Milan Badelj

[fatpiranha]

He's the sort of player we need but i'd rather have Muhamed Besic or ideally Hector Herrera. Herrera is probably out of our price range though .

 

[Barry Mead]

We were linked with him a few years back iirc, despite our previous links with Croatian players it maybe this is a player Broomfield was pushing for and now he's back he's suggesting him again

 

[Lufti]

Hm, like him but don't see the point in it. Holtby can do everything he can, is younger, and already here

 

[Pican]

Hm, like him but don't see the point in it. Holtby can do everything he can, is younger, and already here

Ye no Holtby is not a nr8, he looked awful when played there and hes clearly alot worse in defence than Badelj and can not do everything he can. I have no idea why you would even compare these two as theyre very different players and would most likely not even compete for the same spot.

 

[Lufti]

Ye no Holtby is not a nr8, he looked awful when played there and hes clearly alot worse in defence than Badelj and can not do everything he can. I have no idea why you would even compare these two as theyre very different players and would most likely not even compete for the same spot.

I've answered this question about a million times on here, so i'm gonna just gonna summarise:

-Holtby played no. 8 at Schalke
-Helped them finish third, during which he averaged 2.6 tackles a game and 3.1 interceptions a game, 7 assists, and 1.5 key passes a game
-Compared to Badelj who last season managed 3.6 tackles a game, 2.9 interceptions, 5 assists, and 1.1 key passes a game
-Played as DLP, same as Badelj
-Has PL record for most tackles in a game in whole of PL this season
-Averaged 2.5 tackles a game for Fulham which would make the 4th highest for Spurs, despite him playing the majority of his games further forward for Fulham
-Incidentally, the one game he played at Fulham in the DLP role saw him get his highest rating and the record tackles game

Meh.

 

[Spursh]

I've answered this question about a million times on here, so i'm gonna just gonna summarise:

-Holtby played no. 8 at Schalke
-Helped them finish third, during which he averaged 2.6 tackles a game and 3.1 interceptions a game, 7 assists, and 1.5 key passes a game
-Compared to Badelj who last season managed 3.6 tackles a game, 2.9 interceptions, 5 assists, and 1.1 key passes a game
-Played as DLP, same as Badelj
-Has PL record for most tackles in a game in whole of PL this season
-Averaged 2.5 tackles a game for Fulham which would make the 4th highest for Spurs, despite him playing the majority of his games further forward for Fulham
-Incidentally, the one game he played at Fulham in the DLP role saw him get his highest rating and the record tackles game

Meh.

I like Holtby, he has the qualities I'm sure Poch would appreciate in a midfielder. If coached properly, he could be an excellent central player.

Re Milan, I can see both Sandro and Dembele leaving this Summer, with Capoue, Bentaleb and maybe Lewis as our CM options, so we'd still need one more unless they think Veljkovic is up to it in midfield. If not, I see Badelj as a cheaper alternative to Schneiderlin.

It's also worth noting that Badelj's stats would have been skewered by his side's terrible form that nearly saw them get relegated last season (re the Schalke stats for Holtby). But fair play to Lewis in terms of his Fulham numbers.

 

[DaSpurs]

I like Holtby, he has the qualities I'm sure Poch would appreciate in a midfielder. If coached properly, he could be an excellent central player.

Re Milan, I can see both Sandro and Dembele leaving this Summer, with Capoue, Bentaleb and maybe Lewis as our CM options, so we'd still need one more unless they think Veljkovic is up to it in midfield. If not, I see Badelj as a cheaper alternative to Schneiderlin.

It's also worth noting that Badelj's stats would have been skewered by his side's terrible form that nearly saw them get relegated last season (re the Schalke stats for Holtby). But fair play to Lewis in terms of his Fulham numbers.

This. He did still put up a solid stat line last year, while barring only Rafa and Calhanoglu, the rest of the team did very poor. He put up much, much better numbers in 2012/13 when they finished 7th. He was also forced to play far more defensively this past year given the circumstances, which seems to have given the illusion he's more of a CDM. Plain and simple, he's a DLP who just does his own dirty work.

As for the Holtby reference, I like him as a DLP a lot. But I do worry about him handling the physicality of teams like West Ham and Stoke at the position and the press of the top four. I think he can do it, as there are smaller guys who get yet more stuck in, but it's going to take a rather abrupt shifty in mentality.

 

[Pican]

I've answered this question about a million times on here, so i'm gonna just gonna summarise:

-Holtby played no. 8 at Schalke
-Helped them finish third, during which he averaged 2.6 tackles a game and 3.1 interceptions a game, 7 assists, and 1.5 key passes a game
-Compared to Badelj who last season managed 3.6 tackles a game, 2.9 interceptions, 5 assists, and 1.1 key passes a game
-Played as DLP, same as Badelj
-Has PL record for most tackles in a game in whole of PL this season
-Averaged 2.5 tackles a game for Fulham which would make the 4th highest for Spurs, despite him playing the majority of his games further forward for Fulham
-Incidentally, the one game he played at Fulham in the DLP role saw him get his highest rating and the record tackles game

Meh.

No he wasnt? 12/13 season he played 1 game as no8 and 18 games as no10 with Jones and Neurstädter behind him. (In the league)

Holtby is a good tackler yes, but he also tends to be a headless chicken wanting to do way to much often leaving him in bad positions, and he does not have much of a aerial presence at all.

 

[DaSpurs]

Would prefer Schneiderlin however this one is probably more realistic.

Similar enough because of this past year, but I think Poch would see Schneiderlin as an out-and-out CDM while Badelj as the man to move the team forward and support in attack.

 

[Lufti]

No he wasnt? 12/13 season he played 1 game as no8 and 18 games as no10 with Jones and Neurstädter behind him. (In the league)

Holtby is a good tackler yes, but he also tends to be a headless chicken wanting to do way to much often leaving him in bad positions, and he does not have much of a aerial presence at all.

11/12 season he played there. He only got moved to no.10 during the 12/13 season because Raul left. His positioning is fine when next to a defensive mid

 

[Pican]

11/12 season he played there. He only got moved to no.10 during the 12/13 season because Raul left. His positioning is fine when next to a defensive mid

Fair enough. That is 3 years ago though, and his main position since has been the no10 role. And if none of our managers have seen him as a no8 that is quite telling.

 

[DaSpurs]

Fair enough. That is 3 years ago though, and his main position since has been the no10 role. And if none of our managers have seen him as a no8 that is quite telling.

AVB used him there in late Oct/early Nov when he started hitting his stride. People mention the two CDMs as the two players who got screwed the most by AVB going and Sherwood coming in, but Holtby has to included. He had finally hit a stretch of consistency with the first team after putting in great work to recover from his summer injury and in his cup performances, and then it was all yanked out from under him. Damn shame.

 

[Pican]

AVB used him there in late Oct/early Nov when he started hitting his stride. People mention the two CDMs as the two players who got screwed the most by AVB going and Sherwood coming in, but Holtby has to included. He had finally hit a stretch of consistency with the first team after putting in great work to recover from his summer injury and in his cup performances, and then it was all yanked out from under him. Damn shame.

He got time there in Dec against Anzhi in EL and subbed in for Sandro against Pool. I agree though, he really got screwed by the manager change. I just think its a gamble putting faith that Holtby will come good as a no8, and for the price Badelj is available it should be a nobrainer.

 

[Lufti]

He got time there in Dec against Anzhi in EL and subbed in for Sandro against Pool. I agree though, he really got screwed by the manager change. I just think its a gamble putting faith that Holtby will come good as a no8, and for the price Badelj is available it should be a nobrainer.

But surely it's less of a risk to trust one of the players who's already here and settled, than it is to sign what is essentially an unknown quantity, in the sense that we don't know how he'll adapt to the premiership. Also, though not always the case, the pattern tends to be that players get moved further up the pitch if they're highly rated, and moved back when they're not (Bale/Rose). I think Holtby's eye for a pass saw him moved further up the pitch, but aside from that, I don't think it's an inability to play CM which hasn't seen him play there, but rather a result of the squad of players available. During the last two seasons there have been an abundance of CMs, and like I said before, Holtby was moved further forward at Schalke to make up for Raul's absence

 

[DaSpurs]

He got time there in Dec against Anzhi in EL and subbed in for Sandro against Pool. I agree though, he really got screwed by the manager change. I just think its a gamble putting faith that Holtby will come good as a no8, and for the price Badelj is available it should be a nobrainer.

He also played there against Fulham. He made the comment after that game that his performance and his goal was testament to the fact he prefers sitting deeper and moving forward.

But I agree, if Badelj is that cheap I'd like to see us go for it.

 

[Lufti]

He also played there against Fulham. He made the comment after that game that his performance and his goal was testament to the fact he prefers sitting deeper and moving forward.

But I agree, if Badelj is that cheap I'd like to see us go for it.

Yeah, I agree

Would I take him? Yeah.

Do we particularly need him? No.

Would I be happy for us to sell Dembele to get him? Without a doubt

 

[DaSpurs]

Yeah, I agree

Would I take him? Yeah.

Do we particularly need him? No.

Would I be happy for us to sell Dembele to get him? Without a doubt

I can dig it. While I do think we need a better supplier from deep, and hope Holtby can do that for us, I do like Badelj's defensive ability combined with his offensive ability.

I think it likely Holtby would leave then, since he seems to be rather adamant about being first choice. Don't blame him, came from being a consistent contributor and starter in a CL-caliber side in a strong league.

 

[mill]

Similar enough because of this past year, but I think Poch would see Schneiderlin as an out-and-out CDM while Badelj as the man to move the team forward and support in attack.

Dunno mate he paired schneiderlin with wanyama when fit

 

[Pican]

But surely it's less of a risk to trust one of the players who's already here and settled, than it is to sign what is essentially an unknown quantity, in the sense that we don't know how he'll adapt to the premiership. Also, though not always the case, the pattern tends to be that players get moved further up the pitch if they're highly rated, and moved back when they're not (Bale/Rose). I think Holtby's eye for a pass saw him moved further up the pitch, but aside from that, I don't think it's an inability to play CM which hasn't seen him play there, but rather a result of the squad of players available. During the last two seasons there have been an abundance of CMs, and like I said before, Holtby was moved further forward at Schalke to make up for Raul's absence

I think adapting and settling is way overrated in general, a 25y old whos played a significant part in a team in a comparable league shouldnt have any problem settling, it is impossible to tell tho.

 

[DaSpurs]

Dunno mate he paired schneiderlin with wanyama when fit

He did indeed, but I think that was more so due to lack of options than anything else. He didn't have a physical option capable of defending that he could pair with the CDM, that could also consistently drive the ball forward. He also had far less games to play to keep them happy considering no Europe and early domestic cup exits.

Similar enough because of this past year, but I think Poch would see Schneiderlin as an out-and-out CDM while Badelj as the man to move the team forward and support in attack.

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