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[Mr Pink]

Davis took the wide role with Ward-Prowse both are important as they provide the ammo - Ward-Prowse with his brilliant crossing and Davis can pick a pass like very few I saw last season...great distributor

Davis surely didn't take a wide role?

You're really confusing me lol...

 

[mpickard2087]

Eriksen could be a weak link - he needs to up his tackling...its really poor....in Poch's system everyone presses...no slackers...especially high up in the oppositions defensive third

I think the same was said of Lallana, so hopefully Poch can have the same effect on Eriksen. He is a good interceptor from the few times he played in central midfield. Pressing is as much about positioning and cutting off passing options, he can do that, just needs to work on getting closer to his man. Maybe get fitter... But the whole squad could do with that.

 

[mpickard2087]

I thought Davis was the central presser in Poch's system?

Davis and Ward-Prowse played a very tucked in role from the right hand side. It was a very lopsided formation.

 

[Mr Pink]

Davis and Ward-Prowse played a very tucked in role from the right hand side. It was a very lopsided formation.

I thought it was Lallana who tucked in a lot of the time...although I know he drifted wherever he was playing...

 

[Saul]

Nothing wrong with the system but Saintsvfaded in a number of games, because the mids havecto work so hard. You need a big squad.

 

[Flashspur]

Davis surely didn't take a wide role?

You're really confusing me lol...

Poch does not always use an orthodox winger...he uses players in 'wide' roles in his formation. Rodriguez for example is not a winger but often played on the wing but more as a wide forward then a winger. A little bit like Lamela at Roma although Roma's system was quite different to Poch. You need to look at Poch a little differently to other coaches. He fits players into his system, not the other way around. You also need to understand Bielsa's philosophy. The system comes first then you find the player to fit into the system. More often then not you will find players in roles with Poch that are not traditional. Expect to see some of our players in roles that you didn't think they could play.

 

[mpickard2087]

@Mr Pink This is what I drew up the other day when having this discussion:

For me they played a very tucked in role, sometimes making a three in the centre but could also push up on the right and help with the pressing. Lallana moved laterally across the pitch so could often then be found to be playing outside Davis or Ward-Prowse but for me he was a No.10 who just had a lot of freedom. I also think Ward-Prowse sat a bit wider when he played there, to make use of his crossing ability, he was definitely stationed on the right. Some games Davis was also employed as one of the two CM's iirc.

 

[Mr Pink]

Poch does not always use an orthodox winger...he uses players in 'wide' roles in his formation. Rodriguez for example is not a winger but often played on the wing but more as a wide forward then a winger. A little bit like Lamela at Roma although Roma's system was quite different to Poch. You need to look at Poch a little differently to other coaches. He fits players into his system, not the other way around. You also need to understand Bielsa's philosophy. The system comes first then you find the player to fit into the system. More often then not you will find players in roles with Poch that are not traditional. Expect to see some of our players in roles that you didn't think they could play.

Yeah I understand that and was aware of Bielsa's philosophy. I don't agree with your assessment on Paulinho doing the Lallana role though...

 

[gazzeh]

I think the same was said of Lallana, so hopefully Poch can have the same effect on Eriksen. He is a good interceptor from the few times he played in central midfield. Pressing is as much about positioning and cutting off passing options, he can do that, just needs to work on getting closer to his man. Maybe get fitter... But the whole squad could do with that.

Eriksen massively sured up his work rate and tackling towards the end of the season.

 

[Mr Pink]

@Mr Pink This is what I drew up the other day when having this discussion:

For me they played a very tucked in role, sometimes making a three in the centre but could also push up on the right and help with the pressing. Lallana moved laterally across the pitch so could often then be found to be playing outside Davis or Ward-Prowse but for me he was a No.10 who just had a lot of freedom. I also think Ward-Prowse sat a bit wider when he played there, to make use of his crossing ability, he was definitely stationed on the right. Some games Davis was also employed as one of the two CM's iirc.

Yes its that lateral movement that probably makes it a little confusing looking...thanks for putting that up though.

 

[Flashspur]

Yeah I understand that and was aware of Bielsa's philosophy. I don't agree with your assessment on Paulinho doing the Lallana role though...

I think Paulinho is a very capable player but his confidence is shot right now.

The thing I didn't mention was the FB's. Poch relies heavily on his FB's and if there is a 'traditional' winger in Poch's system it is probably his FB's. When they roam up the flanks, the wide player will tuck in or drop behind to support them.

That is why I struggle with Ben Davies. He is the unlikeliest FB for a Poch set up. Ben is probably the most risk averse FB in the PL. I mean this guy gets vertigo if he crosses the half way line.

Poch's FB's are very much attackers and they have the license to go forward as the Pivot then drops back to make up a three man central defence with the CB's. He must see something in Davies but I am scratching my head.

 

[Mr Pink]

I think Paulinho is a very capable player but his confidence is shot right now.

The thing I didn't mention was the FB's. Poch relies heavily on his FB's and if there is a 'traditional' winger in Poch's system it is probably his FB's. When they roam up the flanks, the wide player will tuck in or drop behind to support them.

That is why I struggle with Ben Davies. He is the unlikeliest FB for a Poch set up. Ben is probably the most risk averse FB in the PL. I mean this guy gets vertigo if he crosses the half way line.

Poch's FB's are very much attackers and they have the license to go forward as the Pivot then drops back to make up a three man central defence with the CB's. He must see something in Davies but I am scratching my head.

Yeah agree that his confidence has been affected. He has talent but I think he lacks discipline but we'll see if Poch can get the best out of him because there is no doubt he's capable of scoring heavily.

Regarding Davies, Poch must feel that he can do something positive with him. He's not the quickest and doesn't look to get behind his opposite number so I agree it does feel a bit weird given his preference for attacking full backs.

 

[Grey Fox]

Poch does not always use an orthodox winger...he uses players in 'wide' roles in his formation. Rodriguez for example is not a winger but often played on the wing but more as a wide forward then a winger. A little bit like Lamela at Roma although Roma's system was quite different to Poch. You need to look at Poch a little differently to other coaches. He fits players into his system, not the other way around. You also need to understand Bielsa's philosophy. The system comes first then you find the player to fit into the system. More often then not you will find players in roles with Poch that are not traditional. Expect to see some of our players in roles that you didn't think they could play.

Lennon in goal?

 

[Flashspur]

@Mr Pink This is what I drew up the other day when having this discussion:

For me they played a very tucked in role, sometimes making a three in the centre but could also push up on the right and help with the pressing. Lallana moved laterally across the pitch so could often then be found to be playing outside Davis or Ward-Prowse but for me he was a No.10 who just had a lot of freedom. I also think Ward-Prowse sat a bit wider when he played there, to make use of his crossing ability, he was definitely stationed on the right. Some games Davis was also employed as one of the two CM's iirc.

nice one

 

[Flashspur]

Lennon in goal?

you never know Grey Fox but with your inside info I am sure you'll know before the rest of us

 

[Grey Fox]

I think Paulinho is a very capable player but his confidence is shot right now.
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I don't think its his confidence I think he is knackered, he hasn't had a proper break for nearly three years now. seein how we have loads of midfielders if I was Poch/the club I would give him another couple of weeks off.

 

[mpickard2087]

I have said all along I don't see an obvious position where Paulinho fits in, unless he was to play in an attacking midfield role behind the striker with two playmaker-types either side of him in the 4-2-3-1

 

[Flashspur]

Yeah agree that his confidence has been affected. He has talent but I think he lacks discipline but we'll see if Poch can get the best out of him because there is no doubt he's capable of scoring heavily.

Regarding Davies, Poch must feel that he can do something positive with him. He's not the quickest and doesn't look to get behind his opposite number so I agree it does feel a bit weird given his preference for attacking full backs.

i know this wont be popular but Rose is an ideal Poch FB, so is Fredericks and I think he'll spunk himself over Walker. They are all athletic and powerful in full flight. Hope to see these players moving forward under him. Ben Davies on the other hand...dunno.

 

[sweetness]

i know this wont be popular but Rose is an ideal Poch FB, so is Fredericks and I think he'll spunk himself over Walker. They are all athletic and powerful in full flight. Hope to see these players moving forward under him. Ben Davies on the other hand...dunno.

Davies is adept at high-tempo passing and ball retention, which no doubt Poch likes. Poch prob sees him as a playing-style catalyst really.

 

[SpartanSpur]

Davies is adept at high-tempo passing and ball retention, which no doubt Poch likes. Poch prob sees him as a playing-style catalyst really.

Agreed, he is a quality footballer in that sense, and will have a world more footballing/tactical intelligence that Danny Rose for example. There was a time where Assou-Ekotto was one of our primary playmakers from LB, Davies is certainly capable of having a lot of the ball and using it well.