gibbospurs
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ade back to his usual, 4000 3 yard pointless passes sideways!! Lennon should of been on 10 mins into the second half. Didnt get it in their box enough. Really think we are not gonna get top 4.
Match ratings- spurs v's sunderland
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Blake Griffin
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friedel 6
walker 7
gallas 7
kaboul 7
ekotto 7
parker 7
sandro 6 - some heart-stopping moments but in fairness recovered well
modric 6
vdv 6
bale 5
ade 5
lennon 7
walker 7
gallas 7
kaboul 7
ekotto 7
parker 7
sandro 6 - some heart-stopping moments but in fairness recovered well
modric 6
vdv 6
bale 5
ade 5
lennon 7
Spurs_Bear
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That was a journey north wasted. Martin O'Neill really is the anti-christ of football. Tracksuit wearing shit****.
We had a lot of ball but didn't move the ball quickly enough. It was a real role reversal of recent games, we were lazy with the ball but without it we were tenacious (bar Ade who was dogshit). Have to laugh at BC though, whose ratings are spot on but not castigating Ade like you would Defoe if he only attempted 15 passes in a game.
Yet again the Sandro love-in was shown to be premature, an absolute stinker when he had the ball. Better passer than Parker? Fuck. Off. Parker had a poor game with the ball but when our movement in midfield was non existent at times it was difficult for him, Modric and VdV to get anything going.
VdV was our best player, just because he is actually our best player. Not sure what instructions Walker was given today, but it appeared to be "don't run with the ball or attack the full back".
Fuck off Martin O'Neill. ****.
We had a lot of ball but didn't move the ball quickly enough. It was a real role reversal of recent games, we were lazy with the ball but without it we were tenacious (bar Ade who was dogshit). Have to laugh at BC though, whose ratings are spot on but not castigating Ade like you would Defoe if he only attempted 15 passes in a game.
Yet again the Sandro love-in was shown to be premature, an absolute stinker when he had the ball. Better passer than Parker? Fuck. Off. Parker had a poor game with the ball but when our movement in midfield was non existent at times it was difficult for him, Modric and VdV to get anything going.
VdV was our best player, just because he is actually our best player. Not sure what instructions Walker was given today, but it appeared to be "don't run with the ball or attack the full back".
Fuck off Martin O'Neill. ****.
Stavrogin
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I didn't think the match was that bad as a spectacle - it was pretty competitive, the collective uselessness actually produced a flowing rather than stunted game, a flow of ineptitude but still.... And I just can't blame sunderland that much, it wasn't as if they didn't attack and if we wanted them to overcommit going forward it's because we'd have expected to annihilate them - so...
Anyhow, in retrospect we did have a problem with how we went out - you could say it was down to a lack of familiarity between Modric/Parker and Sandro and their roles but too often it was shades of Zokora/Jenas with one of them drifting into redundant positions; or passages of play with Parker the key figure when it probably should have been Modric - and all this was compounded by Bale and Van der Vaart's often ineffective roamation.
It was a bit like trying to attack a castle with a flannel. We definitely needed more structure. When a team is turtling like Sunderland you either optimise or rely on the players coming good - which didn't happen.
Everyone was about 6/7 I guess, errors were pretty evenly distributed throughout - and you can't blame the grass for a lot of them.
Anyhow, in retrospect we did have a problem with how we went out - you could say it was down to a lack of familiarity between Modric/Parker and Sandro and their roles but too often it was shades of Zokora/Jenas with one of them drifting into redundant positions; or passages of play with Parker the key figure when it probably should have been Modric - and all this was compounded by Bale and Van der Vaart's often ineffective roamation.
It was a bit like trying to attack a castle with a flannel. We definitely needed more structure. When a team is turtling like Sunderland you either optimise or rely on the players coming good - which didn't happen.
Everyone was about 6/7 I guess, errors were pretty evenly distributed throughout - and you can't blame the grass for a lot of them.
stemark44
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MOTM was easily VDV,best player on the pitch.
Modric and Bale both had poorish games compared to the way we know they can play.
The weakest links were Ekotto who see's plenty of the ball and does' so little with it.
Sandro who was just so sloppy,I had high hopes for this lad and I hope its just a series of injuries that have stifled his development because he looks very one dimensional at present.
Adeboyor had a poor game,was played a couple of super balls by VDV and really should have done better.It's games like this when you really need a far more intelligent striker up front like a Rooney,Aquero or a van Persie.
We have nothing in our current squad suitable.
Gallas and Kaboul both defended well again and Walker did a job on McClean.
Modric and Bale both had poorish games compared to the way we know they can play.
The weakest links were Ekotto who see's plenty of the ball and does' so little with it.
Sandro who was just so sloppy,I had high hopes for this lad and I hope its just a series of injuries that have stifled his development because he looks very one dimensional at present.
Adeboyor had a poor game,was played a couple of super balls by VDV and really should have done better.It's games like this when you really need a far more intelligent striker up front like a Rooney,Aquero or a van Persie.
We have nothing in our current squad suitable.
Gallas and Kaboul both defended well again and Walker did a job on McClean.
Misfit
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Yep. Can't argue with the VDV comments. Different class in most aspects to the rest of our squad. Shame he had a bout of the hot shoe shuffles with his chance in the 2nd half but another good game from him. Talent and mentality. The only one who has them both of our attacking players.
Shame Lennon couldn't have come back a couple of weeks earlier. He looked very bright when he came on. Hopefully he's OK to start against Narge.
Shame Lennon couldn't have come back a couple of weeks earlier. He looked very bright when he came on. Hopefully he's OK to start against Narge.
Kingstheman
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Chelsea beat Wigan at home which was predictable although they were poor and more than lucky.
We drew with Sunderland which is a good point in the overall scheme of things
but the performance was poor, sloppy passing, too slow build up and not enough skill in the box.
They killed the game and got as many points as we did which suits them.
So really nothing lost if Arsenal draw tomorrow.
Clean sheet: 7 all round for the defense, perhaps Kaboul shades it with 7.5
Parker(6) and Sandro(5)poor in possession or lacking in positive passing.
Modric made an effort but too crowded for him to find spaces..6.5
Van Der Vaart lively but should have scored (7) Bale roaming again (6)
Adebayor, the search parties are still out. (4)
Lennon played well but should have been on much earlier.
One of the worst games I have watched all season, but not entirely our fault.
But Swansea had something like 70% possession against Newcastle and lost 2-0.
We drew with Sunderland which is a good point in the overall scheme of things
but the performance was poor, sloppy passing, too slow build up and not enough skill in the box.
They killed the game and got as many points as we did which suits them.
So really nothing lost if Arsenal draw tomorrow.
Clean sheet: 7 all round for the defense, perhaps Kaboul shades it with 7.5
Parker(6) and Sandro(5)poor in possession or lacking in positive passing.
Modric made an effort but too crowded for him to find spaces..6.5
Van Der Vaart lively but should have scored (7) Bale roaming again (6)
Adebayor, the search parties are still out. (4)
Lennon played well but should have been on much earlier.
One of the worst games I have watched all season, but not entirely our fault.
But Swansea had something like 70% possession against Newcastle and lost 2-0.
Good point from an awful game and a performance which lacked width, pace, creativity, immagination, quality and ambition!
we were so slow in possesion to call it pedestrian would be generous. Sunderland set up for a point and we never ever threatened to deny them getting it, we basically ended up playing 4 yes 4 players in central midfield as Rafa is never going to stay wide and nor is he going to play that close to Ade. So we enede up with Parker, sandro, Luka and Rafa basically all on top of each other with no options to move the ball out of the over congested central areas, no wide balls to hit and no pace to move it at!
lets be honest here we created nothing, apart from maybe a half chance that Lennon created for Rafa and in fact the tedious and unimaginative Sunderland actually created the best openings! I can't even tell you who was in goal for Sunderland, they didn't have a save to make, a cross to deal with, to come off their line to narrow the angle, to tip something over the bar, just absolutely nothing!
Let's talk about Parker and Sandro for a second, both very very good players Without the ball, with it both are very very average, do you want somebody like Parker with his limited ability on the ball having possesion of it a hundred times a game? Do you fuck! It's fine for him to win it back for you and rotate possesion for you but 100 odd times is a no no, especially when one of his 3 partners in there is so limited on it as well!
They had an inexperienced FB (actually a midfield player) and we ran at him twice in 90 minutes, once from bale and once from Lennon and we beat him both times, apart from that he might as well sat on a deck chair eating a hot dog with a cigar on the go as we tested him with nothing!
Adebayor must have wondered where his team mates were, the once or twice we did get it wide in advanced areas he was joined in the box by, er nobody, nobody at all!
A point at Sunderland these days is a very decent point and it may prove vital at the end of the campaign, but fuck me we could have at least had something of a go especially when they made it so obvious that they wern't going to commit players at us!
Friedel 7
Walker 6
Gallas 7
Kaboul 7
Bae 6
Sandro 5
Parker 5
Modders 5
Rafa 5
Bale 6
Ade 5
Lennon 7
we were so slow in possesion to call it pedestrian would be generous. Sunderland set up for a point and we never ever threatened to deny them getting it, we basically ended up playing 4 yes 4 players in central midfield as Rafa is never going to stay wide and nor is he going to play that close to Ade. So we enede up with Parker, sandro, Luka and Rafa basically all on top of each other with no options to move the ball out of the over congested central areas, no wide balls to hit and no pace to move it at!
lets be honest here we created nothing, apart from maybe a half chance that Lennon created for Rafa and in fact the tedious and unimaginative Sunderland actually created the best openings! I can't even tell you who was in goal for Sunderland, they didn't have a save to make, a cross to deal with, to come off their line to narrow the angle, to tip something over the bar, just absolutely nothing!
Let's talk about Parker and Sandro for a second, both very very good players Without the ball, with it both are very very average, do you want somebody like Parker with his limited ability on the ball having possesion of it a hundred times a game? Do you fuck! It's fine for him to win it back for you and rotate possesion for you but 100 odd times is a no no, especially when one of his 3 partners in there is so limited on it as well!
They had an inexperienced FB (actually a midfield player) and we ran at him twice in 90 minutes, once from bale and once from Lennon and we beat him both times, apart from that he might as well sat on a deck chair eating a hot dog with a cigar on the go as we tested him with nothing!
Adebayor must have wondered where his team mates were, the once or twice we did get it wide in advanced areas he was joined in the box by, er nobody, nobody at all!
A point at Sunderland these days is a very decent point and it may prove vital at the end of the campaign, but fuck me we could have at least had something of a go especially when they made it so obvious that they wern't going to commit players at us!
Friedel 7
Walker 6
Gallas 7
Kaboul 7
Bae 6
Sandro 5
Parker 5
Modders 5
Rafa 5
Bale 6
Ade 5
Lennon 7
Spurs_Bear
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If Modric and Parker were in the midfield central 2 Parker wouldn't see as much of the ball. There are some serious pros and cons with Modric playing more advanced. He doesn't see enough of the ball.
DJS
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Bus-Conductor
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When I can figure it out I'm going to give you some rep for this beautiful turn of phrase.
I'm not exactly forgiving, but I don't think you'll come across a team who are so well drilled in the art of the deep defensive squeeze. I don't think we were lazy at all, I think we tried to pass and probe but the play was condensed, as in many of the games we see at home when teams come and sit deep.
And it's one thing making 15 attempts away at Sunderland when they are squeezing the life out of you and you are the loan battering ram, it's quite another when you do it at home, every game for 6 years. And I still gave him the lowest mark on our side including Lennon who was on for 25 minutes and attempted 9. So suck that laugh back up.
The rest I concur, especially the bit about Martin O'Neil fucking off.
Bus-Conductor
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Fucking hell, he saw it 80+ times. Personally I'd much rather he saw it further up than in front of our defence. Didn't do us any harm againstChelsea, Bolton and Swansea.
I we just have to accept when a team that well drilled, works that hard at simply stopping you getting behind or round them, you really need something miraculous or fortunate to happen, we just couldn't manage either.
We've seen so many games like that in the last couple of years, usually at WHL though. Last year we failed to beat 9 teams at home, at least this year we have more often than not found the key. Today was just a one of the hardest games of seen us come up against. It would have been easier to brake down a ManC or ManU because at least they attack or at least leave their penalty box.
Kingstheman
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Spurs_Bear
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You're right about how many passes he attempted today, but what I'm saying is I want him to see it more than anyone else. And in a previous post you replied to (haven't worked out multi-quoting yet on the iPhone) I do think we were lazy when we had the ball. We werent direct enough, and with a drilled unit like 'sunlun' movement is even more key. I don't mean passing longer, but we weren't quick enough to try and advance the ball, it was too much like we were 3-0 up from when the game started.
I was just disappointed, probably because I forked out money to go the game and get arse raped by Martin O'****.
We were so easy to defend against it was frustrating too watch, nothing for the keeper to do at all.
You are right movement is the key but also pace and width of which we offered nothing, it's very easy to defend against a side they just fill the middle of the pitch and don't even try to attack you from wide areas, you've done half their job for them!
Incredibly frustrating one dimensional performance!
Is this the first game this seasonn where the other teams keeper hasn't had a save to make, or did he make one?
Bus-Conductor
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I think it's so much easier to do that when the opposition make some pretence of ambition to do more than protect their 30 yard line.
I can understand your frustration, having made the journey but from where I was sitting it wasn't so much of an arse rape, more a probing finger.
