Morgan Schneiderlin

[ajspurs]

Honestly not bothered if he ends up with les Arse. We need a playmaker, not another sitter, and especially not for what we'd have to pay.

Yea I'm not greatly bothered either. I would like him but he's not a player that you think of and also think that no one else can do the job that he does. To be honest I want him more because Poch wants him badly as opposed to just me really wanting him.

As long as Poch does get players that fully enable to him to have us playing how he wants than at this moment in time I'm not really fussed.

 

[DaSpurs]

Yea I'm not greatly bothered either. I would like him but he's not a player that you think of and also think that no one else can do the job that he does. To be honest I want him more because Poch wants him badly as opposed to just me really wanting him.

As long as Poch does get players that fully enable to him to have us playing how he wants than at this moment in time I'm not really fussed.

That's fair, but I'm hoping that Poch's idea of what we need has changed as he's realized a) how different our squad is, and b) how differently teams defend against us. It only follows then that we should need different kinds of players, so I hope he has readjusted his wishlist.

 

[ajspurs]

That's fair, but I'm hoping that Poch's idea of what we need has changed as he's realized a) how different our squad is, and b) how differently teams defend against us. It only follows then that we should need different kinds of players, so I hope he has readjusted his wishlist.

I think I know what you mean, but would you care to explain? Or rather what do you think Poch should now be looking for as opposed to what he may have wanted previously?

 

[Yid1987]

Personally I think we are still desperate for this type of signing. Mason and Bentaleb have done well but neither are on the level MS is. Morgan controls games and his range of passing and ability to play forward passes is something we desperately need IMO.

As others have said Arsenal is looking a more likely destination for him which is a shame. If indeed this does happen, then Cabaye or a similar type player is needed.

 

[DaSpurs]

I think I know what you mean, but would you care to explain? Or rather what do you think Poch should now be looking for as opposed to what he may have wanted previously?

Frankly, I don't think the double pivot works for us. I thought that quick, forward passing alone would help out significantly, but I don't think it's enough. We need a playmaker from deep to open things up a bit, not two sitters who just contain the field. Teams have found it far too easy to befuddle us by compacting deep, and we need to find a better way to both open them up and get into the attacking positions before those defenses can congeal.

Schneiderlin is clearly a good player, but he'd be very expensive for just an improvement of the same kind of what we already have. I think if we're going to actually spend money soon on midfield, we need something very different if we're to hit more consistency, especially against the stronger sides in this league. I think we also struggle in the Europa because we play these more defensive type midfielders against these teams with less quality, but far quicker midfielders. They counter us so incredibly easily because we're just not quick enough all over the pitch, and especially in the middle to counter those gifted passers.

 

[Yid1987]

Frankly, I don't think the double pivot works for us. I thought that quick, forward passing alone would help out significantly, but I don't think it's enough. We need a playmaker from deep to open things up a bit, not two sitters who just contain the field. Teams have found it far too easy to befuddle us by compacting deep, and we need to find a better way to both open them up and get into the attacking positions before those defenses can congeal.

Schneiderlin is clearly a good player, but he'd be very expensive for just an improvement of the same kind of what we already have. I think if we're going to actually spend money soon on midfield, we need something very different if we're to hit more consistency, especially against the stronger sides in this league. I think we also struggle in the Europa because we play these more defensive type midfielders against these teams with less quality, but far quicker midfielders. They counter us so incredibly easily because we're just not quick enough all over the pitch, and especially in the middle to counter those gifted passers.

I agree with what you say. Having watch Morgan quite considerably he would add a massive amount to us and would be a big upgrade on any of our midfielders. His range of passing is very good, he's tactically aware and he is also very mobile which would reduce the effectiveness of opposition counter attacks - something I too am massively concerned about and even against Burnley we got caught on the ball in midfield, our shape was unbalanced (no cover in MF for man in possession and so protection for CBs for the transition), their first pass was forward & down the sides of our CBs, and had they have had a quick CF would have caused us a lot more problems. Ings' movement was good but he wasn't able to accelerate away from Fazio and Jan to really threaten.

 

[Mr Pink]

Real fecking shame that, and Arsenal FFS.

I'd love us to try for Cabaye now.

 

[Hoddle&Waddle]

Real fecking shame that, and Arsenal FFS.

I'd love us to try for Cabaye now.

Same here, he's a better player.

 

[CornerPinDreamer]

i know they are different types of player, but am astonished that the Paedo turned down Fabregas last year but now wants Schneiderlin

ah well.. lets hope Mitchell has a hidden gem to pull in from some far flung league..

 

[DJS]

I'd be happy with either Morgan or Cabaye and they could partner Nabil and also throw Mason on there as another option.

 

[DJS]

i know they are different types of player, but am astonished that the Paedo turned down Fabregas last year but now wants Schneiderlin

ah well.. lets hope Mitchell has a hidden gem to pull in from some far flung league..

I think Wenger was absolutely barmy to turn down Fabregas, he really does make some stupid decisions sometimes!

Look how well he's doing for Chelsea - there were suggestions at time he said he already had Ozil for that position but he players deeper for Chelsea as one of the engine two, which is where I envisaged him playing for Arsenal. He could have partnered Ramsey who is a far better player than he used to and that cocky prick Wiltshere (when not injured) could have played further upfield competing with Ozil (who is a very hot and cold player anyways).

I know the Arsenal are our direct rivals, but just so daft how they let Chelsea strengthen themselves like that.

If Arsenal had got him back I reckon they'd be challenging for title as they have good forward options now in Giroud and Wellbeck, lots of attacking midfield options and their centre back pairing Mertz-thingy and Kosc-thingy are pretty decent so not sure why people keep saying blah blah they need a new centre back.

They also even bought a decent keeper in summer (another position the papers constantly moan about) so have decent competition in that department.

Their loss really lol.

Anywhoo sorry bout the dirty goner talk. It just fascinates me how teams build up (OCD geek lol).

 

[CornerPinDreamer]

Anywhoo sorry bout the dirty goner talk. It just fascinates me how teams build up (OCD geek lol).

it's ok as long as you use the words 'the ****s' when describing them

 

[worcestersauce]

Schneiderlin said he was all set to come to Spurs but Southampton went back on their word so it's not down to what we offered, perhaps we should have been bastards and forced the issue instead of waiting until after the world cup.
Schneiderlin suits Pochottino's team which is why he was important not because he's the best player around, if he goes elsewhere we'll be ok.

 

[ajspurs]

Frankly, I don't think the double pivot works for us. I thought that quick, forward passing alone would help out significantly, but I don't think it's enough. We need a playmaker from deep to open things up a bit, not two sitters who just contain the field. Teams have found it far too easy to befuddle us by compacting deep, and we need to find a better way to both open them up and get into the attacking positions before those defenses can congeal.

Schneiderlin is clearly a good player, but he'd be very expensive for just an improvement of the same kind of what we already have. I think if we're going to actually spend money soon on midfield, we need something very different if we're to hit more consistency, especially against the stronger sides in this league. I think we also struggle in the Europa because we play these more defensive type midfielders against these teams with less quality, but far quicker midfielders. They counter us so incredibly easily because we're just not quick enough all over the pitch, and especially in the middle to counter those gifted passers.

Yeah I thought this is what you meant, especially as I've been saying the same for a few years now too. The only thing that has made me somewhat subside my thoughts is when I look at how well Southampton do/did with with players like Schneiderlin, Wanyama and Davies(?) in midfield. Even when you look at Chelsea they can get away with Matic and Mikel but they have Fabregas ahead of them and players like Hazard, Willian and Costa to compensate. Saints had not only had players like Lallana and Lambert playing very well but they had Shaw and Clyne/Chambers who were superb at getting forward down the flanks to compensate for a lack of creativity in the middle for them.

It's all about balance in quality, and quite frankly we don't have it Our wide men in Lamela/Eriksen/Chadli plus our full backs in Walker/Dier/Naughton/Rose/Davies also don't compensate enough for having such a bland and uninspiring central midfield.

I would love to have deep playmaker and a player who is renowned for picking out good passes. As we are now our flow of football really suffers, we have a very bland and almost laboured style of play most of time with various sparks of good football filtered in. Even yesterday, after doing fuck all for so long right at the end we put together a good move that saw some play involving Lamela on the right, the ball then went to Paulinho who layed it off first time to Eriksen who shot just wide, and I was sat there thinking where the fuck was that all this half. Plus when we were fully in control, we still looked like doing nothing. We just lack the drive and creativity from the centre of midfield to really push on, open up teams and create good passes.

We just don't take it to the opposition enough. We can pass around them all day but we'd have more success seeing less of the ball and doing more with it when we have it. Like the old days at WHL, you knew the oppositions goal would be getting peppered with shots and the only thing in question was if we would take those chances and convert them into goals. Now it's more about control and few chances, which puts even more pressure on our players to take the chances when they come.

 

[AussieSpurMan]

Honestly.....nothing to see here
Move on please!!
Keep moving!!!
This ship has sailed!

 

[WiganSpur]

With Kane developing so well Cabaye should be the priority,

But to be honest considering we barely spent in the summer we should be looking at him and a striker providing we can get shut of a couple of midfielders and a CB.

 

[thebetamaxboy]

I agree with what you say. Having watch Morgan quite considerably he would add a massive amount to us and would be a big upgrade on any of our midfielders. His range of passing is very good, he's tactically aware and he is also very mobile which would reduce the effectiveness of opposition counter attacks - something I too am massively concerned about and even against Burnley we got caught on the ball in midfield, our shape was unbalanced (no cover in MF for man in possession and so protection for CBs for the transition), their first pass was forward & down the sides of our CBs, and had they have had a quick CF would have caused us a lot more problems. Ings' movement was good but he wasn't able to accelerate away from Fazio and Jan to really threaten.

..everyone wants a playmaker.. And it's true we need one but I don't think they'd come cheaper than MS. I think he'd be cheaper overall and more effective short term whilst we search out an unknown playmaker in the summer to sit next to him next season.

 

[prawnsandwich]

He's worth about £12 mill. Swap for Capoue around £5-£7 mill and it's a deal.
Otherwise try elsewhere.

 

[DaSpurs]

..everyone wants a playmaker.. And it's true we need one but I don't think they'd come cheaper than MS. I think he'd be cheaper overall and more effective short term whilst we search out an unknown playmaker in the summer to sit next to him next season.

You don't think we could find a playmaker for less than 25 mil?

 

[thebetamaxboy]

You don't think we could find a playmaker for less than 25 mil?

... I absolutely do but I feel that will take time to find one suited to the PL and for them to settle, a couple of windows of good scouting at least. if we want a CL quality one now it's 30 million plus. I'd go with MS now to sure up the midfield and then put the scouting network to work to find that hidden gem.