Man Yoo vs Spurs: Match Thread

[speccy_spur]

Webb bent us over a chair, pulled down our pants, spread our cheeks and invited United to have their way with us. And that's our "best" ref!
Shame on Carrick for doing the Ronaldo-trademark trailing leg dive. His time at Spurs is duly deleted from history.

 

[southlondonyiddo]

Webb was shocking and the pen was unforgiveable

but our collapse was really poor....we gave them so much space, why oh why would you just sit back try and protect a 2-0 at old trafford?????? Our heads just dropped at 2-2.....why??? We were still in the game but we just stopped at 2-2 and it was so so quickly 3-2 and then 4-2.

you have to play a balanced game and I think United just wanted it more in the 2nd half.

That said...the pen changed the game, Gomes then kinda made a misake on the 2nd one but Corluka's positioning wasn't the best. After that well...just fell apart

5-2 was pure flattery and I am seeing Man Utd fans in the pub, on facebook, on the text, talking like it was some amazing man utd performance and they steamrollered us and it was a stroll in the park! SO bloody annoying.

worrying fact, United scored all 5 goals within 20 minutes, dodgy penalty/ref or not how the HELL do you concede a GOAL EVERY 4 MINUTES.

I have to say overall I am proud on the performance we gave for an hour, then I just dunno what happened

We were fantastic for 70 mins at Blackburn then.....

Not good enough, we've gotta toughen up as a team and play for the 94 mins whether or not we feel hard done by or not.

No chance of a top 4 push unless we can get that mentality sorted

 

[barry]

Why does Ronaldo never get sent off for kicking out? He didn't do it today but I can think of at least 3 occasions where he's kicked out an opponent. Another example of how rotten the prem is. I fucking hate United, all their players and their fucking glory hunting ****y fans.

 

[punky]

Haven't read through all 22 pages yet, so forgive me if its been mentioned.

However, anyone else think it was Rooney being moved to the left that brought United back into the game? I can't remember him being marked or picked up at all. Charlie was attrocious from that point. Granted the CBs didn't do a sterling job with Ronaldo's and Berbatov's goals but I think the game was lost by that time.

 

[Seanson]

I'm not sure why people are claiming the 4th wasn't over the line, Woody did his best but replays showed the whole ball was over the whole line. HOWEVER, even if it hadn't been I'm quite sure it would have been given regardless.

The camera angle from in front of the goal showed the minimum of space between the line and ball which would imply that the ball wasn't fully over the line. Can't see how the officials could say that it was fully over... another old trafford decision although not as blatent as not not seeing Roy Carroll's 2 yard over the line clearance.

The penaly wasn't a penalty. Liverpool must be even more pissed off. Hopefully Spurs keep the challenge up for 7th place. Don't agree with this idea that we would be better off not playing in Europe next season.

 

[barry]

Ferguson is also well over-rated, he initially created a good but if you spend more than the majority of teams and your a half decent manager, you'll win a lot. Saddens me to say it. but Wenger is 10 times the manager Fergie will ever be.
There football doesn't compare to the Scums or Barcas. Bastards

 

[southlondonyiddo]

Ferguson is also well over-rated, he initially created a good but if you spend more than the majority of teams and your a half decent manager, you'll win a lot. Saddens me to say it. but Wenger is 10 times the manager Fergie will ever be.
There football doesn't compare to the Scums or Barcas. Bastards

mg:

Interesting thoughts but to say the manager that has won the most silverware ever in English football is over-rated is surely madness & over the years under fergy Man U have played some fantastic stuff too.

 

[mike_l]

The camera angle from in front of the goal showed the minimum of space between the line and ball which would imply that the ball wasn't fully over the line. Can't see how the officials could say that it was fully over... another old trafford decision although not as blatent as not not seeing Roy Carroll's 2 yard over the line clearance.

The penaly wasn't a penalty. Liverpool must be even more pissed off. Hopefully Spurs keep the challenge up for 7th place. Don't agree with this idea that we would be better off not playing in Europe next season.

To me it looked clearly over on the replay, but I find it difficult to believe that the officials could have seen it and very much doubt that it would have been given the other way around, so they shouldn't have given the goal.

Webb gave everything their way, especially in the second half, I'm not sure about the FA being corrupt, more simply very, very weak when it comes to the big 4 as if they are so important to the success of the league. Bottom line, the big 4 would be nothing without the small 16 so the FA really should stop pandering to them.

 

[SpurSince57]

Haven't read through all 22 pages yet, so forgive me if its been mentioned.

However, anyone else think it was Rooney being moved to the left that brought United back into the game? I can't remember him being marked or picked up at all. Charlie was attrocious from that point. Granted the CBs didn't do a sterling job with Ronaldo's and Berbatov's goals but I think the game was lost by that time.

That, and Tevez coming on for the useless Nani. But we were still holding our own until the 'penalty'.

 

[stemark44]

Corluka's second half today was as bad as Zokora's first half against Villa!

 

[Houdini]

I thought i'd bring this over to this thread.

It's funny, how so much can go Man U's way in a game!
We score at OT only to have the "Goal" disallowed because it was deemed to have not crossed the line, but it was 3 feet over the line, they have a goal allowed when it is impossible to see if it had crossed the line!
They get penalties awarded when they are behind in games, that would not be given to the opposition, 50-50 decisions are given to them, and when they have a player on a yellow he is allowed 2 more fouls before he gets a talking to from the refs, which is usually a sign for Fergy to substitute him!
I would not be surprised, that, in the not too distant future, the truth will come out about quite a few games that have gone Man U's way, just like they did at Juve............

 

[cheeseman]

It's the way they put pressure on officials in interviews as well. It's normally Fergie, but this was Rio Ferdinand last week after not getting a penalty for the Jagielka/Welbeck incident in the FA Cup semi:

"I don't know how the referee didn't give the penalty but that is the way it goes. We don't get many penalties these days. Referees are reluctant to give them to us. Maybe they are being put under pressure by people in the media but that is the way it goes".

So what happenes this week when they play us?

 

[dannythomas]

I have to say that the penalty was not the worst decision I have ever seen. It was highly debatable but by no means outrageous. And even if it was a bad decision that is no excuse for what followed. What was outrageous was our total disintegration in the second half. So bad and spineless it was embarrassing. I take nothing away from our recent improved performances but today when the going got tough the weak rolled over.

 

[3Dnata]

I've had time to think about this and it just gets worse.
I said on this thread when we were two nil up what Webb was going to do.
I think the 2nd goal was poorer from Webb than the first he seems to be giving a free-kick for a foul on Modric then the ball goes to Berbatoss probably in an off-side position and they score from that.
It wasn't just the penalty it was the free-kicks and who got booked and who didn't get booked that also did for us.
I take DC's point about us not getting a decision against them in 50 years I haven't been a Spurs fan that long but I can't remember one.
The excuse we're supposed to put up with this incompetence is "things even themselves out"-they haven't yet against Manure and it would take a ref shooting 6 of their players dead and giving us a penalty before the imbalance could even begin to be addresses

 

[Gilzeanking]

Well it has to be said that the utd attack were extremely sharp . It was a bit of a miserable blur but Berbasulk made an incredible trap of what I remember as a powerful utd shot and in a split second had laid a bowling ball paced pass into someone's path for them to score or assist . I remember Rooney suddenly seeming to have acres of space where our right back should be , looking up , seeing Ronaldo and popping the ball onto his head .

This was a short while after the terriffic Lennon had tricked his way to the byeline again , looked up....and popped the ball..... for a utd throw , missing Bent by a mile with his cross .

I see quite a bit of footie from a league thats considered inferior to ours and the simple skill of accurate crossing is everywhere .

On the subject of our defensive crumble ,someone( not me) needs to plough through the tv footage to work out if this was utd's attack cutting us to ribbons...or our defence losing concentration . I was kinda surprised that in the midst of this massacre , Redknapp didn't do something with subs to try and stop it .

 

[DC_Boy]

I've had time to think about this and it just gets worse.
I said on this thread when we were two nil up what Webb was going to do.
I think the 2nd goal was poorer from Webb than the first he seems to be giving a free-kick for a foul on Modric then the ball goes to Berbatoss probably in an off-side position and they score from that.
It wasn't just the penalty it was the free-kicks and who got booked and who didn't get booked that also did for us.
I take DC's point about us not getting a decision against them in 50 years I haven't been a Spurs fan that long but I can't remember one.
The excuse we're supposed to put up with this incompetence is "things even themselves out"-they haven't yet against Manure and it would take a ref shooting 6 of their players dead and giving us a penalty before the imbalance could even begin to be addresses

Hi 3D

I've had a night to sleep on it and I still can't remember us getting a big decision v man u

as I say probably there will be one or more, but I can't think of one

whereas the stuff that's happened against us is legion and legendary (but a very bad kind of legend indeed)

 

[barry]

mg:

Interesting thoughts but to say the manager that has won the most silverware ever in English football is over-rated is surely madness & over the years under fergy Man U have played some fantastic stuff too.

He's well over-rated. He's taken one of the biggest clubs in the UK, to top of the tree, and he's spent a shit load doing it. Over-rated imo. I hope Platini manages to implement the debt/spend ratio scheme. That'll fuck em right up.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

We were a bit fortunate but football is a funny game - Alex Ferguson.

Yeah, i'm laughing my head off :-|

 

[barry]

I really wanna shake the hand of the man who assaulted Fergie at the airport/train station (I can't remember).

 

[worcestersauce]

I posted on the Howard Webb thread but :-
I thought and stll think Webb is a good ref but unfortunately even the best refs have howlers and he had one yesterday.
I won't call them lucky but Man Utd had every bit of fortune yesterday everything went their way, of the other four goals only Ronaldo's was worthy of he name the others were tricklers that on another day wouldn't have gone in and Berbatov's even rebounded off his leg but what is obvious is that we stil allow bad decisions to affect us, whether we feel sorry for ourselves or not I don't know but we need to get stronger mentally.

And sorry guys but the ball crossed the line, had Woody fallen over 4" nearer the line it wouldn't have done but that makes my point about Uniteds good fortune.