Manager Watch: Ange Postecoglou

[dontcallme]

Christ, the premier League can't come back soon enough. Some right old bollocks on these last few pages.

Only by one poster to be fair.

 

[dontcallme]

I find the concept that you choose good football or winning, like it's one or the other very weird.

If anything, I think you need to play good football to win.

All our recent best performing managers, Jol, Redknapp, Poch, played good football. It was the boring, safety 1st football managers that failed.

 

[alfie103]

I find the concept that you choose good football or winning, like it's one or the other.

If anything, I think you need to play good football to win.

All our recent best performing managers, Jol, Redknapp, Poch, played good football. It was the boring, safety 1st football managers that failed.

They failed with Tottenham, they didn't fail with other teams. Our best performing managers again didn't win any trophies (A lot of this might be down to Levy advising the managers to concentrate on qualifying for the CL above everything else).

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

I'm not sure it's even so much as everyone having a winning mentality, but you have to at least allow yourself to have some hope, or actually why bother? I swear, again, that a huge swathe of this fanbase wouldn't actually be able to support a club with some actual challenges on their plate. One of the top few teams in the country, and top 20 or so in world football, and yet it's all doom and gloom for some unless the ownership are out (despite no idea of who would replace them). 99% of clubs would want to be Tottenham, and it's fair to want more, as we all do, but there's space for perspective. We have a lot of hope where almost all others do not. To deny yourself that is silly imo.

Beggars belief for me given what I've lived through with this club, sometimes. We've got some cash and are secure forever as a club. Got some top players, great and likeable manager, great stadium, great start to the season. If you can't enjoy the hope from that, then you deserve the misery that you choose to wallow in imo, because it is a choice. We have a platform to kick on from this year, and not only that but to enjoy it because we'll play football or get fucked trying. COYS.

Very well put

 

[dontcallme]

They failed with Tottenham, they didn't fail with other teams. Our best performing managers again didn't win any trophies (A lot of this might be down to Levy advising the managers to concentrate on qualifying for the CL above everything else).

Are you going through a tough time? Your posts the last 3 pages are a genuine train wreck.

 

[Griff001]

They failed with Tottenham, they didn't fail with other teams. Our best performing managers again didn't win any trophies (A lot of this might be down to Levy advising the managers to concentrate on qualifying for the CL above everything else).

Do you actually have a point?

Essentially you seem to be picking holes in what Ange has said due to A: Levy and B: The fact we didn't do well in the Carabao cup.

Would I be correct?

 

[easley91]

They failed with Tottenham, they didn't fail with other teams. Our best performing managers again didn't win any trophies (A lot of this might be down to Levy advising the managers to concentrate on qualifying for the CL above everything else).

Do you have proof of this? Majority of clubs rotate squads in cup games, it isn't just us who do it.

 

[greaves]

Do you actually have a point?

Philosophically devastating.

 

[vegassd]

Playing the style he wants isn't guaranteed to get results. For me, he implied in the interview his main priority was for the team to play a style of football he wants.

I conclude from that the style of football we play is more important to him than the results.

The thing is, there isn't anything that guarantees getting results. If there was, everybody would be doing it. Even City don't win everything.

It seems to me that some people think that winning the league cup is just about wanting it enough. All you have to do is "prioritise the cup" and 6 months later you have won it. Easy!

The reality (as I see it) is that in order to win the league cup - or any trophy at all - you have to consistently win football matches. And in the absence of a magic wand, different managers will approach that in different ways. Ange is saying that he wants to imprint his approach on the club in order to get us winning matches, and a part of that approach was to test the second string players in a competitive match. That's his approach to building a winning team.

“The challenge, for me, is the same everywhere and that’s to get the team to play the kind of football that gives its own fans something to get excited about on a weekly basis and bring success to the club.

“There’s no other reason why I do what I do – it doesn’t matter where I’ve been, I want to bring success to this football club by playing a certain way and that never changes.

“I’m uncompromising in that and success for me is winning things, but at the same time it’s not a desperation around just winning something because I just don’t think that gets you a sustainable sort of opportunity to be successful.

“For me, the foundation of it is to play a certain way which I believes brings success and also excites the punters.”

The bold bit in this quote from Ange shows that the results are the important thing for him. The rest of the quote gives the context of his approach (in my opinion), showing that he is aware of what he can and cannot control. He can't decide what the result of a match will be. What he can do is get the team playing in a certain way, and if he achieves that he believes it then leads to success.

I do kind of see why you interpret what he says a the style being more important than the results. But I think if you look at the global scope of what Ange is saying the picture emerges. He wants his players to go balls deep in his philosophy, and that's how he approaches winning trophies.

 

[RuskyM]

It’s little things but Porro calling us a family, Maddison saying he loves this team, the clear love Sonny has from the group - it gives a real sense of unity, of a team that’s actually happy to be there which it hasn’t been since about 2018 imo. Who’d have thought making people not miserable might be effective?

 

[Japhet]

It’s little things but Porro calling us a family, Maddison saying he loves this team, the clear love Sonny has from the group - it gives a real sense of unity, of a team that’s actually happy to be there which it hasn’t been since about 2018 imo. Who’d have thought making people not miserable might be effective?

I think it also helps that we don't have absolutely everything revolving around Harry Kane. Our players now have a bit more space to flourish and we now operate much more as a properly functioning team as opposed to a vehicle for Harry Kane to achieve his goals. Ange has instilled a real feel good factor against the backdrop of losing Kane which is pretty incredible when you think about it.

 

[yido_number1]

Do you have proof of this? Majority of clubs rotate squads in cup games, it isn't just us who do it.

I think Poch, Conte and Mourinho have all said this was the case.

@luRRka

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[Mattyhp]

People should be very optimistic about the team under Ange. As an owner of a small business everything he says in relation to success resonates with me. He sets no ceilings or limits, and also focuses on the only thing himself, the staff and the players can control which is their outputs and mindset. Seriously impressed with this guy, and will be accepting of the bumps in the road that will come as you can tell he will take this team on the right path and we will enjoy the journey regardless, which is really what it’s about. Success and glory are never guaranteed, but hard graft, effort and having a defined purpose tends to produce success more often than not. So excited to see what we can do under this guy!

 

[easley91]

I think Poch, Conte and Mourinho have all said this was the case.

Have they? Was that when they were our manager or after they left us?

 

[Tucker]

Have they? Was that when they were our manager or after they left us?

I don’t remember any of them directly saying they have been told they must rotate the squad in cup games. It’s another one of these made up narratives.

It’s true that the club have prioritised finishing top four more often than not, but the idea that all these string characters have allowed Levy to dictate to them who they pick in the team is bollocks.

 

[easley91]

I don’t remember any of them directly saying they have been told they must rotate the squad in cup games. It’s another one of these made up narratives.

It’s true that the club have prioritised finishing top four more often than not, but the idea that all these string characters have allowed Levy to dictate to them who they pick in the team is bollocks.

My trouble with this is pretty much every PL club will and has rotated for cup games (for various reasons). City go so far in them and win, because they don't really drop in quality like the rest of us. I know it's fashionable to hate on Levy, but I refuse to believe (until I see irrefutable proof) that he tells his managers to throw cup games.

Ange said before the Fulham game he'd rotate as we had 3 away games in a week and after a chaotic pre-season he needed to give some players minutes. It had zero to do with Levy being in his ear.

 

[glospur]

Playing the style he wants isn't guaranteed to get results. For me, he implied in the interview his main priority was for the team to play a style of football he wants.

I conclude from that the style of football we play is more important to him than the results.

how can you have watched the last 4 years of Tottenham hotspur and think that our focus, first and foremost, should be on results?

 

[alfie103]

how can you have watched the last 4 years of Tottenham hotspur and think that our focus, first and foremost, should be on results?

Because I am more concerned about Tottenham winning than the style of football they play.

 

[Oh Teddy Teddy]

Because I am more concerned about Tottenham winning than the style of football they play.

why bother watching then? come back at the end of the season and check the results?

 

[alfie103]

why bother watching then? come back at the end of the season and check the results?

On the other hand, why support Tottenham over other teams when you can go and support the team that plays the best football?