Marcus Edwards leaving rumour?

[garryparkerschest]

That mentality shortened Michael Owen's career.

You really are one of the more sensible posters.

You're family has brought you up so well.

 

[THFCSPURS19]

Trent Alexander-Arnold (who is apparently very highly rated) turned 17 three days ago and signed a pro contract on the same day. I suspect we will/attempt to do that with Edwards.

 

[IGSpur]

Trent Alexander-Arnold (who is apparently very highly rated) turned 17 three days ago and signed a pro contract on the same day. I suspect we will/attempt to do that with Edwards.

I imagine as all the world cup team turn 17 their clubs will be trying to get them on pro contracts. I'm sure most are already on them. Though I'm not sure if Whiteman has been offered one

 

[THFCSPURS19]

I imagine as all the world cup team turn 17 their clubs will be trying to get them on pro contracts. I'm sure most are already on them. Though I'm not sure if Whiteman has been offered one

I'm confused by the whole 'pro contract' stuff- if Edwards were to sign one, would it be announced by the club like the Onomah and Winks contracts?

Is it only Edwards we will offer one to?

 

[IGSpur]

I'm confused by the whole 'pro contract' stuff- if Edwards were to sign one, would it be announced by the club like the Onomah and Winks contracts?

Is it only Edwards we will offer one to?

See we don't do that, as far as I'm aware, for our pro contracts. While other clubs make a song and dance, we never really hear about it until the club publish the retained/released list. The club never announced that Carter-Vickers signed a pro contract, we all knew about it because the dailymail reported it as Arsenal were after him.

To be honest I don't ever remember hearing anything about Onomah signing his pro.

A pro contract is what it says it is. A professional contract, I'm sure they're more secure than scholar papers. They would be no different to say what Eriksen has but Eriksen would be on 50k while they might be on a 2k. When we first offer a pro contract I think that they are for 3 years, so Onomah and Winks were offered new contracts to reflect how they have improved which would be longer.

I would be suprsied if Edwards is the only one we offer it to, as I'm sure we would want to secure our most talented players. Sterling and Whiteman could also get one, as could Brown, Shashoua, Bennetts etc. It's just we won't release the info and noone would no about ti as there isn't the concern or hype about them.

@Spursidol would know more and be able to help though

 

[THFCSPURS19]

See we don't do that, as far as I'm aware, for our pro contracts. While other clubs make a song and dance, we never really hear about it until the club publish the retained/released list. The club never announced that Carter-Vickers signed a pro contract, we all knew about it because the dailymail reported it as Arsenal were after him.

To be honest I don't ever remember hearing anything about Onomah signing his pro.

A pro contract is what it says it is. A professional contract, I'm sure they're more secure than scholar papers. They would be no different to say what Eriksen has but Eriksen would be on 50k while they might be on a 2k. When we first offer a pro contract I think that they are for 3 years, so Onomah and Winks were offered new contracts to reflect how they have improved which would be longer.

I would be suprsied if Edwards is the only one we offer it to, as I'm sure we would want to secure our most talented players. Sterling and Whiteman could also get one, as could Brown, Shashoua, Bennetts etc. It's just we won't release the info and noone would no about ti as there isn't the concern or hype about them.

@Spursidol would know more and be able to help though

For some reason I thought Onomah's new contract was his pro contract. Clearly I got that wrong.

 

[IGSpur]

For some reason I thought Onomah's new contract was his pro contract. Clearly I got that wrong.

I forgot to add as well I'm pretty sure that there are limits to how much a scholar can earn. Whereas once they have signed their pro they can earn what they want. An example being when we faced Chelsea u21s a last season I think, Solanke as he was born in September had earned his pro contract and was on anything between 15-30k for Chelsea, was up against CCV who being born the day before new years still hadn't go his, and was on £300 max per week or something. Ridiculous

 

[beats1]

See we don't do that, as far as I'm aware, for our pro contracts. While other clubs make a song and dance, we never really hear about it until the club publish the retained/released list. The club never announced that Carter-Vickers signed a pro contract, we all knew about it because the dailymail reported it as Arsenal were after him.

To be honest I don't ever remember hearing anything about Onomah signing his pro.

A pro contract is what it says it is. A professional contract, I'm sure they're more secure than scholar papers. They would be no different to say what Eriksen has but Eriksen would be on 50k while they might be on a 2k. When we first offer a pro contract I think that they are for 3 years, so Onomah and Winks were offered new contracts to reflect how they have improved which would be longer.

I would be suprsied if Edwards is the only one we offer it to, as I'm sure we would want to secure our most talented players. Sterling and Whiteman could also get one, as could Brown, Shashoua, Bennetts etc. It's just we won't release the info and noone would no about ti as there isn't the concern or hype about them.

@Spursidol would know more and be able to help though

We did use to announce on the the website that players have signed their first professional deal

Like mason
http://www.tottenhamhotspur.com/news/mason-signs-pro-deal-080808/

I know last year winks signed his first deal and I'm sure that was announced

 

[IGSpur]

We did use to announce on the the website that players have signed their first professional deal

Like mason
http://www.tottenhamhotspur.com/news/mason-signs-pro-deal-080808/

I know last year winks signed his first deal and I'm sure that was announced

Unless I'm not using the search function correctly. I typed 'Winks professional and pro' and same for Onomah and nothing came up. Other clubs will announce when their players have signed pre pro contracts like Oxford, Neufville and Slattery which is mad. Don't mind how our clubs do it, I think it's to protect them

 

[FrankSpencer]

I took this news to be pro contracts, do we believe otherwise then?

http://m.tottenhamhotspur.com/news/onomah-signs-new-contract-210715/

http://m.tottenhamhotspur.com/news/new-deal-for-winks-060715/

 

[Blake Griffin]

I took this news to be pro contracts, do we believe otherwise then?

http://m.tottenhamhotspur.com/news/onomah-signs-new-contract-210715/

http://m.tottenhamhotspur.com/news/new-deal-for-winks-060715/

they mean their first pro contract which they're eligible for when they turn 17, we don't usually announce them. the two above are contract extensions but because they're now part of the 1st team squad we make it public.

 

[IGSpur]

I took this news to be pro contracts, do we believe otherwise then?

http://m.tottenhamhotspur.com/news/onomah-signs-new-contract-210715/

http://m.tottenhamhotspur.com/news/new-deal-for-winks-060715/

Ye those wouldn't have been their first pro contracts. As @Blake Griffin said they would have been extensions. Generally pro contracts are signed for 3 years.

Onomah would have been a year into his pro and Winks 2 years.

Veljkovic's pro for example expires this summer when he is 20.

 

[Spursidol]

See we don't do that, as far as I'm aware, for our pro contracts. While other clubs make a song and dance, we never really hear about it until the club publish the retained/released list. The club never announced that Carter-Vickers signed a pro contract, we all knew about it because the dailymail reported it as Arsenal were after him.

To be honest I don't ever remember hearing anything about Onomah signing his pro.

A pro contract is what it says it is. A professional contract, I'm sure they're more secure than scholar papers. They would be no different to say what Eriksen has but Eriksen would be on 50k while they might be on a 2k. When we first offer a pro contract I think that they are for 3 years, so Onomah and Winks were offered new contracts to reflect how they have improved which would be longer.

I would be suprsied if Edwards is the only one we offer it to, as I'm sure we would want to secure our most talented players. Sterling and Whiteman could also get one, as could Brown, Shashoua, Bennetts etc. It's just we won't release the info and noone would no about ti as there isn't the concern or hype about them.

@Spursidol would know more and be able to help though

The club's got less open about announcing contract situations in recent years - other than when the club want to make announcements for marketing reasons, to ward off potential suitors of players, or simply to give fans good news (and these contracts may well have been signed weeks or even months ago but the announcement simply delayed).

Spurs used to wait until Spring to decide which Academy Year 2 players would get a pro contract or a 3rd year Scholarship or to be released, and I think this still goes on to a large extent, with the first pro contract often being for one year. However its always been the case that the club will tie down the best kids pretty much when they turn 17 (the earliest date English law says they can sign a contract, although I think some sign a sort of pre-contract at may be aged 16) and that will be for longer, 3 years with maybe a club option to extend. But I get the feeling that there are more kids signing a pro contract aged 17 rather than awaiting the Spring decision making process than there were a few years ago.

So to illustrate the above with this years Academy year 2 players, we know CCV has signed a pro-contract (but not via OS) and I expect Maghoma and Glover have (but no information) but for the others we may need to wait until the Spring (or even June's Retained List) to be sure what is happening to them

So coming back to the specifics of the thread, Marcus Edwards turns 17 in December 2015, so cannot have signed a pro-contract yet but from all the rumours has signed some sort of contract which I'd describe as effectively a pre-contract - the main difference probably being that the club is in a less secure contractual position. I'm not a lawyer and I'm told that the law on kids under 17 signing contracts is a bit of a specialist area - with contracts signed aged 16 not being totally binding but not 'unbinding' either, maybe a lawyer can summarise the main points for us.

 

[Bobbins]

That mentality shortened Michael Owen's career.

And has seen Rooney pretty much burnt out at 29.

 

[Trix]

Trent Alexander-Arnold (who is apparently very highly rated) turned 17 three days ago and signed a pro contract on the same day. I suspect we will/attempt to do that with Edwards.

100%. Although could go either way, as others(with bigger wallets) are very interested.

 

[C-oops]

100%. Although could go either way, as others(with bigger wallets) are very interested.

Lets hope he is being advised well then. Surely he will see he will get a chance here with Poch in charge. Going to Chelsea or Man City ( if indeed it is them who are included in those interested) would be career suicide. Would be a huge loss if he went elsewhere.

 

[Breezer]

I know Marcus has had offers from Madrid and City. But his father wants him to remain at Spurs and eventually break into the first team. Some at Spurs are not sure he will make it all the way as he still needs to improve certain aspects of his game. Obviously he's still young and has plenty time to improve but so many kids his age blow the opportunity. Marcus staying also comes down to what DL offers him to stay. As I've mentioned in earlier posts Marcus is best mates with Reece Oxford and knows exactly how much he's being paid. He knows his value and will expect a substantial offer from Tottenham, especially with other teams hounding him for his signature.

 

[IGSpur]

Lets hope he is being advised well then. Surely he will see he will get a chance here with Poch in charge. Going to Chelsea or Man City ( if indeed it is them who are included in those interested) would be career suicide. Would be a huge loss if he went elsewhere.

I know its not fashionable to question Poch in this regard but what young players want to see is they will be given a chance.

Pellegrini gave Marco Lopes a couple of games a couple of seasons ago.

And this year Iheanacho, Robert's and George Evans, either in the PL or Cups. I know 2 were PL.

In comparison Posh gave Winks and Onomah 20mins each last season and has only given Winks mins this year only in the EL but he has introduced Mason who has kept a consistent place.

You could argue he also gave chances to Alli though he was bought after 2 seasons of league football.

My point isn't against Poch but for Edwards there isn't much difference between the two when it comes to giving chances atm we can't predict if Poch will do more in the future but this season Pellegrini seems willing

Also City pay significantly more and also play in UEFA youth CL which may be alluring.

 

[Trix]

I know its not fashionable to question Poch in this regard but what young players want to see is they will be given a chance.

Pellegrini gave Marco Lopes a couple of games a couple of seasons ago.

And this year Iheanacho, Robert's and George Evans, either in the PL or Cups. I know 2 were PL.

In comparison Posh gave Winks and Onomah 20mins each last season and has only given Winks mins this year only in the EL but he has introduced Mason who has kept a consistent place.

You could argue he also gave chances to Alli though he was bought after 2 seasons of league football.

My point isn't against Poch but for Edwards there isn't much difference between the two when it comes to giving chances atm we can't predict if Poch will do more in the future but this season Pellegrini seems willing

Also City pay significantly more and also play in UEFA youth CL which may be alluring.

Southampton? Espanol?

 

[Nigel Spinal]

He won't go to another EPL club as there's an agreement in place between clubs not to poach from each other's academies before they sign pro contracts.

The only danger is from abroad (like Azzaoui)