Manager Watch: Ange Postecoglou

[Trent Crimm]

Yeah and Jamie O'Hara is right at the top of that.

He is one week saying 'I'm loving it'
Next week "It is too naive"

One extreme to the other, zero balance

He is a “generational” twat.

 

[For the love of Spurs]

Everything has a knock on effect. Davies and Emerson aren't as good on the ball as Romero and VdV. Hojbjerg isn't as press resistant as Bissouma. Combine those elements and we're immediately under pressure playing out from the back. As a result, out midfield receive less quality ball which restricts our attacking play. With our attacking play less effective we can't dominate and pull the opposition around like we did with Maddison in the team, and he too would probably be much less effective as things stand right now. At the moment we're like a jigsaw puzzle with lots of important bits missing and nobody can make out the picture, but we can't blame individual players. No surprise to me.

Great post, take one or two pieces away it still works, take 3-4-5 pieces it breaks down.

 

[soflapaul]

You’re coming out with some right rubbish lately .

People have differences of opinion. There is zero need to get personal for them or anyone on this site for any reason. It just so happens that the ITKs provide a rather valuable service above and beyond normal conversation and banter so while the footballing opinions are subject to criticism just like everyone else, taking it personal makes them less likely to contribute in the long run if they feel the site is going toxic. Which it is.

 

[olliec]

The way I see it is we are only 6 months into Anges era, and in the top 5. Its a big ask but if we do make CL this season i would call this a huge success for Ange first season, especially if them lot down the road win bugger all who are five years into Arteta’s reign.

 

[HildoSpur]

People have differences of opinion. There is zero need to get personal for them or anyone on this site for any reason. It just so happens that the ITKs provide a rather valuable service above and beyond normal conversation and banter so while the footballing opinions are subject to criticism just like everyone else, taking it personal makes them less likely to contribute in the long run if they feel the site is going toxic. Which it is.

Just because someone is 'itk' shouldn't make them immune from criticism either.

 

[McFlash]

They should be established by age 20. That is how it is seen in academies. Established means getting enough full games. That’s not an opinion btw

Is that really the view now?
As in established in the first team, if they have to be getting full games?
Established in the squad I can maybe understand but getting regular full games in the Premier League by the age of 20 seems an impossible and unrealistic task to put on young players.

That seems incredibly hard and will see a lot of players scrapped when they just needed another year or three.
It's seems wrong to put so much time and effort into youngsters, only to bin them off before they can grow a proper beard!

It would be interesting to see percentages of how many players establish themselves by 20, compared to those a year or two later.
I would have thought that it's pretty stacked to the latter group, especially when it comes to defenders.

 

[Styopa]

People have differences of opinion. There is zero need to get personal for them or anyone on this site for any reason. It just so happens that the ITKs provide a rather valuable service above and beyond normal conversation and banter so while the footballing opinions are subject to criticism just like everyone else, taking it personal makes them less likely to contribute in the long run if they feel the site is going toxic. Which it is.

Just because someone says something a bit nasty to an itk doesn’t mean the site is going toxic. There’s lots of stupid stuff gets said to each other all the time here. But actually I think the site is the least toxic it has been for years.

The issue is a lot of itks have been fairly robust with their opinions about Ange and they have been met with fairly robust opposing opinions in response. I don’t think that’s a problem though. They’re positing as normal posters so presumably they want to engage normally? I agree we should all be polite but beyond that I don’t see a problem.

 

[Trent Crimm]

People have differences of opinion. There is zero need to get personal for them or anyone on this site for any reason. It just so happens that the ITKs provide a rather valuable service above and beyond normal conversation and banter so while the footballing opinions are subject to criticism just like everyone else, taking it personal makes them less likely to contribute in the long run if they feel the site is going toxic. Which it is.

I don’t think it is at all. Toxic is a big word. Think there’s some spirited chat and opinion but not “Toxic”

Use of that word suggests it’s gone either full tilt negative / nasty or your Britney Spears ! Neither of which is the case.

 

[HildoSpur]

Kane was still on loan when he was 20. That's all I'm saying.

 

[Nine while nine]

Kane was still on loan when he was 20. That's all I'm saying.

No, he wasn't. That's all I'm saying.

 

[only1waddle]

Is that really the view now?
As in established in the first team, if they have to be getting full games?
Established in the squad I can maybe understand but getting regular full games in the Premier League by the age of 20 seems an impossible and unrealistic task to put on young players.

That seems incredibly hard and will see a lot of players scrapped when they just needed another year or three.
It's seems wrong to put so much time and effort into youngsters, only to bin them off before they can grow a proper beard!

It would be interesting to see percentages of how many players establish themselves by 20, compared to those a year or two later.
I would have thought that it's pretty stacked to the latter group, especially when it comes to defenders.

Think it's something like 2/3% of academy players make their debut in the first team.

 

[Japhet]

Just because someone is 'itk' shouldn't make them immune from criticism either.

..............and doesn't mean that their opinions of what goes on on the pitch are any more valid than the next person's.

 

[Trent Crimm]

Kane was still on loan when he was 20. That's all I'm saying.

He was elite, generational tho. Not a sign of toxicity. At least that’s what my 11 year old son says (he lives with his mum in Sidcup) and like a Labrador can hear injuries from thousands of miles away.

SC bingo full house.

 

[quackers]

Exactly. It's a big step up to EPL from the level Dorrington and Phillips have been playing, and in all probablity Davies and Emerson would look top notch if they dropped down to that level too. Everything about this argument has very relevant context.

Brighton played some truly established names last night, I mean who scored the first one...

Other clubs have no issues playing youth when needed, we just don't.

 

[soflapaul]

I don’t think it is at all. Toxic is a big word. Think there’s some spirited chat and opinion but not “Toxic”

Use of that word suggests it’s gone either full tilt negative / nasty or your Britney Spears ! Neither of which is the case.

LOL. fair enough on the choice of the word. but would you agree that making things so personal isn't a good thing?

 

[McFlash]

Brighton played some truly established names last night, I mean who scored the first one...

Other clubs have no issues playing youth when needed, we just don't.

That second line isn't really true at all, not to mention that teams, circumstances and players vary wildly.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

Everything has a knock on effect. Davies and Emerson aren't as good on the ball as Romero and VdV. Hojbjerg isn't as press resistant as Bissouma. Combine those elements and we're immediately under pressure playing out from the back. As a result, out midfield receive less quality ball which restricts our attacking play. With our attacking play less effective we can't dominate and pull the opposition around like we did with Maddison in the team, and he too would probably be much less effective as things stand right now. At the moment we're like a jigsaw puzzle with lots of important bits missing and nobody can make out the picture, but we can't blame individual players. No surprise to me.

So so spot on!!!

 

[agrdavidsfan]

Honestly though it is dangerous to not allow any questioning of Ange is selection or tactics it doesn’t mean you want him out if you just question some of the choices it’s ridiculous at the moment.

I am loving his style of play and the way we are playing but it’s okay to suggest we can improve and do things better, as at times we are really naive.

He’s also not very good at in game management it’s very much plan an and roll and that’s fine when it works but in this league they work you out.

Brighton did this excellently

it all started with :

Steele the keeper picked on purpose as he has a longer kick to pile the pressure on our defence he’s instructed to hit it over our defence and turn us towards our own goal at every chance.

this worked amazingly.

next which was brave by de Zerbi was to get the wingers and players from Brighton to stretch the width exploiting our full backs going in field very clever it also worked with them getting joy down our flanks.

next he instructed his dribblers to run at us and be direct also worked as we had full backs at centre half

All of this way easy to see Ange should also be seeing it and altering things in the game to stop the dominance and he didn’t.

that’s not good enough

 

[Trent Crimm]

LOL. fair enough on the choice of the word. but would you agree that making things so personal isn't a good thing?

I’m not sure. I think some people have a thinner / thicker skin than others and hence it seems to be personal. I haven’t seen anything that looks like an attack tho, maybe I’ve missed it.

tell you want winds me up tho. Opinions as facts. Ridiculous. And that’s a fact.

 

[tommyt]

With no lovin' in our souls,
No money and lack of goals,
You can't say we're satisfied