Matthias Ginter

[Flashspur]

ITK sources are suggesting that we are tracking this lad.

Matthias Lukas Ginter (born 19 January 1994) is a German defender who plays as a CB for SC Freiburg in the Bundesliga. He went to Brazil as part of Germany's 23 man squad and was the youngest player on the team. He is only 20 and has made about 70 appearences for his club and has been capped for Germany at Under 18, 19 and 21 levels and has represented the Duetsche Mannschaft in full internationals on two occasions.

Big strong lad at 1.90 or 6.3" in the old measuring standard. He can be a little slow on the turn but solid on the ground and good in the air. A better prospect then Stones for me, at the same age.

 

[Sweech]

I wish.

I can only imagine what Freiburg will be asking for and I imagine the bigger German clubs will be all over him too.

I'm guessing he'll be going for around 15mil+ but wouldn't be surprised if it ended up being closer to 20mil.

 

[Sandro30]

I wish.

I can only imagine what Freiburg will be asking for and I imagine the bigger German clubs will be all over him too.

I'm guessing he'll be going for around 15mil+ but wouldn't be surprised if it ended up being closer to 20mil.

No way will it be that much.

 

[Sweech]

No way will it be that much.

Just wait.

He may not have featured, but being in a world cup winning squad also artificially boosts value. Not to mention his value was already extremely high to begin with.

He's also been heavily linked to Dortmund and it's a move he'd like to happen.

 

[fecka]

Just wait.

He may not have featured, but being in a world cup winning squad also artificially boosts value. Not to mention his value was already extremely high to begin with.

He's also been heavily linked to Dortmund and it's a move he'd like to happen.

Ginter will definitely not be above 15m this summer and is probably closer to about 10m. The World Cup will not inflate the value on a player who did not feature.

 

[Sweech]

Ginter will definitely not be above 15m this summer and is probably closer to about 10m. The World Cup will not inflate the value on a player who did not feature.

He'll be over 10 million easily. Guaranteed.

 

[Lufti]

He'll be over 10 million easily. Guaranteed.

They sold Cisse, their best player and top scorer for £9m. The fee wont top £12m

 

[Sweech]

They sold Cisse, their best player and top scorer for £9m. The fee wont top £12m

The market has changed a lot in the four years since that happened.

 

[Lufti]

The market has changed a lot in the four years since that happened.

Not in the Bundesliga it hasn't.

Chalhanoglu went for just under £13m, Ginter will not go for more than that.

In fact, Kruse went for £2m last year.

Two, million, pounds.

 

[DaSpurs]

Not in the Bundesliga it hasn't.

Chalhanoglu went for just under £13m, Ginter will not go for more than that

Why do you think this is?

Cal was also a weird buy from them. Don't get why they think they needed him at all.

 

[Lufti]

Why do you think this is?

Cal was also a weird buy from them. Don't get why they think they needed him at all.

Because the German market in general is steady, and the football hasn't changed. There's been no bumper TV deals, and the clubs have philosophies. They don't get greedy over player sales, as they know they can just get others to step up from the academy pretty easily, and to be honest, the clubs aren't particularly rich. Take away Bayern, Dortmund, Hoffenheim and Wolfsburg, and the clubs aren't as rich as their premierleague counterparts and aren't willing to simply operate in debt. They're much better run than that.

As for Calhanoglu, I'd imagine he's a direct replacement for Sidney Sam, who is of course now a royal blue

 

[DaSpurs]

Because the German market in general is steady, and the football hasn't changed. There's been no bumper TV deals, and the clubs have philosophies. They don't get greedy over player sales, as they know they can just get others to step up from the academy pretty easily, and to be honest, the clubs aren't particularly rich. Take away Bayern, Dortmund, Hoffenheim and Wolfsburg, and the clubs aren't as rich as their premierleague counterparts and aren't willing to simply operate in debt. They're much better run than that.

As for Calhanoglu, I'd imagine he's a direct replacement for Sidney Sam, who is of course now a royal blue

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Sam mostly play from the right? Still a strange acquisition by my book, especially since they're very different types of wingers/wide forwards. Congrats though, that's a solid bit of business by Schalke. Rather underrated player.

Yeah, I knew the Bundesliga clubs weren't particularly rich, but with the now four CL spots and now a solid TV deal with Fox 21st Century in the States, I figured there'd be sufficient infusion of cash such that things would at least start to change. For instance, Bayern has already dedicated quite a bit of resources to push their brand recently here in the States. Surprised more clubs haven't gotten in on it with getting aggressive before it comes to US TV in a year.

But the relevant point is (not a tangent, sorry), I figured more clubs would up the spending to try to enhance their positions as much as possible before those TV deals expanded in the near future. Digging into the American market while so many of them have yet to choose teams, much less German teams, is just good business. And especially on the back of a WC win. So maybe not just yet, but I do expect things to start to change in the near future.

If you view my thinking here as entirely off, please do inform me though. Very interested in the workings of the Bundesliga at the moment, as I'm stoked for that TV deal to start next fall.

 

[indianspurs]

Because the German market in general is steady, and the football hasn't changed. There's been no bumper TV deals, and the clubs have philosophies. They don't get greedy over player sales, as they know they can just get others to step up from the academy pretty easily, and to be honest, the clubs aren't particularly rich. Take away Bayern, Dortmund, Hoffenheim and Wolfsburg, and the clubs aren't as rich as their premierleague counterparts and aren't willing to simply operate in debt. They're much better run than that.

As for Calhanoglu, I'd imagine he's a direct replacement for Sidney Sam, who is of course now a royal blue

Read somewhere that clubs aren't allowed to operate with debts and no one can single-handedly own more than 50%. All true ? If yes then I think that's how other leagues should operate too.

 

[DaSpurs]

Read somewhere that clubs aren't allowed to operate with debts and no one can single-handedly own more than 50%. All true ? If yes then I think that's how other leagues should operate too.

Yeah that's just wonderful. Extremely well-run league with well-run clubs and some very exciting players. Is going nowhere but up.

We should pull more Germans out of there before it does though

 

[indianspurs]

Yeah that's just wonderful. Extremely well-run league with well-run clubs and some very exciting players. Is going nowhere but up.

We should pull more Germans out of there before it does though

@Lufti get working

 

[Lufti]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Sam mostly play from the right? Still a strange acquisition by my book, especially since they're very different types of wingers/wide forwards. Congrats though, that's a solid bit of business by Schalke. Rather underrated player.

Yeah, I knew the Bundesliga clubs weren't particularly rich, but with the now four CL spots and now a solid TV deal with Fox 21st Century in the States, I figured there'd be sufficient infusion of cash such that things would at least start to change. For instance, Bayern has already dedicated quite a bit of resources to push their brand recently here in the States. Surprised more clubs haven't gotten in on it with getting aggressive before it comes to US TV in a year.

But the relevant point is (not a tangent, sorry), I figured more clubs would up the spending to try to enhance their positions as much as possible before those TV deals expanded in the near future. Digging into the American market while so many of them have yet to choose teams, much less German teams, is just good business. And especially on the back of a WC win. So maybe not just yet, but I do expect things to start to change in the near future.

If you view my thinking here as entirely off, please do inform me though. Very interested in the workings of the Bundesliga at the moment, as I'm stoked for that TV deal to start next fall.

I don't think you're off, but I think you're possibly looking at it from too much of a premier league fan / american sports fan (no offence) perspective. I think the first thing to remember is that all German clubs are owned by the fans and by German owners, so the emphasis is much more on the domestic market and the national team. (Of course, Bayern have sort of already fulfilled that market, they are the largest supported team in Germany, with fans from all across the country, and their continued success will constantly bring in new fans. Likewise their renown within Europe, and strong support from neighbouring countries such as Switzerland and Austria means they have to search for new markets, which in recent years included India and now like you say, America, though I think they have a strong following there anyway). But it means purchasing foreign players for extensive amounts and marginalising German players doesn't help the national teams and doesn't particularly appeal to the fans. The fans always love a home grown player!

As for exploiting foreign markets, I think more German clubs are starting to look abroad to boost merchandise sales and revenue, and this is evident simply by how the clubs websites are becoming more bilingual. But like I say, aside from Bayern and the top two or three clubs, there are still neighbouring countries and the domestic market which can be exploited more.

But anyway, referring back to my original point 'I think you're possibly looking at it from too much of a premier league fan / american sports fan (no offence) perspective', in general I think the fans appreciate the way the clubs are run and the easy access to the sport. It's what makes football in Germany great and sustainable, from fan clubs, to cheap tickets to open training sessions, and terrestrial tv broadcasts. At the moment Bayern are dominating the league, and although they're always there or thereabouts, a lot of different teams have won the league in the last decade or two, and the top four and top seven is constantly changing. Clubs don't look at the situation and see throwing cash at the problem as the solution, at least not in terms of player purchases. Someone (I can't remember who) from the DFB was talking about this recently and was saying how he wasn't worried about Bayern's spending or dominance because the bundesliga always changes with so many great young players always coming through.

In general, the league is much more focused on entertainment, sustainability, running the clubs well, using the youth systems, and in general focusing on the fans. I think some examples of this are how Bayern refused to up season ticket prices, provided funds for fans to watch the game against Arsenal for less, how Dortmund wouldn't up their food prices by like €0.10, because even though it would generate millions of euros revenue each season, all because makes a difference to the fans.

I'm not an expert, but using what knowledge I have that's the best answer I can put together for you!

If that was TLDR, here's the summary: Customer satisfaction is more important to German clubs than extensive spending

 

[Lufti]

Read somewhere that clubs aren't allowed to operate with debts and no one can single-handedly own more than 50%. All true ? If yes then I think that's how other leagues should operate too.

You're right, there can't be one single majority shareholder

 

[DaSpurs]

I don't think you're off, but I think you're possibly looking at it from too much of a premier league fan / american sports fan (no offence) perspective. I think the first thing to remember is that all German clubs are owned by the fans and by German owners, so the emphasis is much more on the domestic market and the national team. (Of course, Bayern have sort of already fulfilled that market, they are the largest supported team in Germany, with fans from all across the country, and their continued success will constantly bring in new fans. Likewise their renown within Europe, and strong support from neighbouring countries such as Switzerland and Austria means they have to search for new markets, which in recent years included India and now like you say, America, though I think they have a strong following there anyway). But it means purchasing foreign players for extensive amounts and marginalising German players doesn't help the national teams and doesn't particularly appeal to the fans. The fans always love a home grown player!

As for exploiting foreign markets, I think more German clubs are starting to look abroad to boost merchandise sales and revenue, and this is evident simply by how the clubs websites are becoming more bilingual. But like I say, aside from Bayern and the top two or three clubs, there are still neighbouring countries and the domestic market which can be exploited more.

But anyway, referring back to my original point 'I think you're possibly looking at it from too much of a premier league fan / american sports fan (no offence) perspective', in general I think the fans appreciate the way the clubs are run and the easy access to the sport. It's what makes football in Germany great and sustainable, from fan clubs, to cheap tickets to open training sessions, and terrestrial tv broadcasts. At the moment Bayern are dominating the league, and although they're always there or thereabouts, a lot of different teams have won the league in the last decade or two, and the top four and top seven is constantly changing. Clubs don't look at the situation and see throwing cash at the problem as the solution, at least not in terms of player purchases. Someone (I can't remember who) from the DFB was talking about this recently and was saying how he wasn't worried about Bayern's spending or dominance because the bundesliga always changes with so many great young players always coming through.

In general, the league is much more focused on entertainment, sustainability, running the clubs well, using the youth systems, and in general focusing on the fans. I think some examples of this are how Bayern refused to up season ticket prices, provided funds for fans to watch the game against Arsenal for less, how Dortmund wouldn't up their food prices by like €0.10, because even though it would generate millions of euros revenue each season, all because makes a difference to the fans.

I'm not an expert, but using what knowledge I have that's the best answer I can put together for you!

If that was TLDR, here's the summary: Customer satisfaction is more important to German clubs than extensive spending

Awful timing to have a meeting, but I'm planning on continuing this interesting discussion afterwards.

Thanks a bunch for the info though.

 

[Yid]

I wish.
I can only imagine what Freiburg will be asking for and I imagine the bigger German clubs will be all over him too.
I'm guessing he'll be going for around 15mil+ but wouldn't be surprised if it ended up being closer to 20mil.

The monetary values for Bundesliga footballers were just updated a couple of days ago on Transfermarkt.de, and Ginter is currently valued at 10,56 Million £.

Those are obviously estimates (and not set in stone by any means), but nevertheless gives you an idea of what to expect. The rule of thumb (at least one that's worked for me so far), is to tack on approx. 30% of the total monetary value, and that usually puts me in the ballpark of the max transfer fee for the given player.

So in regards to Ginter, let's add about 3.5 mil or so on top of the 10.5, and you're not too far off from your initial estimate of 15 mil.
14 Million £ is the absolute tops for his transfer fee, or so my educated "guesstimate" leads me to believe.

 

[Mairtin123]

does anyone know if he has a buy-out clause