Dutch have a long history of imploding at major tournaments they may actually feel it better to have his future settled before the tournament rather than have it hanging over everyone's heads while the WC goes on.

 

[DaSpurs]

Given that the Dutch have a long history of imploding at major tournaments they may actually feel it better to have his future settled before the tournament rather than have it hanging over everyone's heads while the WC goes on.

An excellent point, frankly. The fact that they recently signed Hiddink to a contract certainly feeds into this. That's out of the way, and with LvG agreeing to a contract elsewhere, all involved could settle down and just focus on their ball in Brazil.

 

[SandroClegane]

Christ, people are so impatient. The club appointing a manager while Tim still technically has a year on his contract would be ridiculous.

 

[$hoguN]

Christ, people are so impatient. The club appointing a manager while Tim still technically has a year on his contract would be ridiculous.

If we know he is going, tying up his replacement is paramount.

 

[DaSpurs]

Christ, people are so impatient. The club appointing a manager while Tim still technically has a year on his contract would be ridiculous.

The situation already is ridiculous, and requires unusual actions as is in attempt to rectify it. If such an appointment keeps some of our best players from pining for moves elsewhere, and turns heads of our transfer targets, then it would do more good than usual.

 

[NEVILLEB]

Your post implied he would be a big loss, but I disagree as there are plenty of people who have a bigger impact at that level. Fair play to Tim for role in the academy, but the pros of totally removing him and stopping any possible back scene angling far out weigh the negative of losing him and Sherwood as coaches imo.

Are we really going to say that Levy and Redknapp are the best judge of coaches. Redknapp took Jamie to help him at Southampton and Levy is a money man.

It's unfortunate that the poor decision in appointing AVB has no also caused is to lose someone who had been highly rated in our youth system.

Just a mess.

 

[DaSpurs]

It's unfortunate that the poor decision in appointing AVB has no also caused is to lose someone who had been highly rated in our youth system.

Just a mess.

On the day he was officially hired I thought to myself that I hoped when he was replaced that he'd swallow his pride and take his old job back. He has turned our academy into one of the finest in England, and for that I will always be thankful to him.

 

[$hoguN]

On the day he was officially hired I thought to myself that I hoped when he was replaced that he'd swallow his pride and take his old job back. He has turned our academy into one of the finest in England, and for that I will always be thankful to him.

No he didn't. There are plenty of people who have had a far greater roles in the academy and to say "he has turned" does them an injustice.

 

[Dirty Ewok]

An excellent point, frankly. The fact that they recently signed Hiddink to a contract certainly feeds into this. That's out of the way, and with LvG agreeing to a contract elsewhere, all involved could settle down and just focus on their ball in Brazil.

I don't know that it would work, but the Dutch really do have some massive amount of drama at most of the major tourneys going back to the 60's. It is almost expected to happen. It didn't happen in 2010 and the team made it to the finals...however the manner in which they played in the tourney caused controversey because they weren't the fluid beautiful Brazilians of Europe but much more a thuggish physical side, seems that this pissed off some of the Dutch supporters....so they will find drama in anything they do.

LvG being courted by Spurs could serve as a media story that was a distraction to the team, but if he were to sign i have no doubt that if the team floundered then it would be blamed on LvG losing focus because he was preparing for Spurs instead of focusing on the Dutch team.

Regardless of which way it breaks it will end up being an excuse for the Dutch media to crucify LvG if the Dutch team crash out (and considering they don't look nearly as strong this year as they have been in the past and they are in a group with Spain and a dangerous "slip-up" side in Chile) is a possibility. The KNVB allowing LvG to settle his future would just be a move to attempt something different for once. Rather than creating a distraction they may be trying to prevent one.

 

[SandroClegane]

The situation already is ridiculous, and requires unusual actions as is in attempt to rectify it. If such an appointment keeps some of our best players from pining for moves elsewhere, and turns heads of our transfer targets, then it would do more good than usual.

But waiting until the end of the season won't make us lose LVG and won't make us look like ****s for dicking over Tim.

 

[DaSpurs]

No he didn't. There are plenty of people who have had a far greater roles in the academy and to say "he has turned" does them an injustice.

Oh? And what evidence can you provide to suggest he didn't have a significant role in adjusting the academy for the better?

 

[DaSpurs]

But waiting until the end of the season won't make us lose LVG and won't make us look like ****s for dicking over Tim.

Now that is a specific case, and entirely different from negotiating with a replacement while Tim is still in contract.

 

[Locotoro]

It is also the exact opposite of what Sherwood has been preaching at youth level about putting technique before physicality, so I am a little sceptical. The likes of Carroll, Mason, Ceballos and Pritchard are hardly man mountains.

Having said that I think a team of Dembeles may have been exactly what AVB had in mind.

Domination doesnt necessarily mean physical domination.

Iniesta and Xavi dominate midfields despite not being physical types

 

[DaSpurs]

Domination doesnt necessarily mean physical domination.

Iniesta and Xavi dominate midfields despite not being physical types

Agreed. We could have three big dudes in the middle that can muscle anyone off the ball, but if they can't maintain possession and integrate the attacking players, it means fuck all.

 

[sam1972]

Christ, people are so impatient. The club appointing a manager while Tim still technically has a year on his contract would be ridiculous.

cos that never happens

 

[jambreck]

Whilst certain members revel in Sherwood's demise perhaps they should remember that he had been doing a fantastic job in our youth system.

Our loss if he now decides to leave.

The success of our youth system really isn't down to Sherwood. Sorry, but it's just not.

The seeds were sown in 2004 and those most responsible are Arnesen (to some extent), the much maligned Comolli (to a greater extent) and John McDermott (especially). A number of the youth coaches and scouts also deserve great credit. Sherwood only joined the club in a coaching capacity in 2008 and it wasn't until a few years after that that he was given responsibility for the development squad. Even then, his role was very much to assimilate the promising youth team graduates we had into the senior game - either direct into the first team or on loan at a suitable club. He wasn't responsible for the actual scouting or development of young players.

All of that said, the one thing I have liked about Sherwood's approach to being first team coach is his trust in the younger players. That takes courage - even if, with Bentaleb, he didn't recognise that there will inevitably come a time when a young player needs to take a break from first team duty.

 

[SpartanSpur]

Interesting excerpt from that telegraph article. (Apologies if posted elsewhere)

"A number of Tottenham players are excited by the thought of 42-year-old Pochettino taking over, but fear Levy will ultimately try to get a big name."

Have to say it sounds rather shady about the players. I call bs from the journo there...

 

[Mullers]

It's unfortunate that the poor decision in appointing AVB has no also caused is to lose someone who had been highly rated in our youth system.

Just a mess.

Regardless of who the manager, Sherwood would've wanted a crack at being the manager at some point, he was never going to stay in his old role forever.

 

[jambreck]

Depends what age group. Under 21s are mid table this season. But lets not forget a lot of players have been sent out on loan or drafted into the first team.

Under 18s are top of the league.

Having watched our under 16s, 15s and 13s a few times. I must admit all our age groups are very impressive. Even at the youngest age groups training can be very technical. Our current training ethos is based on 1 v 1 domination. Even If you can pass the ball like Hoddle but you can't dominate your opponent you'll eventually be released.

By the way NONE of this has anything to do with Timmy!

Compared to other Prem teams our youth set up is very good. However compared to German teams we're miles behind!

Agreed with all except the final sentence.

I don't think the players we're currently producing are miles behind the young players that German clubs are producing. After all, our youth teams can go to international tournaments and beat teams from all over the world - including from Germany.

Where we're still failing by comparison to German clubs is in integrating our young players into the senior game.

 

[stevenurse]

Why would Klopp leave the Bundesliga for the Premiership, apart from a massive pay rise of course?

Because they keep selling his best players year after year and is a million miles behind bayern at present.