money back and who i blame

[shelfsider]

i have a restaurant/bar and if someone has a bad time/ poor food etc they get their money back.

Dear ENIC/ sghareholders i want my f****** money back. You are not giving me what i paid for. so sort it out. Get someone in to run the club as it should be and give me what i pay for, which is a great time.

The fault must be with the board, i feel they got more turned on about getting as much money for Berbs then anything else and now everyone else is paying for. i cannot lay the blame with Ramos, i am sure he knew who and what he wanted, neither can i blame comolli again how can you go out and try to buy someone then when you go to the Chairman all you are told is "get it for less". In hindsight we should have sold berbs as soon as man u came in for him at £23m or what ever thier first offer was and went out and got a strker in before the session started rather then do what we did. Where or where is their businessknow-how? There are many of you that are members here that run businesses and none of you would do what our board have done. it would be like me getting rid of two of my chefs and just putting another couple in without no chance of them noing the menu or anything. Christ even Gordan Ramsey would struggle.

Which is why we should lay of the manager and players. Say your a carpenter and your boss takes away all your saws and then gives you a hack saw , sure you can cut wood but not great. this must be how ramos feels and no-one can do anything about it, until maybe january when we can go buy, but by then it could be too late and people who we want will not come because we will be out of europe, in no cups and looking forward to relegation and for what so we could get an extra £8 million out of united.

I really have a bad feeling about all of this, yes we can give the team time to get used to each other etc, but at the moment we are not even seeing much magic here and there, forget the fact that they have not played together much.

Let's lay of the teamand the manager and tell who-ever owns the club to get in a chairman that knows what he IS doing. Let's see a mission statement saying what we stand for. Even at McDonalds you get what you pay for. I gettting charged like Gordan Ramsey is cooking my meal when in fact it's some spotty kid with a micro wave. If our policy is just to make money for shareholders the get the head of PR Ms Donna Cullen to come out and tell us and lets not keep leaking to the press that we want to break into the top 4, or was it top four and not champions league but championship.

 

[milkman]

I can imagine people chucking their season tickets at Ramos or on the pitch soon!

 

[llamafarmer]

Shelfsider, you really are quite the wordsmith!

 

[robofan]

speaking purely as a shareholder, i dont owe anyone anything, i paid my money i took my choice. it was my dcision to buy shares, if i get a good dividend then well done me. the same as fans who pay to get in, it their choice

if like a restaurant you receive bad food/service etc, you make your choice, if you dont like it dont go back.

 

[rez9000]

Patience is running out. And so are the excuses. There is no denying that we have a wealth of talent at the club. Our Head Coach has a reputation as a tactical mastermind (whether or not it's true is a different debate). Our Assistant is one of the most respected coaches in the game. Our squad is chocked full of talent, inexperienced though it may be. And yet, we lie bottom of the table with 2 measly points from 5 games.

The problem we have is that we can't unequivocally state why we haven't performed this season. If we could work that out, then at least we could point the finger and say 'it's his/their fault'.

However, I feel the upper management have to bear some of the blame, and I feel the thing that is holding us back is the way in which we conduct our transfers. The four-man transfer comittee consists of Daniel Levy, Damien Comolli, Paul Alexander (I believe) and Juande Ramos. A couple of criticisms:

Why are Daniel Levy and Paul Alexander on the commitee? What qualifies Daniel Levy to sit on the commitee? Because he holds the purse strings? That means nothing. He can approve or reject transfers once they have been decided on by the people best desposed to identify players ie the DOF and the coaching staff. Or is it that he is on the commitee to make sure that no player is purchased who doesn't fit in with the posited resale value theory?

Why aren't Gus and Alvarez on the commitee? They work with the players on a daily basis and are in a far better position to identify their strengths and weaknesses. OK, it could be argued that Ramos represents them on it.

There is the much trumpeted fact that Ramos gets final approval on purchases. However, what isn't said is that that's just a lame duck position. Saying 'yay' or 'nay' doesn't mean he has control. All he gets to choose if whether he gets new players or doesn't.

As I've said before, keeping the bottom line in view is a good thing, as the last thing we want is to go the way of Leeds, but we have got to start bringing in some seasoned veterans; some players who may not be worth anything a few years down the line, but who can pack a punch now.

 

[SpurSince57]

At least someone isn't blaming Damo…

 

[spursgirls]

I think we have to look upon the entertainment at Spurs in the same way as you would if you bought a cinema ticket or a new CD and it turned out to be rubbish. You wouldn't ask for your money back would you? I realise a ticket at WHL is a lot more expensive than either of these, but it's something you can't guarantee will be good entertainment or value for money, annoying as it may be. At the end of the day, we make the choice of whether or not to buy a ticket in the same way.

 

[General Levy]

Spending £16million on Bentley was a master stroke...

 

[defoe18]

You think we're bad, you should of had a share in Enron

 

[senseispab]

Spending £16million on Bentley was a master stroke...

No mate, it was the 16 mil on Bent that was the master stroke....

 

[southlondonyiddo]

No mate, it was the 16 mil on Bent that was the master stroke....

Nah it was the 48 mil for Carrick & Berbs that's moved the club onto another level....

 

[SpurSince57]

I just love the way some SC members feel they could have managed things so much better.

 

[Banjo]

I just love the way some SC members feel they could have managed things so much better.

SS 57, surely that is a fans perogative? Most sport would be crap unless you can be a Monday Morning Coach!

Doesn't alter the fact we were fifth two years running and close to CL football. We sacked that coach, dismantled that team, including a first rate strike force, and are now propping up the table after a series of lacklustre performances.

I'm not claiming I could do better (though I'm shit hot at LMA manager- with cheat codes!)

But then I've not been paid just shy of £1,000,000 a year for the last seven and a half years!

Can I ask you, where does the buck stop?:shrug:

 

[General Levy]

No mate, it was the 16 mil on Bent that was the master stroke....

£32million on two decent English players'

 

[General Levy]

Nah it was the 48 mil for Carrick & Berbs that's moved the club onto another level....

very true

 

[leetotty]

There really is such a narrow line between success and failure, and IMHO Liverpool are not playing any worse or better than us but they have managed to scrape a few results together.

I think the villa performance was bad and midd we probably deserved to lose, but apart from that the opposition did not play better than us and deserve to beat us. we could have had a penalty against Wigan for the foul? on lennon, maybe if that was Liverpool playing in front of the Kop at home to Wigan they would have got that penalty. Sunderland mugged us really, we didn't pulverise them, but we weren't that bad that we deserved to lose. So things could have been very different.

You need luck, Liverpool get plenty of luck and 50/50 decisions in their favour, we just need that too.

Sometimes it is human nature to want to blame someone or something and yes IMO I think mistakes have been made in the transfer market, but speak to any other fan of any other club and I can guaranatee they have the same gripe too.

I think and have thought the same ever since I have suported tottenham. The fans/club/board/management/players the whole ethos of the club has never been geared strongly enough to winning, never have I seen a team with a killer instinct, a real will to win, a real desire to make sure they win. You don't see the desire of the players or anyone connected to the club to be about wholly winning. That is the problem. We are a fashionable club that is too caught up in fashionable names/style and other things other than winning.

 

[Dr Know]

dismantled that team, including a first rate strike force, and are now propping up the table after a series of lacklustre performances.

I really don't think you could blame anyone at the club for that it was written in the stars, I guess the saga that went on caused alot more damage and in hindsight not wotrth the £6m more we got for Berba

 

[DC_Boy]

well here we go again

berbs wanted to leave and did everything posssible to make sure he did

we simply couldn't keep him - so why people keep going on about berbs leaving I don't know - well I've got a good idea actually - but I'm not impressed if it's tru, if it's simply a case of loving a good moan, not understanding the situation etc

carrick is cloudy waters - the official line is he wanted to leave - people on here may or not may not better informed than those at the club- but I doubt it very much in the vast majority of cases

jol needed to go in the view of the board - in my view and in the view of many, many other spurs fans

the amount of stick jol took on here and every other spurs forum

now he was Svegali wating to produce a magic trick to astonish us all - I don't think so

we've had 3 good seasons in a row - people were absolutely clamouring to get season tickets - 98% renewal this season - a phenomenal uptake

and I dare say say the season ticket queue is now genuinely longer than ever - given a lot of people are actually paying to be on the waiting list via bronze membership

of course people can moan if they want to - but a lot of the moans completely miss the mark

for years most spurs fans seem to have been against a billionaire benefactor - 'we don't want to buy success CFC style' went the moral cry

well the majority got their wish - we've got the Levy model and under that model the last 3 seasons where we've been the fifth best club overall in terms of success and playing good football (you could argue we've played better fooball than some of the big 4) - that's as good as we'll get under the Levy model

maybe a few more fans will wake up and smell the money and start backing a billionaire benefactor take over - but it's taken a lot of them long enough

be careful what you wish for - cos the majority got it in Levy and it's unlikely, bar a billionaire benefactor, any other model would have done better

to me Levy's done ok overall , no more no less, it's roughly what I expect from the ENIC apprach

we've been one of the top 10 clubs in the country since he took over

meaning we've done better than some 90% of pro clubs over that time and 95+% better inf you include the many decent semi-pro clubs in the country

 

[west indie]

what the squad currently lacks bar woodgate is senior pro's with a wealth of experience and leadership qualities that the youngsters can learn off & look up to while also taking the pressure off the new foriegn signings while they adapt to the new enviroment..

only woodgate out of the current mob has the ability to put in consistant back to back performances while playing in a different back 4 every game and he's only been with us since the end of jan? that speaks volumes...

all successful teams have a strong spine and ours is plain and simply not good enough now keane & berba are'nt there to carry them while making modric, bentley & dos santos look average.

hopefully in our current plight their is'nt any compliants from the board who did all the conducting..

 

[mil1lion]

I wonder if you will tip them if we perform better than expected? :shrug: