Louis Van Gaal appointed Man Utd manager.

[Hoddle&Waddle]

Anyone else think we should just go for FdB? He's basically the new LVG, and would be more long term appointment with probably less confrontation factor. Lets just say I'm not panicking too much about other Clubs sacking their Managers, because there's 3/4 Managers I'd be pretty happy with. Although the thought of the Arseholes getting both LVG and FdB would be a fucker lol.

 

[dagraham]

All teams in the premier league - no philosophy as far as I know.

Sorry, you're wrong there.

Chelsea have one : We are *****. And to be fair, it works seamlessly.

 

[TottenhamMattSpur]

Anyone else think we should just go for FdB? He's basically the new LVG, and would be more long term appointment with probably less confrontation factor. Lets just say I'm not panicking too much about other Clubs sacking their Managers, because there's 3/4 Managers I'd be pretty happy with. Although the thought of the Arseholes getting both LVG and FdB would be a fucker lol.

Be a gamble with FDB. Young one club manager. Could be brilliant, could be too soon.

 

[Klinsmannesque]

Anyone else think we should just go for FdB? He's basically the new LVG, and would be more long term appointment with probably less confrontation factor. Lets just say I'm not panicking too much about other Clubs sacking their Managers, because there's 3/4 Managers I'd be pretty happy with. Although the thought of the Arseholes getting both LVG and FdB would be a fucker lol.

Looking to the future maybe we are not ready for a long term project. If we have a young manager that proves to be successful, after a season or two he will be offered a top job and we have no way of keeping him, therefore the cycle starts again. I think we need a short term project with a long term view - experienced manager to steady us and try take us forward over the next few years whilst the stadium / youth project foundations are being layed. Then we will be in a position to attract a younger replacement with a more long term view as we have the infastructure and resources allowing him to achieve his ambitions with us. We've seen it happen with players over the years, whose to say management will be any different.

 

[Hoddle&Waddle]

Be a gamble with FDB. Young one club manager. Could be brilliant, could be too soon.

Yeah true, but at the same time we could miss out on somebody a bit special. He's not gonna be hanging around at Ajax much longer.

 

[Hoddle&Waddle]

Looking to the future maybe we are not ready for a long term project. If we have a young manager that proves to be successful, after a season or two he will be offered a top job and we have no way of keeping him, therefore the cycle starts again. I think we need a short term project with a long term view - experienced manager to steady us and try take us forward over the next few years whilst the stadium / youth project foundations are being layed. Then we will be in a position to attract a younger replacement with a more long term view as we have the infastructure and resources allowing him to achieve his ambitions with us. We've seen it happen with players over the years, whose to say management will be any different.

Yeah, some very good points you're making tbh.

 

[SpursDave88]

Looking to the future maybe we are not ready for a long term project. If we have a young manager that proves to be successful, after a season or two he will be offered a top job and we have no way of keeping him, therefore the cycle starts again. I think we need a short term project with a long term view - experienced manager to steady us and try take us forward over the next few years whilst the stadium / youth project foundations are being layed. Then we will be in a position to attract a younger replacement with a more long term view as we have the infastructure and resources allowing him to achieve his ambitions with us. We've seen it happen with players over the years, whose to say management will be any different.

This is true, if FdB came to Spurs and did well, within two years Barca would come calling and we would be powerless.

 

[TheAmerican]

If LVG does come in, you would really wonder what would happen with Ade. He's a spikey and I get the impression he craves attention. Afford it to him and he'll play for youu, don't and he simply won't.

I don't think it matters who comes in, I've had the feeling that Adebayor will be gone this summer, for a long time.

 

[Monkey boy]

I don't think it matters who comes in, I've had the feeling that Adebayor will be gone this summer, for a long time.

Nobody is gonna pay him £180k a week, therefore he stays with us unfortunately.

 

[jezz]

Maybe jezz is a Lady Gaga fan?

You can't read my poker face:dead:

 

[Glennsen]

If we are getting some one in to replace Tim we need a relatively young manager ... So who else can actually improve on what Tim has done so far? Its not an easy decision but a manager who has experience in the premier league is what we need now - not a manager who has been successful in a foreign league.

so you want a young manager with experience in the premier league. That rules out TS because 6 months is not beeing experience and well we tried AVB who fits both of the criteria. I do think we need the opposite a experienced manager, a man who can see the players in new light and be a caretaker of a squad who has a lot of potential, a lot of internationals, who has lost the plot this season. The best for that is a coach comming from outside the PL. TS is not the answer, rather more a statement that we all have lost the plot.

 

[SpursDave88]

I'm all for a club philosophy - a defined approach, a tactical make up and the recruitment of players who fit the tactical profile.

But is aiming for that practically feasible? Lets look at clubs around the world with a philosophy and see where we stand in comparison.

Barcelona - the epitome of a club with a philosophy - almost all the the players are in the first team are from La Masia. They have a defined tactical approach - the rotation philosophy - and all their players are molded based on that. Having said that they also have the best player in the world they use to unlock defenses when ball rotation - generally against packed defenses - is not successful. They are also helped by having about half of the teams in la Liga being happy if they don't lose by more than 3 goals against them. The events of the last few months - their performances in the league and champions league - also reflect the negative aspects of having an inflexible tactical approach.

Madrid - buy every one in the world who is a global superstar.

All teams in the premier league - no philosophy as far as I know.

Bayern - very strong academy - but no real playing philosophy. Basically they have most of the German national team and a few superstars added on. A strong manager - a la Pep - and they will deliver.

Dortmund - a high energy, pressing philosophy without the ball and high speed attacking with it. Devastating but needs to be tested against the West Hams of the world.

Ajax - again very strong academy and fairly consistent style and set up of play but limited financial strength means that all their players leave at the the first opportunity - Vertoghen, Eriksen etc.

Now I have to say we are not in the stage of evolution as a club as any of the above teams - we need a larger stadium, we have changed managers far too frequently. If we are getting some one in to replace Tim we need a relatively young manager who is used to having his players poached and in spite of the that being able to adhere to a successful, attractive style of play - very very ambitious in my view. Maybe Klopp but certainly not LVG in my view. Who else is out there - Mourinho wont come to us. So who else can actually improve on what Tim has done so far? AVB on paper was the ultimate fit - successful, well spoken, "tactically aware" - and we know how that panned out. Its not an easy decision but a manager who has experience in the premier league is what we need now - not a manager who has been successful in a foreign league.

In my view Tim should be given a chance with Baldini suggesting players based on his know how for positions where Tim feels we need strengthening.

Bollocks. Arsenal have a clear philosophy of coaching and purchasing technically gifted footballers to play a certain passing style. Liverpool are also developing a philosophy under Rodgers. Martinez and Pochettino have also taken only a short time to implement their own tactical imprint on the club. Tim doesn't even have his coaching badges, what has he done to deserve the job, what has he shown since getting it to prove he is the right man?!?! You don't preserve the status quo if it is insufficient just because "we have sacked too many managers in the past" that is a truly mindless way to do things. You are basically saying because we are not Barcelona, there is no point in trying to appoint a proper manager.

 

[rupsmith]

so you want a young manager with experience in the premier league. That rules out TS because 6 months is not beeing experience and well we tried AVB who fits both of the criteria. I do think we need the opposite a experienced manager, a man who can see the players in new light and be a caretaker of a squad who has a lot of potential, a lot of internationals, who has lost the plot this season. The best for that is a coach comming from outside the PL. TS is not the answer, rather more a statement that we all have lost the plot.

No issues with having an experienced manager coming in. But not from outside the PL - we have had enough damage done with the "foreign" managers - Santini, Ramos, AVB. The Premier League and even the Championship is a different kettle of fish. I wouldnt mind Harry back or maybe even - and I know people will shoot me down for this - Gianfranco Zola who has cut his teeth in the Championship or Dyche from Burnley or guys like that. I'm not sure - all im saying is someone who has experience working in the country and Tim seems to have done ok so far so why not keep him?

 

[phillipjpalmer]

What's saven bilic doing these days? He was touted back when croatia were doing well. and knows the premier league.

 

[rupsmith]

Bollocks. Arsenal have a clear philosophy of coaching and purchasing technically gifted footballers to play a certain passing style. Liverpool are also developing a philosophy under Rodgers. Martinez and Pochettino have also taken only a short time to implement their own tactical imprint on the club. Tim doesn't even have his coaching badges, what has he done to deserve the job, what has he shown since getting it to prove he is the right man?!?! You don't preserve the status quo if it is insufficient just because "we have sacked too many managers in the past" that is a truly mindless way to do things. You are basically saying because we are not Barcelona, there is no point in trying to appoint a proper manager.

What a load of complete crap. Surely the "philosophy" has to culminate in progress and success - do you see Arsenal's performance versus Everton - and this is after 15 years of applying the philosophy. Liverpool were absolutely awful last year, have played only once a week this year and have Luis Suarez - and now their progress is down to a developing philosophy?

What you are saying is just because we are not playing like Barcelona after 3.5 months of Tim being in charge - even though he has managed to carve out results - he should be sacked.

 

[nicdic]

No issues with having an experienced manager coming in. But not from outside the PL - we have had enough damage done with the "foreign" managers - Santini, Ramos, AVB. The Premier League and even the Championship is a different kettle of fish. I wouldnt mind Harry back or maybe even - and I know people will shoot me down for this - Gianfranco Zola who has cut his teeth in the Championship or Dyche from Burnley or guys like that. I'm not sure - all im saying is someone who has experience working in the country and Tim seems to have done ok so far so why not keep him?

 

[SugarRay]

To those that want a "long term project", what actually constitutes long term in modern day football?

LVG is 62. He could feasibly manage for another 6-7 years. To me, that's beyond long term in the current game!

 

[SpursDave88]

No issues with having an experienced manager coming in. But not from outside the PL - we have had enough damage done with the "foreign" managers - Santini, Ramos, AVB. The Premier League and even the Championship is a different kettle of fish. I wouldnt mind Harry back or maybe even - and I know people will shoot me down for this - Gianfranco Zola who has cut his teeth in the Championship or Dyche from Burnley or guys like that. I'm not sure - all im saying is someone who has experience working in the country and Tim seems to have done ok so far so why not keep him?

Because Mourinho, Wenger, Ancelotti, Mancini and Pellegrini are all foreign muck who should never have been appointed. What those teams really needed were managers who knew the English game, like Barry Fry or Dario Gradi or Paul Ince or John Sitton. I'm sure if Sit called Sergio Aguero a c*nt that would really inspire him to go out and give his all.

 

[danielneeds]

Yeah true, but at the same time we could miss out on somebody a bit special. He's not gonna be hanging around at Ajax much longer.

I'm not totally sure he is that special yet. Fantastic player, but still unproven as a manager. Saw his Ajax side get absolutely spanked by Red Bull Salzburg in the Europa League at home. It was 3-0 but could have been 10 such was their dominance. They just pressed the Ajax defence, similarly to what Liverpool and Everton did to Arsenal recently, and Ajax had no answer.

Ajax only really play a meaninful competitive fixture every month or so, Europe, Feyenord etc, the PL is a totally different beast.

 

[Klinsmannesque]

No issues with having an experienced manager coming in. But not from outside the PL - we have had enough damage done with the "foreign" managers - Santini, Ramos, AVB. The Premier League and even the Championship is a different kettle of fish. I wouldnt mind Harry back or maybe even - and I know people will shoot me down for this - Gianfranco Zola who has cut his teeth in the Championship or Dyche from Burnley or guys like that. I'm not sure - all im saying is someone who has experience working in the country and Tim seems to have done ok so far so why not keep him?

There is so much wrong with this post I am not sure where to start.