Milan Badelj

[Hoddle&Waddle]

Hm, like him but don't see the point in it. Holtby can do everything he can, is younger, and already here

Does Holtby have the defensive quality's though? Yeah we all know Holtby buzzes around putting effort in, but Badelj's defensive stats have been amongst the best in Europe for the last 2 years.

 

[Hoddle&Waddle]

Similar enough because of this past year, but I think Poch would see Schneiderlin as an out-and-out CDM while Badelj as the man to move the team forward and support in attack.

Doubt we'd sign both, plus Schneiderlin isnt that good IMO. Wanyama was the destroyer, Schneiderlin was more if the DLP, not saying he doesnt have defensive qualities though.

 

[Lufti]

I think adapting and settling is way overrated in general, a 25y old whos played a significant part in a team in a comparable league shouldnt have any problem settling, it is impossible to tell tho.

Really? Did you not see this season haha?

Of our 7 signings only Eriksen can hold his head up high after last season..

Does Holtby have the defensive quality's though? Yeah we all know Holtby buzzes around putting effort in, but Badelj's defensive stats have been amongst the best in Europe for the last 2 years.

See my stats about him in previous posts in this thread

 

[Hoddle&Waddle]

See my stats about him in previous posts in this thread

Sorry mate missed that post.

 

[mill]

He did indeed, but I think that was more so due to lack of options than anything else. He didn't have a physical option capable of defending that he could pair with the CDM, that could also consistently drive the ball forward. He also had far less games to play to keep them happy considering no Europe and early domestic cup exits.



But this isn't spam bro, and you know it.

Thought I'd undone it, 'smart' phone my arse

 

[DaSpurs]

Doubt we'd sign both, plus Schneiderlin isnt that good IMO. Wanyama was the destroyer, Schneiderlin was more if the DLP, not saying he doesnt have defensive qualities though.

Yeah I don't think we would either. That would simply be an unnecessary overhaul of the midfield. It's also looking like Sandro may stay after all, so Badelj may be the better option if going for a more forward-thinking option. Schneiderlin was just seen as the DLP option in that Saints side with no other options, but if you look at his stats and game tape it's rather apparent he was more similar to a CDM in that he quickly got rid of the ball and held his position.

 

[Hoddle&Waddle]

Yeah I don't think we would either. That would simply be an unnecessary overhaul of the midfield. It's also looking like Sandro may stay after all, so Badelj may be the better option if going for a more forward-thinking option. Schneiderlin was just seen as the DLP option in that Saints side with no other options, but if you look at his stats and game tape it's rather apparent he was more similar to a CDM in that he quickly got rid of the ball and held his position.

DLP's do hold their positions though in modern formations, you want them there in the central area to keep the ball ticking over. TBH theres not really a hell of a lot of difference between a CDM and a DLP, ones better at passing, the other tackling, they pretty much occupy the same area. Think Schneiderlin is a case of a player punching above his weight due to the Poch effect (like a few others as well), and I dont think he'd improve us.

 

[Pican]

Really? Did you not see this season haha?

Of our 7 signings only Eriksen can hold his head up high after last season..



See my stats about him in previous posts in this thread

And do you really believe those signings didnt perform well because they were not settled?Maybe they are just not as good as most uf us thought they would be?

 

[DaSpurs]

DLP's do hold their positions though in modern formations, you want them there in the central area to keep the ball ticking over. TBH theres not really a hell of a lot of difference between a CDM and a DLP, ones better at passing, the other tackling, they pretty much occupy the same area. Think Schneiderlin is a case of a player punching above his weight due to the Poch effect (like a few others as well), and I dont think he'd improve us.

True that, they do hold, and you're absolutely right that the difference between the two positions has become rather murky by many current young players.

However, the position Schneiderlin held was considerably deeper than a DLP who gets upfield to integrate with the attackers. His stats also reflect this, as despite his high numbers of forward passing he has very few assists and key passes.

I'm curious though, why don't you rate Schneiderlin? Is it because you view him as the No 8 player sitting next to the CDM? For me, I'd view him as a CDM that would only come in if Sandro were to go.

 

[Lufti]

And do you really believe those signings didnt perform well because they were not settled?Maybe they are just not as good as most uf us thought they would be?

Well considering they were all previously good players, I think the only assumption we can make is that they haven't adapted to their new surroundings and the new type of football very well. Either that, or they've gotten a lot worse in an incredibly short amount of time

 

[Hoddle&Waddle]

True that, they do hold, and you're absolutely right that the difference between the two positions has become rather murky by many current young players.

However, the position Schneiderlin held was considerably deeper than a DLP who gets upfield to integrate with the attackers. His stats also reflect this, as despite his high numbers of forward passing he has very few assists and key passes.

I'm curious though, why don't you rate Schneiderlin? Is it because you view him as the No 8 player sitting next to the CDM? For me, I'd view him as a CDM that would only come in if Sandro were to go.

Glad you ask. Schneiderlin is a decent player dont get me wrong, I just dont see him improving what we have. We're pretty overloaded in CM even with a few sales, so for me I'm hoping for something a bit better if we're going to bring in yet another CM for fairly big money. I view Southampton in the same way I see Atletico Madrid currently, a team with few really good players but a team that are working their nuts of for the Manager. It's amazing how an individual player can look so much better when the whole team are putting in superhuman workrate, I would use David Bentley as an example of this when he was playing for Blackburn prior to us signing him .

 

[Pican]

Well considering they were all previously good players, I think the only assumption we can make is that they haven't adapted to their new surroundings and the new type of football very well. Either that, or they've gotten a lot worse in an incredibly short amount of time

Yes but how good were they really? They were overhyped by our own fans and alot of them came from inferior leagues and none of them were world beaters. Using the excuse of not settling is getting tiresome, some has had injury problems such as Lamela and Capoue the others might not be as good as we thought they were.

 

[Lufti]

Yes but how good were they really? They were overhyped by our own fans and alot of them came from inferior leagues and none of them were world beaters. Using the excuse of not settling is getting tiresome, some has had injury problems such as Lamela and Capoue the others might not be as good as we thought they were.

I'll take your point re Chadli and Chiriches, but Soldado was a prolific scorer in La Liga and in the champions league, as well as being a Spain international. As you say Capoue and Lamela had injury problems, but Paulinho was very highly regarded before his move here.

 

[DaSpurs]

Glad you ask. Schneiderlin is a decent player dont get me wrong, I just dont see him improving what we have. We're pretty overloaded in CM even with a few sales, so for me I'm hoping for something a bit better if we're going to bring in yet another CM for fairly big money. I view Southampton in the same way I see Atletico Madrid currently, a team with few really good players but a team that are working their nuts of for the Manager. It's amazing how an individual player can look so much better when the whole team are putting in superhuman workrate, I would use David Bentley as an example of this when he was playing for Blackburn prior to us signing him .

With what we currently have, I agree I see no point in bringing him in. I only advocate it if Napoli do sack up and meet a deal with Levy for Sandro. However, judging from his performances for Saints and his performance for France, and the fact he can remain healthy, I do think were Schneiderlin to come in he could be a starting CDM. He'd also allow for a smoother transition to Poch's system with our young players, so I think that has to be considered as an advantage.

 

[Pican]

I'll take your point re Chadli and Chiriches, but Soldado was a prolific scorer in La Liga and in the champions league, as well as being a Spain international. As you say Capoue and Lamela had injury problems, but Paulinho was very highly regarded before his move here.

Soldado is a poacher and seems to be to weak to play as a lone striker in the EPL, in Valencia he was great but its a different league and a different system. As for Paulinho he got way too much hype from Confed Cup, he's a good player but what we've seen from him this season is probably all were gonna get, his main quality is getting into the box but his workrate is awful, he looks exactly the same for Brazil as he looks for Spurs so I doubt its a case of settling.

 

[Lufti]

Soldado is a poacher and seems to be to weak to play as a lone striker in the EPL, in Valencia he was great but its a different league and a different system. As for Paulinho he got way too much hype from Confed Cup, he's a good player but what we've seen from him this season is probably all were gonna get, his main quality is getting into the box but his workrate is awful, he looks exactly the same for Brazil as he looks for Spurs so I doubt its a case of settling.

So just to clarify, is that not then needing to adjust and settle? Also, I agree with you re Paulinho (in that he looks poor now), but I work in a Brazilian company and they don't understand what's happened to him. They said before he made the move he was one of the top players and really highly regarded in Brazil

 

[Pican]

So just to clarify, is that not then needing to adjust and settle? Also, I agree with you re Paulinho (in that he looks poor now), but I work in a Brazilian company and they don't understand what's happened to him. They said before he made the move he was one of the top players and really highly regarded in Brazil

If he had been here for 2 months sure, but its been a year. As for Paulinho hopefully its a case of really bad form, but theres been alot of players highly regarded in Brazil who didnt perform as good in the big leagues.

 

[Lufti]

If he had been here for 2 months sure, but its been a year. As for Paulinho hopefully its a case of really bad form, but theres been alot of players highly regarded in Brazil who didnt perform as good in the big leagues.

So you just genuinely don't think he's good then and that the previous 8 or 9 years in his career were a fluke or what? Let's see what happens this season with a new system, if he's still here. As for highly rated Brazilian players who didn't make it abroad, are there that many? Not having a go but off the top of my head I'm struggling to think of any

 

[Pican]

So you just genuinely don't think he's good then and that the previous 8 or 9 years in his career were a fluke or what? Let's see what happens this season with a new system, if he's still here. As for highly rated Brazilian players who didn't make it abroad, are there that many? Not having a go but off the top of my head I'm struggling to think of any

Im not saying he's awful, but he's not as good as people thought he was. I'd love it if he proved me wrong.
As for highly rated Brazilians who didnt make it in the big leagues, Kleberson,Jo.Andre Santos is off the top of my head. When I think about it its probably not as many as I thought, but yeah I guess u get the point.

This isnt going anywhere and we're far off topic, I respect ur opinion and nothing would make me happier if you were right, but im just trying to be realistic and the last season really got my hopes low so lets just wish for the best.

 

[Sweech]

I wish the report was from a more reliable source because I think this would be a fantastic player to acquire.

As for the Schneiderlin discussion, I think Capoue can be just as good, if not better than Schneiderlin (who I still believe to be a good player himself).

Soldado is a poacher and seems to be to weak to play as a lone striker in the EPL, in Valencia he was great but its a different league and a different system. As for Paulinho he got way too much hype from Confed Cup, he's a good player but what we've seen from him this season is probably all were gonna get, his main quality is getting into the box but his workrate is awful, he looks exactly the same for Brazil as he looks for Spurs so I doubt its a case of settling.

I still think Soldado could play in a False 9 role because he has shown a fantastic work rate and a pretty decent eye for the pass. Whether Poch would utilize a false 9 is unknown though as he seemed to favour more of a target man leading the line when he was with Southampton.