Manager Watch: Ange Postecoglou

[funkycoldmedina]

Indeed, and how many of those were his prime targets and how many of those were "for a position Conte wanted filled". There is a big difference between the two btw when it comes to implementing a specific way of playing.

FWIW I believe Ange has far more scrutiny of the incomings than Conte has, and Conte should have insured on day one the final say was always his, but again spending money does not completely equate to "being backed".

Let's face it, a few of the players he wanted didn't want to come to us or if they did we were a 2nd or 3rd option and he struggled with that.

 

[Albertbarich]

I don't think I there is any doubt both Conte and Mourinho werent suitable with Levy's style of management and on that I think its clear were never going to go all out for big named players like our rivals.

But isn't that why Ange is here? He isn't fussed about big named players , he enjoys giving lesser known people a chance and that philosophy aligns with the clubs desire to buy young players who will be profitable.

 

[alfie103]

I don't think I there is any doubt both Conte and Mourinho werent suitable with Levy's style of management and on that I think its clear were never going to go all out for big named players like our rivals.

But isn't that why Ange is here? He isn't fussed about big named players , he enjoys giving lesser known people a chance and that philosophy aligns with the clubs desire to buy young players who will be profitable.

Why did we build a £1 billion stadium then?

 

[Trix]

Let's face it, a few of the players he wanted didn't want to come to us or if they did we were a 2nd or 3rd option and he struggled with that.

Some, yeah of course, and that'll be the case whomever the manager is because that's where we sit in the pecking order. The problem arises when you just go out and buy someone else that you believe fits that role that the manager isn't fully on board with/doesn't sign off on. Even if they are a great fit, the coach 100% has to be the one who makes that final decision because ultimately it's his job on the line and his reputation at stake. When it's taken above his head regardless of who the player is it causes friction bts.

Like I say Ange looks like he's set his stall out on this from day one and he's been incredibly clear on this point to the press from the outset. I'd assume he keeps reiterating this over and over in the press because he's fully aware it's how we've played things as a club in the past and he's not letting anyone forget who has the final say. SO hopefully this time it's different.

 

[C1w8]

Seems like you and lots of others are missing / avoiding the point - which is why a £15M a year proven title winning manager (name irrelevant) would want to leave? Because I suspect most of the answers lead us to some uncomforatble home truths about OUR football club.

Because his contract was up in 3 months, and he didnt have the patience to manage a club that doesnt have the profile of a United/Liverpool, nor the finances of the likes of City to bring in the best players. How we bridge the gap to those i'm sure we could do/have done better but its a huge task to get us to the top and Conte wasnt up for it long term.

 

[funkycoldmedina]

Why did we build a £1 billion stadium then?

Stadium revenue is only part of the revenue picture

 

[Trix]

I don't think I there is any doubt both Conte and Mourinho werent suitable with Levy's style of management and on that I think its clear were never going to go all out for big named players like our rivals.

But isn't that why Ange is here? He isn't fussed about big named players , he enjoys giving lesser known people a chance and that philosophy aligns with the clubs desire to buy young players who will be profitable.

100% so the question always comes back to why hire them if you aren't going to back them? Ange isn't all that different to either Conte or Jose, in that he is uncompromising on his beliefs and philosophy. He isn't going to put up with penny pinching, and finding alternatives with less fit to his needs and more potential financial upside for the club any more than Jose or Conte were.

It is very clear he is not a coach who can adapt his system and work with what he is given he needs certain skillsets in his players just as much as they did. If he gets it I think we are on to a winner because of how he wants to play, if he doesn't I see inconsistent seasons ahead and another manager who becomes disillusioned with those above him,.

 

[greaves]

Stadium revenue is only part of the revenue picture

We built it because it is pretty and makes us feel good!

 

[TOLBINY]

You are getting a lot of stick for this but I think I get your point, and agree that others are ignoring/missing it.

When Conte was here a fair few of us kept hammering down on the fact that Conte needed specific player types to get the best out of him as a coach, and that it was Levy's fault for not getting them as he knew exactly what he was getting when he hired AC. This was met by a number of posters on here that a highly paid Premier league coach needed to adjust and work with the players he had. Ironic isn't it that many of those same posters are now saying that Ange needs more specific players suited to his way of playing in order to bring success to his philosophy. Fact is I agree on both counts, and every manager with an outlined philosophy will require a large number of specific players to play that particular way.

Levy failed last time round, lets hope he plays this one differently because irrespective of style of play a coach with a set in stone way of playing needs substantial help from board level to achieve that. Thus there are more similarities between Conte and Ange than there are differences at this stage of Conte's tenure. And no I'm not talking about principles of play, I'm talking about everything else. Ange needs backing and far more than Conte got regarding the players he wanted to bring in.

At last - thanks Trix!

 

[only1waddle]

I don't think I there is any doubt both Conte and Mourinho werent suitable with Levy's style of management and on that I think its clear were never going to go all out for big named players like our rivals.

But isn't that why Ange is here? He isn't fussed about big named players , he enjoys giving lesser known people a chance and that philosophy aligns with the clubs desire to buy young players who will be profitable.

Whilst I agree that was the case when he arrived, I feel as the seasons gone on he knows we need some serious quality in certain positions if we're to go up a level.

 

[funkycoldmedina]

100% so the question always comes back to why hire them if you aren't going to back them? Ange isn't all that different to either Conte or Jose, in that he is uncompromising on his beliefs and philosophy. He isn't going to put up with penny pinching, and finding alternatives with less fit to his needs and more potential financial upside for the club any more than Jose or Conte were.

It is very clear he is not a coach who can adapt his system and work with what he is given he needs certain skillsets in his players just as muoch as they did. If he gets it I think we are on to a winner because of how he wants to play, if he doesn't I see inconsistent season ahead and another manager who becomes disillusioned with those above him,.

This is going over old ground but lumping Jose and Conte in together doesn't feel justified to me. Jose is spent, his love in the Mendes always makes me feel he's lining his pockets rather than thinking about the best interests of the club.
Conte was a terrible appointment for the reasons you've outlined, he needed a lot of big players in a short space of time because that's his MO and we didn't have the means or the profile to deliver that.
No manager should have players foisted on them but I think it's important we now hire managers who don't need proven talent all the time because deadwood is a real issue for the EPL as there's no one to sell to.

 

[Timbo Tottenham]

Seems like you and lots of others are missing / avoiding the point - which is why a £15M a year proven title winning manager (name irrelevant) would want to leave? Because I suspect most of the answers lead us to some uncomforatble home truths about OUR football club.

I’ve asked you why you think this is in the Conte thread, there’s no need to keep taking this thread off topic.

 

[funkycoldmedina]

At last - thanks Trix!

So it was a Levy bashing you wanted?

 

[SirHarryHotspur]

Why did we build a £1 billion stadium then?

 

[alfie103]

So you can't answer my question then? Is it because we all know why Levy built the stadium for and it isn't to benefit the football club?

 

[jurgen]

Why did we build a £1 billion stadium then?

Top young players are really expensive these days.

 

[dontcallme]

So you can't answer my question then? Is it because we all know why Levy built the stadium for and it isn't to benefit the football club?

Or maybe there's a thread for that tired stuff.

 

[Timbo Tottenham]

To Levy thread everyone. FFS.

 

[Trix]

So it was a Levy bashing you wanted?

That's not what's happening. Not from my part anyway. I think/hope things are different under Ange and Levy does seem like he's learnt from Conte. You have to admit though it's quite clear Ange is not the coach many thought he was. What I mean by that is he does need certain player types and can't just work with what he has in the same way Conte couldn't. Too many are looking at the differences between Ange and Conte and are completely ignoring the similarities. It is imo in those similarities why Conte failed here. Levy needs to do better, which tbf he looks like he is, otherwise it'll be the same outcome.

 

[Trix]

To Levy thread everyone. FFS.

Sorry but IMO this is very much Ange related. His style of play and philosophy are only as important as all his other traits and beliefs and how all that sync's together with the thinking of the THFC Board.