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Match ratings vs Shakhtar Dontesk

SC's Spurs Man of the Match


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Bus-Conductor

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Oct 19, 2004
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Personally I think Shaktar was the toughest draw we could have had and going there one of the toughest games we could play.

I have no problem with Redknapp resting players at all, and actually thought that defensively it was an Ok performance. Once again we saw how piss poor Campbell is, as even though he was given the task of loan striker he was incapable of doing anything exceot letting the ball ping off him every time it got near him. Couldn't hold the ball at all which meant every single time we went forward the ball came bouncing back towards us. And of course, Bent did nothing to change this pattern.

The irony is that we were actually just getting a foothold in the game - having worked our nts off defensively all night - when Redknapp took off one the better players on the night and left on the amoebically zero dimensional Campbell.

The decision to take off Dos Santos, leave Campbell as a right winger and swap Bentley over to his side was Redknapp at his tactical fuckwitted best. How to fuck up three positions with one substitution.

And as for the goal, the 5-live commentary was fucking ridiculous. Completely ignoring that they had three players completely free on a viciously inswerving free kick that had goal written all over straight away, you could just see it happening.
Gomes's attempt to come and do something was doomed but what else could he possibly do. It really pisses me off that these supposed experts don't have the brains or bollocks to actually call it how it was. Where the fuck was our marking. What possible chance did Gomes have. Fucking idiots would rather jump on a bandwaggon and slag off the fall guy. Second goal was no-ones fault. Just a good goal from some good play.

I'm not pissing myself because frankly the old cliche about concentrating on the league has never been truer.

Biggest regret is that having the bollocks to play Parret in midfield, why not have the bollocks to play one of our kids up front instead of that useless prick planted on us by Ferguson to sabotage our game.

Ratings:

Gomes 5 - Nothing much to do really, had little chance with either goal and anyone that thinks the first goal was his fault doesn't understand football - which especially includes ****s like Kevin Ratcliffe and Stan Collimore.

Gunter 6 - Gave the ball away far too often.

Dawson 8 - Defensively a good game. Who the fuck was he marking for the first goal ?

Huddlestone 5 - Not very good all night. Gave the ball away several times, and gets turned and run past too easily.

Chimbonda 6 - Worked hard but also was a bit casual a couple of times.

Bentley 5 - worked hardish but ultimately very disapointing. But we are not playing to his strengths.

Parret 5.5 - Competant enough I guess. Looks to have good technique. Tough place to debut.

Zokora 6.5 - Worked hard, got in some good tackles, interceptions and carries.

Jenas 6 - worked hard.

DosSantos 7 - I thought he was probably our best non-defender. Semed to be involved alot, interchanging passes, offering himself as an outlet constantly and mostly retaining possession. Taking him off was stupid.

Campbell 2 - The fact that he's a ManU player seemed to entitle him to the praise of Kevin wanker Ratcliffe who was positively overflowing with praise for the "intelligent movement" and "fantastic positions" and "better balance now he's on the right wing" and the piece de resistance "once again superb play by Campbell chesting that ball down to....uhm...I'm not sure who should have been there...but...uhm..superb chest down none the less"

Bent 3 - Had one great chance tapped it to the defender.
 

scat1620

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:)

well it should be a surprise because it's the first time I've ever done it - but the :) keeps the ignore button away

are you disputing that jj was the best mid BTW?

Hmmm, being serious for a sec, I dunno, he might have been the best midfielder, but only because Zokora gave away that stupid free kick for the first goal - if he hadn't then I would have said that DZ would have been the pick of the midfield. But that's a relative term because I thought that only Dawson and Huddlestone could be even slightly happy with their performances tonight: I certainly wouldn't have said that JJ (or any other midfielder or attacker) would be a legitimate shout for our MoM for me.
 

hughy

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Nov 18, 2007
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Eek

Wow! We were evidently watching different games! Fair play to your opinion and I won't have a go at it, but I thought GDS was very, very poor today and he did nothing to suggest that he's even a contender for a first XVIII squad place for me. (Not that anyone else apart from Dawson was much cop, but GDS - and Bentley, and one or two others - was amongst the worst of a bad bunch tonight.)



What game were you watching then? Defensively and attacking, Gio was our best midfielder. It was a good decision to take him off for Bent because of lack of match-fitness, but I don't think he put a foot wrong in what was a very tough game for him to get in to.
 

hughy

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As for MoTM, naturally I think Dawson was our best player throughout the 90, but for the fact that he's never played a minute of professional football, and he's coming in to an away game, on a difficult pitch, against a very hungry side, I think Parrett did brilliantly. Especially in the second half. I'd say he was my pick of the bunch.
 

DC_Boy

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May 20, 2005
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Hmmm, being serious for a sec, I dunno, he might have been the best midfielder, but only because Zokora gave away that stupid free kick for the first goal - if he hadn't then I would have said that DZ would have been the pick of the midfield. But that's a relative term because I thought that only Dawson and Huddlestone could be even slightly happy with their performances tonight: I certainly wouldn't have said that JJ (or any other midfielder or attacker) would be a legitimate shout for our MoM for me.

fair comments scat

unfortunately our defending let us down for both goals - so while i'm happy with Daws as MOTM it's not an easy call

jj put in an all action performance - up and down the pitch - both dangerous in attack as well as winning the ball, covering ground, being accurate in possession

yep DZ did ok - but not only did he give away the free kick no way did he provide the attacking threat jj did
 

sim0n

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Jan 29, 2005
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I disagree.

nicdic on target - JJ not only didn't change the match positively with his individual performance, but he didn't exactly rally the troops when the chips were down either...

GDS worked hard and even created a little - imagine that - sub that B@$T@RD0 out...

in all though, truly bentley was worst of a bad lot tonight - did he ever run at some point tonight - maybe for the exit...
 

yanno

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The irony is that we were actually just getting a foothold in the game - having worked our nts off defensively all night - when Redknapp took off one the better players on the night and left on the amoebically zero dimensional Campbell.

The decision to take off Dos Santos, leave Campbell as a right winger and swap Bentley over to his side was Redknapp at his tactical fuckwitted best. How to fuck up three positions with one substitution.

And as for the goal, the 5-live commentary was fucking ridiculous. Completely ignoring that they had three players completely free on a viciously inswerving free kick that had goal written all over straight away, you could just see it happening.
Gomes's attempt to come and do something was doomed but what else could he possibly do. It really pisses me off that these supposed experts don't have the brains or bollocks to actually call it how it was. Where the fuck was our marking. What possible chance did Gomes have. Fucking idiots would rather jump on a bandwaggon and slag off the fall guy.

Yup and yup.

Frazier up front meant the only option going forwards was to play the ball into channels - which may turn Joe Jordan on, but is not my idea of top level football.

I assume the plan - very limited that it was - involved congesting the middle of the park and nicking a goal. But Parrett & JJ were never able to support Frazier because he may even have a worse first touch than Bent with his back to goal, and thus will never hold the ball up.

And Gio and Bentley were playing so deep, presumably for tactical reasons, that we really had nothing going for us offensively.
 

ultimateloner

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Our quality of football was shocking. I expect better even from a 2nd string team. Nothing on goal for the entire 2nd half - very disappointing. Shakhtar was terrible as well.

I agree with most of what's been said but want to add the following:

GDS is an intelligent player. He knows when and where to release the ball, creating a half chance for Jenas. However his strength on the ball/balance is disappointing. You could tell he was struggling when a defender comes from behind. Hopefully this is just a matter of fitness.

Dawson looks good in this game only because Huddlestone was reluctant to take charge - didn't attack the ball one single time.

Both Campbell and Bent can't hold onto the ball. Campbell's slightly better because he at least tries to drop deeper whereas Bent didn't even try. Bent will soon go.

Bentley was the worst of the lot. How we could sign him for 17m I would never know. He was 1 of the senior players in this match and should have imposed himself more - instead his movment is completely limited to the right flank. Lacks fighting mentality.
 

ErikTheViking

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Jenas was probably our best midfielder, but I was more impressed with parrett. Jenas works hard, all action all the time, but when he get's the ball he tries to do things he only manage 1 of 5. Not necessary error, but just don't good enough. I'm not a fan of jenas, neither I dislike Jenas, but there is no way Jenas ever will be a part of a top 4 side.
 

DC_Boy

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Jenas was probably our best midfielder, but I was more impressed with parrett. Jenas works hard, all action all the time, but when he get's the ball he tries to do things he only manage 1 of 5. Not necessary error, but just don't good enough. I'm not a fan of jenas, neither I dislike Jenas, but there is no way Jenas ever will be a part of a top 4 side.

fair enough erik

to me jj's performance was way better than parrett's - it wasn't even close

I'd have taken him off at half time but he did improve in the second half
 

kernowspur

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Dawson had a good game. |I don't know why some think Hudd was solid, a couple opf really poor passes in 1st half when inhis own penalty area could easily have led to goals. He is too slow and is easily turned. Not much else to say, JJ and Zok were ok and Cambell tried but was just too isolated most of the time.
I have given up trying to work our Harry's tactics and substitutions, but this no where near the Tottenham I love.
 

walworthyid

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Oct 25, 2004
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Not gonna give ratings because I missed 20 minutes of the second half but will group them.

Dawson mom

Zokora, JJ, Parret Decent

Bentley, Campbell, Hudd, Gio, chimbo reasonable

Gunter defended well but gives the ball away

Lastly gomes, his distribution was poor at times but he was NOT at fault for the goal at all. The defenders never picked up the sub coming on and he had a free run at a tempting little ball. If gomes stays he only saves it if it is straight at him and so he tried to get to the ball first but the lad nipped in front of him. If he can't get to the ball first he can't get to the ball first. It would have been a goal almost certainly if he had stayed put.

Oh yeh, Bent! Please, what does he actually offer?
 

hughy

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fair enough erik

to me jj's performance was way better than parrett's - it wasn't even close

I'd have taken him off at half time but he did improve in the second half


The fact that you're even comparing Jenas to Parrett shows how little sense you talk.
 

walworthyid

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Well, I think we can safely say he offers more than Campbell. :wink:

I'm not a fan of either but at least Bent will score goals for you. Campbell has more about him than Bent in terms of effort, movement and tracking back, but in fairness neither would be anywhere near my first 11 based on our current squad. Fortunately neither will be at spurs next season!
 

hybridsoldier

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Its unfair to judge Bent, God knows why he didnt play from the start today.

The guy only plays in bits and parts, you cant get form going and score goals like tat!

He won't be at Spurs next season thats for sure, I really hope he goes Sunderland or Newcastle because the supply line at Everton and Villa...he would be a massive hit
 

900triumph

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Apr 6, 2005
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Daws clear MOTM for me. I thought Zoko had a decent 2nd half and often fail to understand the slagging he gets. Was a crap foul to give away, although not his fault it resulted in a goal. Can't agree with the Ch. 5 guys and many on here blaming Gomes alone - good free kick and poor marking left him without options, although WTF was the "injury" all about? Get UP you tart!
Jenas peed me off, even though it wasn't a bad performance - he did most of his stuff reasonably well, but why does he just run into defenders so often? You can't go through them JJ, so get your head up and pass the ball.

Disappointed, again, by the Amazing Disappearing Man, Bentley. I'm trying to understand why he's so ineffective for us, work out if it's a tactical problem and not his fault directly, but I'm running out of straws to clutch at. Maybe he really is shite:shrug:.

Actually thought we'd turned it around quite well in the second half, but it was always going to be a difficult match and doubly so with such a disjointed squad. Trouble is we've played like that with the first team sometimes recently, and if Scholes plays for Man Yoo to the standard he did yesterday we're in the shiyite biiiiiig time on 1st March. Saving grace will be Palacios saving our skins in the Prem. 3-1 away win at Hull. COYS!
 
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