Mauricio Pochettino

[Nine while nine]

But as the only major country to use a
foreign national to manage our international team we have already started to dilute the spirit of this competition, which is about what our country has to offer against all other countries.

Well, we're the only major country to use a foreign national apart from Brazil.

And Argentina.

And Italy.

And France.

And Spain.

But, apart from all that, yeah, it's us.

And what about coaching staff? Germany's current goalkeeping coach is Swiss. Ours is Welsh. Does that dilute the spirit of the competition? Or are we getting ridiculously hung up on the topic of nationality when it's far more fluid these days than it ever has been. I think it's a bit rich to say that competition is about what our country has to offer, when, some might argue, it's about what our country has to offer because we nicked one of our better players off the Irish.

 

[Trix]

He's not spoken out though according the article. He's told friend, who have then apparently leaked it. It's probably bollocks anyway.

I've heard an interview where he does say he'd be interested in managing a national team other than Argentina but he didn't specifically mention England.

 

[YB123]

Imagine someone like Pep said they wanted the England job but you chose Gerrard or Lampard because they are English. Its nonsense in my eyes.

The reason Sven and Capello both failed is because they both had zero experience of English football, culture etc & on top no international experience.

It should be best man for the job.

 

[mr ashley]

Well, we're the only major country to use a foreign national apart from Brazil.

And Argentina.

And Italy.

And France.

And Spain.

But, apart from all that, yeah, it's us.

And what about coaching staff? Germany's current goalkeeping coach is Swiss. Ours is Welsh. Does that dilute the spirit of the competition? Or are we getting ridiculously hung up on the topic of nationality when it's far more fluid these days than it ever has been. I think it's a bit rich to say that competition is about what our country has to offer, when, some might argue, it's about what our country has to offer because we nicked one of our better players off the Irish.

Clearly- the conversation was about coaching staff not players.

So, which other top nation has a head coach from another country?
None of those you have stated.

Personally, I don’t think its difficult to understand why people still argue the case for international competition to be about those from the specific country. Even those naturalised passport holders are a fair part of the argument.
but that’s not Sven or Fabio (or Poch or Tuchel).
Im sure that the recent suggestion by Ronaldo Nazario about Jose or ancelotti managing Brazil will get short shrift in Brazil as well but let’s see.

But this doesn’t need to end up in a conversation about the Elgin marbles or any other whataboutery.
It isn’t an outlandish point to make

 

[Nine while nine]

Clearly- the conversation was about coaching staff not players.

So, which other top nation has a head coach from another country?
None of those you have stated.

Personally, I don’t think its difficult to understand why people still argue the case for international competition to be about those from the specific country. Even those naturalised passport holders are a fair part of the argument.
but that’s not Sven or Fabio (or Poch or Tuchel).
Im sure that the recent suggestion by Ronaldo Nazario about Jose or ancelotti managing Brazil will get short shrift in Brazil as well but let’s see.

But this doesn’t need to end up in a conversation about the Elgin marbles or any other whataboutery.
It isn’t an outlandish point to make

Clearly, the conversation was about coaching staff.

So which other top nation has had a head coach from another country?

All of those I stated.

Brazil have been managed by Ramon Platero (Uruguayan), Joreca (Portuguese) and Filipo Nunez (Argentine).

Argentina have been managed by Felipe Pascucci (Italian).

Italy have been managed by William Garbutt (English)

France have been managed by Jose Arribas (Spanish) and Stefan Kovacs (Romanian)

Spain have been managed by Helenio Herrera (Argentine)

And that's discounting dubious dual nationals like Laszlo Kubala.


But, again, if you ignore all of them, then you're completely correct in what you say.

 

[mr ashley]

Clearly, the conversation was about coaching staff.

So which other top nation has had a head coach from another country?

All of those I stated.

Brazil have been managed by Ramon Platero (Uruguayan), Joreca (Portuguese) and Filipo Nunez (Argentine).

Argentina have been managed by Felipe Pascucci (Italian).

Italy have been managed by William Garbutt (English)

France have been managed by Jose Arribas (Spanish) and Stefan Kovacs (Romanian)

Spain have been managed by Helenio Herrera (Argentine)

And that's discounting dubious dual nationals like Laszlo Kubala.


But, again, if you ignore all of them, then you're completely correct in what you say.

In the modern era it’s only us

trawling wikipedia to search back over 100 years might prove a point but it’s also quite a pedantic approach.

But I guess most people will sit on one side of the fence or other in this argument (they either want a team coached by a national, or they don’t care too much and want the best coach available)

 

[thecook]

In the modern era it’s only us

And Belgium.

 

[mr ashley]

And Belgium.

Good point.
I guess if I’d phrased my point correctly I’d have made it clear that we were the originators of this approach in the modern game, by appointing Sven and Fabio.
It’s still very rare for countries to do this.

 

[easley91]

It’s not a racism argument in any way shape or form.
It’s selection based criteria using the country of birth just like the players.

id suggest the use of the word ‘native’ has triggered your response, which is a different matter.

But as the only major country to use a
foreign national to manage our international team we have already started to dilute the spirit of this competition, which is about what our country has to offer against all other countries.

But players isn't solely country of birth anymore. If it was Matty Cash wouldn't be playing for Poland, Lamptey wouldn't be selectable for Ghana and the list goes on.

https://www.squawka.com/en/football-players-switched-international-teams/

 

[mill]

But players isn't solely country of birth anymore. If it was Matty Cash wouldn't be playing for Poland, Lamptey wouldn't be selectable for Ghana and the list goes on.

https://www.squawka.com/en/football-players-switched-international-teams/

Indeed I can think of 3 sets of brothers playing for different national teams, the Williams' at this world Cup, boatengs and thiago and rafina

 

[YB123]

The foreign selection is working in this country for the Lionesses, Cricket, Rugby etc.

Dont see why the mens football team should be any different.

It would be a great bonus for an Englishman to get the job, but the best Englishman available for it appears to be Southgate.

 

[punkisback]

It’s not a racism argument in any way shape or form.
It’s selection based criteria using the country of birth just like the players.

id suggest the use of the word ‘native’ has triggered your response, which is a different matter.

But as the only major country to use a
foreign national to manage our international team we have already started to dilute the spirit of this competition, which is about what our country has to offer against all other countries.

Poch is surely eligible for a UK passport now having lived and work in the uk for 5 years. If he does that can he manage us?

 

[dontcallme]

I really feel like they should ban non natives from managing National teams. I get the argument for the lower and developing nations but i dont know i just feel like all national team managers should be from that country.

Surely any rule should be universal.

 

[Spartan Spurs]

FWIW, Greece is currently managed by Gus Poyet.
Previously by Fernando Santos (Portugal 2022) & of course King Otto Rehhagel.

 

[brasil_spur]

Sounds a bit racist. Surely someone should be judged on ability than county of origin?

In that case I vote we sign up Mbappe and Neymar for England for the 2024 Euros

 

[brasil_spur]

Imagine someone like Pep said they wanted the England job but you chose Gerrard or Lampard because they are English. Its nonsense in my eyes.

The reason Sven and Capello both failed is because they both had zero experience of English football, culture etc & on top no international experience.

It should be best man for the job.

England would be fucking terrible under Pep. His style of play is so specific that it simply doesn't work without the right players, who all play that same way week in week out. Getting together a squad of players from 10+ clubs all with different playing styles to try and get them all playing in one specific way for one major tournament every 2 years would not suit him well.

 

[JeremyPaxton]

In that case I vote we sign up Mbappe and Neymar for England for the 2024 Euros

No. The rules of international football are the players have to be from a certain country. The coaching staff can be from Mars.
This who “purer than pure” stuff about the manager’s nationality too: IMHO who cares? The game is about glory - if a non-English coach can deliver us Glory, then happy days (for me at least)

 

[nailsy]

In the modern era it’s only us

trawling wikipedia to search back over 100 years might prove a point but it’s also quite a pedantic approach.

But I guess most people will sit on one side of the fence or other in this argument (they either want a team coached by a national, or they don’t care too much and want the best coach available)

It's not only us though is it? You've had a dig at Nine for going back years to make a point, but you've ignored all of the smaller nations who've used foreign managers to make your point.

Going back to Poch as England manager... I'm not sure if he'd work well in the job. His English so isn't great. I'm often not sure what he's saying during interviews. I'm not sure if that would be an issue when he isn't seeing players every day in training and only had a short time to get his message across. He also wouldn't be able to implement his fitness regime on the players.

 

[mr ashley]

It's not only us though is it? You've had a dig at Nine for going back years to make a point, but you've ignored all of the smaller nations who've used foreign managers to make your point.

Going back to Poch as England manager... I'm not sure if he'd work well in the job. His English so isn't great. I'm often not sure what he's saying during interviews. I'm not sure if that would be an issue when he isn't seeing players every day in training and only had a short time to get his message across. He also wouldn't be able to implement his fitness regime on the players.

I hadn’t really wanted to carry this on and I certainly didn’t think my initial point was so controversial but to be absolutely clear, my point was always that as a major footballing nation we are the only one that has hired a super coach to come and get results in the modern era. I’m deliberately not talking about smaller footballing nations hiring foreign managers because international football ( like European club football) operates on a two tier system.

You could argue that Belgium have done the same with Roberto Martinez, but that only works if you consider them a major nation (debatable IMO-would it be viewed as a worldwide shock if they didn’t qualify for a tournament? Not so sure).
And yes, you could argue that Helenio Herrera was the first example of a super coach in the 1960s.

But to use someone like Jose Arribas (who fled the Spanish civil war in his teens and spent his whole career in France) to make a point might be technically correct, but it’s still pretty pedantic

Im sure you know as much about William Garbutt and Stefan kovacs too

 

[murichej]

Ok we all know sooner or later (no later than in 18 months) Poch is back.

What players/formation is he playing? What did he play at PSG?

If he is still up for 4231, then my guess is:

Kane
Richarlison NewAM Kulusevski
Bentacur Bissouma
Udogie NewCB Romero NewRB
NewGK

Who I would like as New:
GK: Emi Martinez
CB: Hincapie
RB: Porro
AM: Maddison