Loyal Spurs fan - sick of it all

[Rupstoh]

I am sick to the back teeth with the way this club is being run. We are financially sound with a great supporter base, both ST, Member and also Forever THFC.

The way it was handled, the Jol thing was a complete joke. And now this ground share thing???

Why, within Levy's mind, does he consider that sharing a ground with West Ham (if reports are correct, no smoke without fire by the way!) is going to work? The police costs on 'home' games will be massive and those losses will be passed on to us supporters.

Why, with Levy's recent attempt at business acumen, are we to assume that this is a good temporary move for two years?

I'll tell you why it's not.

Because as usual, it's 'on the cheap', just like some of the squad purchases. We've cut corners on everything for years only to be bitten very hard on the arse.

We've been successful with merchandise sales fuelled by contract sponsorship deals. The likes of Mansion and Puma do not have a bottomless pit of money, just like me.

Rumour has it that there are 3 bidders for this great club and Levy and Lewis are keeping their cards close to their chests if the ground share thing doesn't go ahead as the funding for a new stadium will be over 500 million quid, much of which will have to borrowed (250 million mg.

That's on the back of 30 million quid profit this season.

It's catch 22 for me.

I have supported this club since I was 6 years of age, 31 years as a season ticket holder with my dad.

If the proposals for ground share with West Ham does go ahead, PM me for my ticket as I won't ever go there as a home supporter.

Message to Levy: You have no idea about football supporters, feck off, leave the club, staff, management and players to be run by people who care about Tottenham Hotspur Football Club.

I am very angry at the moment so apologies for the rant, pissed off with the way us honest supporters are being totally milked, conned and lied to.

 

[milkman]

you're clearly not a loyal Spurs supporter then. If you were loyal you wouldn't slag off your team like this.

 

[Yid-ol]

The way it was handled, the Jol thing was a complete joke. And now this ground share thing???

so what would be the other options while we rebuild WHL? Wembly is out of the question, so it only leaves local clubs!

 

[southlondonyiddo]

I am very angry at the moment so apologies for the rant, pissed off with the way us honest supporters are being totally milked, conned and lied to.

Cant argue with much of that, especially the end bit.

 

[Rupstoh]

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you're clearly not a loyal Spurs supporter then. If you were loyal you wouldn't slag off your team like this.

Not slagging off the team if you actually bother to read it.

:bang:

 

[rich75]

so what do you suggest we do then?

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

you're clearly not a loyal Spurs supporter then. If you were loyal you wouldn't slag off your team like this.

That's not fair.

Going back to the post

Why will the policing costs be any greater than those we currently incur? Maybe i'm wrong, but as far as I can see, the only significant increase in expense we'd have is the rent we'd have to pay our temporary landlords.

If you think we're being fleeced now, just wait until the new ground, wherever that ends up being, is ready. How much is the cheapest ST at the Emirates?

Because I reckon we'll be paying somewhere in the same region. Then there will be some moaning.

 

[striebs]

you're clearly not a loyal Spurs supporter then. If you were loyal you wouldn't slag off your team like this.

I bet he's the only 37 year old Spurs supporter who has been an STH for 31 years .

Levy is a complete **** who has dishonoured out club by poaching a manager mid season , in addition to the way he treated Jol .

Don't agree with him about the Spammer Ground , indeed having been in secondary school when they won the 1980 something FA Cup have a soft spot for them and the way they play , even if I did want them to go down .

 

[stakesishigh]

so scrape your heart from the bottle of the barrell, put your faith in the path thats growing narrow, kill the doubt inside your head, we overcome we PUSH AHEAD!



line from a song i was listening to on the way home!

 

[TheChosenOne]

It comes with the territory for being a Spurs fan.

Now that donkey called Arsenal that rode into town deserves its moronic fans

 

[rez9000]

When it comes to WHL it's a question of stay at WHL while we build a new stadium or groundshare while White Hart Lane is torn down and a new stadium built. Although I personally feel that there is a site not far from the current stadium on which a new stadium could be built, I don't know all the ins and outs of what building a new stadium would entail.

One thing that is certain however, is that building a new stadium will mean taking out a loan, regardless of which option is chosen. I think that Levy & Co. will choose the cheapest option and on that score I agree, because the less debt the club runs up the better. If that means tearing down or redeveloping WHL then so be it.

If that's the case, then we'll have to groundshare. Looking at all the London stadia, the only ones that are big enough for Spurs are Wembley, the Emirates, Stamford Bridge and Upton Park. Wembley is a no-go as there are regulations that prevent a full season's home matches to be played there. So we're left with the choice of sharing with the Scum, the Scum Mk II, or the Spammers. In the final analysis, Upton Park is the least of three evils.

I do understand your distaste at the board, Rupstoh, and I agree that there is an element of ivory tower behaviour in our board members (also true of MANY PL boards), but in this specific instance, the stance they are taking happens to coincide with the best interests of the club ie incurring as little debt as possible.

Either through luck or through design, the board have done just enough to prevent a 'fan's revolt' and in football today it will take a real screw-up to get fans to vote with their wallets and boycott the club. I wish it were different, but we're all so apathetic and comfortable that we let things slide.

 

[Real_madyidd]

Can I be first in line for your season ticket? Fuck it, I am loyal.

 

[alex01]

well fuck off then

I am sick to the back teeth with the way this club is being run. We are financially sound with a great supporter base, both ST, Member and also Forever THFC.

The way it was handled, the Jol thing was a complete joke. And now this ground share thing???

Why, within Levy's mind, does he consider that sharing a ground with West Ham (if reports are correct, no smoke without fire by the way!) is going to work? The police costs on 'home' games will be massive and those losses will be passed on to us supporters.

Why, with Levy's recent attempt at business acumen, are we to assume that this is a good temporary move for two years?

I'll tell you why it's not.

Because as usual, it's 'on the cheap', just like some of the squad purchases. We've cut corners on everything for years only to be bitten very hard on the arse.

We've been successful with merchandise sales fuelled by contract sponsorship deals. The likes of Mansion and Puma do not have a bottomless pit of money, just like me.

Rumour has it that there are 3 bidders for this great club and Levy and Lewis are keeping their cards close to their chests if the ground share thing doesn't go ahead as the funding for a new stadium will be over 500 million quid, much of which will have to borrowed (250 million mg.

That's on the back of 30 million quid profit this season.

It's catch 22 for me.

I have supported this club since I was 6 years of age, 31 years as a season ticket holder with my dad.

If the proposals for ground share with West Ham does go ahead, PM me for my ticket as I won't ever go there as a home supporter.

Message to Levy: You have no idea about football supporters, feck off, leave the club, staff, management and players to be run by people who care about Tottenham Hotspur Football Club.

I am very angry at the moment so apologies for the rant, pissed off with the way us honest supporters are being totally milked, conned and lied to.

 

[stemark44]

I really think that the only viable option for the club is to relocate and build a new stadium,can't see a ground share option being workable!
Spurs could move to Dublin and still sell 52,000 seats every week!

 

[camaj]

If the proposals for ground share with West Ham does go ahead, PM me for my ticket as I won't ever go there as a home supporter.

Why the hell not? You would honestly give up your season ticket if we ground shared for a season or two (doubt it'd be two but you never know)? What if it's the only way of expanding the lane?

I honestly don't see the problem, it's not like it'd be at Arsenal, even then I'd probably wouldn't care if it's what's needed

 

[MattyP]

I am sick to the back teeth with the way this club is being run. We are financially sound with a great supporter base, both ST, Member and also Forever THFC.

The way it was handled, the Jol thing was a complete joke. And now this ground share thing???

Why, within Levy's mind, does he consider that sharing a ground with West Ham (if reports are correct, no smoke without fire by the way!) is going to work? The police costs on 'home' games will be massive and those losses will be passed on to us supporters.

Why, with Levy's recent attempt at business acumen, are we to assume that this is a good temporary move for two years?

I'll tell you why it's not.

Because as usual, it's 'on the cheap', just like some of the squad purchases. We've cut corners on everything for years only to be bitten very hard on the arse.

We've been successful with merchandise sales fuelled by contract sponsorship deals. The likes of Mansion and Puma do not have a bottomless pit of money, just like me.

Rumour has it that there are 3 bidders for this great club and Levy and Lewis are keeping their cards close to their chests if the ground share thing doesn't go ahead as the funding for a new stadium will be over 500 million quid, much of which will have to borrowed (250 million mg.

That's on the back of 30 million quid profit this season.

It's catch 22 for me.

I have supported this club since I was 6 years of age, 31 years as a season ticket holder with my dad.

If the proposals for ground share with West Ham does go ahead, PM me for my ticket as I won't ever go there as a home supporter.

Message to Levy: You have no idea about football supporters, feck off, leave the club, staff, management and players to be run by people who care about Tottenham Hotspur Football Club.

I am very angry at the moment so apologies for the rant, pissed off with the way us honest supporters are being totally milked, conned and lied to.

I agree wholeheartedly that the Jol situation was handled terribly, even Levy admitted that.

I agree that we are being fleeced for every penny the club can get out of us.

But I will attempt to counter this.

You say you are sick of the way the club is being run. You say that the club is sound financially. On that specific item, sounds like the club is therefore being well run.

You mention the Mansion deal. At the time it was announced it was somewhere like the 5th highest shirt sponsorship deal in the world, higher than Liverpools. A plus in my opinion.

You mention the issue of ground redevelopment, options of ground sharing etc. All the club have done is said is that an announcement will be made in the first half of 2008. The press have speculated on the rest.

On the managerial situation, as I say it was handled badly, but our start to the season hasn't been great, and Levy went out and got the best manager he felt he could get.

I understand your post, I genuinely do. But at the end of the day, Irving Scholar was a Spurs fan, was the first to list a football club, spent big on stadium redevelopment, broke British transfer records to get players like Gazza in, diversified into kit supply, ticketing systems, books etc, did everything in his power to make Spurs the best on and off the pitch.

The result. We were close to doing a Leeds before a certain Mr Sugar came along.

I'll give the current regime a little more time before I castigate them for the way they are doing things, other than the PR disaster of the past couple of months.

 

[SpurSince57]

Let's face it, there have been questions about Spurs' boards' abilities to pick a manager for over 30 years, ever since Bill's recommendation that Blanchflower succeeed him was ignored and we appointed that **** Neill. I'm still very unhappy about this season's mess and lay most of the blame upon the board because the bottom line is you don't suddenly have doubts about the manager because of a wanky performance in the first game of the season; either Jol was good enough in May or he wasn't. As I've posted umpteen times, if we'd given him the shove at the end of last season and appointed Ramos there would have been no end of ructions, but if we were now sitting up near the top of the table we'd all be saying, 'Well done, Levy, you had the balls to make an unpopular choice but you were proved right.' As things have turned out, he's given the impression of being a vacillating twat.

On the plus side we're turning a healthy profit, so kudos to Levy on that score, and the ground-sharing stuff is pure speculation. I wouldn't get too despondent.

 

[TopSpurMan]

Why the hell not? You would honestly give up your season ticket if we ground shared for a season or two (doubt it'd be two but you never know)? What if it's the only way of expanding the lane?

I honestly don't see the problem, it's not like it'd be at Arsenal, even then I'd probably wouldn't care if it's what's needed

I think that you will find we used to share with the Scum in living history and much as I hate to say it i'd rather go there than west spam - let's face it upton park is a s*** h***

What we should really do is move - find another site not a million miles away (and really i can think of one) - stay where we are - build the new stadium and then move - make a packet on the WHL and so on

 

[PantherX]

Are there any compelling business reasons why we shouldn't play at the Emrates if we needed to?

As far as I can see (if we did need to ground-share) it's the ideal location. I understand that we hate the Arse but if that's only reason it's not being considered then the only ones we're spiting is ourselves.

Let the recrimination begin.

 

[worcestersauce]

Have I missed something here?

I have looked all over and the only statement from the club is that they will make a statement in the new year.
Everything else is speculation which is ok for a discussion thread but to start a thread slagging off the board and the entire club on mere speculation and spurious reports is bollox.

As for ground sharing what's the problem? If we can't play at WHL during the building then what's he option don't play at all for two years??

As for on the cheap, who said anything about on the cheap? it appears that we have retained the sevices of an architect by common consent one of the finest in the world so hardly the action of a club doing things on the cheap.

Pantherx ---- Arsenal played at our ground during the war so maybe they owe us!