Manager Watch: Ange Postecoglou

[spurs9]

Selling Sanchez after we knew we couldn't replace him was absolute fucking madness. Whether you agree with the decisions he's made or not, the fact is that Ange has no good options at the moment.

Dier is woefully ill-suited to this tactical setup, and although I agree with the calls to bring Phillips or Dorrington into the team, I can also understand why Ange has been reluctant to do so. We are unbelievably open without VdV/Romero, and a teenage defender can have his confidence absolutely shattered by coming into a side that is leaking goals. It's not as risky to play inexperienced players in other positions, so I'm not sure that the youngsters that the likes of Newcastle and Brighton have used are apples-to-apples comparisons. We still need a change, but we're playing with these young lads' futures by throwing them into the deep end.

The worst part of the whole situation is that we left ourselves massively short in order to save a few quid, and in the end it may cost us loads of points and not save us anything at all. If you were the chairman of Genoa or Nice, would you not tack £10m onto the asking price for Dragusin or Todibo? We've gone five matches and collected not a single fucking point without our only two senior CBs that suit Ange's footbal. We've left ourselves utterly fucking desperate, it's hard to imagine that selling clubs won't take full advantage.

The whole thing is a fucking shambles.

Sanchez doesn't help us IMO, he was shocking on the ball and made countless mistakes, so I'm not against selling him when we did, we should have brought someone else in though, as we knew even if we couldn't sell him, that both he and Dier would be off in, at most, a year later.

We took a chance on the CB situation but unfortunately, the worse case scenario has happened.

 

[Finchyid]

Completely agree, i couldnt believe no changes were made at half time - only when we went 3-0 down

That’s the bit that frustrates me..hjojberg was beyond shocking…he offers nothing and gave no defence protection..

 

[beats1]

First time I have been frustrated with Ange, as soon as I saw the team I knew we would struggle and predicted a loss

Reasons why, Emerson Royal struggles with being on the ball, that teams know this. He will pass realistically to 3 options Hojberg, Davies or Vicario. Porro and Johnson are hard balls because of the pressure he faces

Hojberg, is fucking shit at receiving the ball, he is a better protector than skipp but can't play as a 6 in Ange's system. He can't play with his back to the opponents goal, he needs to facing forward.

Sarr, great in open games, but gets a bit lost against teams sitting deep, as soon this happens he slows down play abit too much and doesn't have space to dribble to

When Davies is your best press resistant player in your critical 3, you know its game over. Added to the fact Royal and Davies have shown themselves to suspect as fuck at set pieces. Aston Villa we were shambolic but we got away with it

I was disappointed Skipp didn't start as he better at resisting the press than hojberg with his back to goal.

Ange's system requires fast movement or passing. Hojberg is in neither category, he shouldn't be playing until the game has slowed down he can find himself in great positions. He is a no.8

We should have signed Alex Scott, big shame we didn't

 

[spurs9]

It’s what I don’t get why can’t we call him out when he gets it wrong this blind faith is a dangerous game, he had 3 Centre backs on the bench one of them is probably going to be a generational talent, that we will be lucky to still have at the club in two years as he isn’t getting chances. THEN he still persists with playing a player there who isn’t a great right back not alone a great centre half if he played the kids I wouldn’t be mad at him as he’s been brave which he says his philosophy is I don’t think it is at the moment I think it’s naivety.

Neither are generational talents. Good potential but that is all.

 

[agrdavidsfan]

Eh? Generational talent? What

Allie Dorrington is one of the highest rated young centre backs in the country, looks an immense talent

 

[quackers]

Eh? Generational talent? What

Dorrington. I agree, if he's good enough he's old enough.

Anges stubbornness is a serious flaw. Not really giving any youth a chance as yet.
Nothing to lose tonight or Sunday giving players a chance in their correct positions.

Donley as a 10 on Sunday would be the right thing to do, why not.

 

[THFCSPURS19]

First time I have been frustrated with Ange, as soon as I saw the team I knew we would struggle and predicted a loss

Reasons why, Emerson Royal struggles with being on the ball, that teams know this. He will pass realistically to 3 options Hojberg, Davies or Vicario. Porro and Johnson are hard balls because of the pressure he faces

Hojberg, is fucking shit at receiving the ball, he is a better protector than skipp but can't play as a 6 in Ange's system. He can't play with his back to the opponents goal, he needs to facing forward.

Sarr, great in open games, but gets a bit lost against teams sitting deep, as soon this happens he slows down play abit too much and doesn't have space to dribble to

When Davies is your best press resistant player in your critical 3, you know its game over. Added to the fact Royal and Davies have shown themselves to suspect as fuck at set pieces. Aston Villa we were shambolic but we got away with it

I was disappointed Skipp didn't start as he better at resisting the press than hojberg with his back to goal.

Ange's system requires fast movement or passing. Hojberg is in neither category, he shouldn't be playing until the game has slowed down he can find himself in great positions. He is a no.8

We should have signed Alex Scott, big shame we didn't

You say you are frustrated with Ange but haven't suggested what he should have done instead. Also Skipp is injured and wasn't in the squad so not really Ange's fault.

 

[HildoSpur]

Allie Dorrington is one of the highest rated young centre backs in the country, looks an immense talent

Ok but in no way does that make him a 'generational talent '. He has not proven anything yet. I hope he does but to suggest he is anything more than a promising young player right now just to try and make a point against our manager is utterly daft.

 

[HildoSpur]

Dorrington. I agree, if he's good enough he's old enough.

Anges stubbornness is a serious flaw. Not really giving any youth a chance as yet.
Nothing to lose tonight or Sunday giving players a chance in their correct positions.

Donley as a 10 on Sunday would be the right thing to do, why not.

Not really giving youth a chance yet he played Sarr and Udogie regularly at 20 years old, has been blooding Veliz into the side at 19 and played VDV right from him signing at 22 suggests you are talking shite. The difference is he hasn't yet played the young players YOU want him to play.

 

[spurs mental]

Not really giving youth a chance yet he played Sarr and Udogie regularly at 20 years old, has been blooding Veliz into the side at 19 and played VDV right from him signing at 22 suggests you are talking shite. The difference is he hasn't yet played the young players YOU want him to play.

VDV and Udogie had already proven in other leagues that they were good footballers, and played plenty of minutes. We'd seen bits of Sarr to suggest he would be good enough. Veliz has had fleeting minutes but I think he's shown he's got something.

The issue is people wanting players to play who have had zero or very little experience. And I understand the reluctance to play them at this moment in time. But i also understand the desire from some to want to see them play.

 

[JayB]

Sanchez doesn't help us IMO, he was shocking on the ball and made countless mistakes, so I'm not against selling him when we did, we should have brought someone else in though, as we knew even if we couldn't sell him, that both he and Dier would be off in, at most, a year later.

We took a chance on the CB situation but unfortunately, the worse case scenario has happened.

After the Chelsea match there was an analysis going around that showed that Romero has missed between 30-40% of matches every season in his entire career. VdV likewise had a serious hamstring injury that caused him to miss 3 months earlier in his career - that's an injury that is commonly recurring, especially considering how reliant on explosive pace he is.

It was perfectly predictable that we would need a third option at CB. I agree that Sanchez's ability on the ball was such that he was never going to be a long-term option for Ange, but he had put in an excellent performance against Barcelona in preseason and had shown that he was capable of defending well in the high line. It was madness letting him go after the window had closed and we'd failed to bring in anyone better.

 

[spurs mental]

After the Chelsea match there was an analysis going around that showed that Romero has missed between 30-40% of matches every season in his entire career. VdV likewise had a serious hamstring injury that caused him to miss 3 months earlier in his career - that's an injury that is commonly recurring, especially considering how reliant on explosive pace he is.

It was perfectly predictable that we would need a third option at CB. I agree that Sanchez's ability on the ball was such that he was never going to be a long-term option for Ange, but he had put in an excellent performance against Barcelona in preseason and had showed that he was capable of defending well in the high line. It was madness letting him go after the window had closed and we'd failed to bring in anyone better.

I think he'd have been ok in a more possession based team, playing a high line with his pace a great attribute. Certainly better than Royal at CB anyway.

 

[HildoSpur]

VDV and Udogie had already proven in other leagues that they were good footballers, and played plenty of minutes. We'd seen bits of Sarr to suggest he would be good enough. Veliz has had fleeting minutes but I think he's shown he's got something.

The issue is people wanting players to play who have had zero or very little experience. And I understand the reluctance to play them at this moment in time. But i also understand the desire from some to want to see them play.

Ange and his team have had the likes of Donley, Dorrington and Phillips training with the first team squad for months. He is giving them the opportunity to prove themselves ready. What more do we want him to do? Donley has already had a few minutes off the bench and I'm sure the others will get their chances.

 

[mil1lion]

Sanchez has never been the answer

 

[Boots22]

Allie Dorrington is one of the highest rated young centre backs in the country, looks an immense talent

Alfie's Sister?

 

[quackers]

Not really giving youth a chance yet he played Sarr and Udogie regularly at 20 years old, has been blooding Veliz into the side at 19 and played VDV right from him signing at 22 suggests you are talking shite. The difference is he hasn't yet played the young players YOU want him to play.

Sorry by youth I mean spurs youth, not players signed for the first team for 10s of millions of pounds who I would expect to be playing for the first team.

Youth as in not spurs youth.

Veliz wasn't cheap and dane had more goals than him until tonight...

 

[HildoSpur]

After the Chelsea match there was an analysis going around that showed that Romero has missed between 30-40% of matches every season in his entire career. VdV likewise had a serious hamstring injury that caused him to miss 3 months earlier in his career - that's an injury that is commonly recurring, especially considering how reliant on explosive pace he is.

It was perfectly predictable that we would need a third option at CB. I agree that Sanchez's ability on the ball was such that he was never going to be a long-term option for Ange, but he had put in an excellent performance against Barcelona in preseason and had shown that he was capable of defending well in the high line. It was madness letting him go after the window had closed and we'd failed to bring in anyone better.

Selling Sanchez was not the problem, it's failing to get a replacement that's the problem .

 

[k1cks77]

Not really giving youth a chance yet he played Sarr and Udogie regularly at 20 years old, has been blooding Veliz into the side at 19 and played VDV right from him signing at 22 suggests you are talking shite. The difference is he hasn't yet played the young players YOU want him to play.

The three you have mentioned, VDV, Sarr and Udogie all had over 50 senior first team appearances before they played for spurs in top level leagues. Veliz is the only one that has come into the equation raw, but he has been chucked on for a few minutes in 3/4 matches as a hail mary and his temperament is less likely to be questioned as he has played in an intense argentine league.

its clear to see that ange is not keen on playing the spurs youngsters as much. Whether he is protecting them from too much too soon, or he thinks they aren’t good enough is the question though. (I suspect it may be the latter, as he did say in an interview a few weeks ago that the new kids will have their chance but they have to show it in training, so i suspect they aren’t pulling up any trees).

 

[JayB]

Selling Sanchez was not the problem, it's failing to get a replacement that's the problem .

Selling him after the window had closed was a problem. I agree wholeheartedly that we should have brought in a third CB in the summer, but once we'd failed to do so it became a massive gamble to sell him to Turkey.

 

[Rout-Ledge]

People referring to Dorrington as a generational talent on here are viewing through very Spurs tinted glasses. Who knows how good he’ll end up being, but at the moment it’s potential and nothing more. He hasn’t played ANY senior level football. Would be more credible to describe Vuskovic or Van De Ven as generational talents.