MOTD thread

[Trent Crimm]

But a lot of people also watch and enjoy the show.
Just because you don't doesn't mean that it's shit and should be taken off air.
It's got nothing to do with charging old folk for the licence fee, that's a different discussion and cancelling MOTD won't make the slightest difference to that.

3rd time.

I said change the format, change the presenters. Spend less money. Redirect the saving.

I can’t explain a 4th time

 

['O Zio]

But to compare government policy/language to 1930's Germany is stupid and with a platform like his, a little dangerous too.

Sports presenter mouthing off on Twitter vs actual government policy indiscriminately affecting innocent people's lives. Yeah it's the bloke on Twitter who is dangerous

Fucking hell I despair sometimes .

 

[McFlash]

Dara piling in as well...

 

[DarwinSpur]

When have I ever said he wasn't talking about Nazis? When has anyone said that actually? I'm sure linekar himself would clarify that he was indeed talking about Nazis. I'm really struggling to see what your point is. This isn't some weird conspiracy.

As I genuinely don't know what point youre trying to make, all I can do is try to reiterate what I said originally. He said some of the language used was similar to the language used in 1930s Germany (yes by the Nazis, nobody is trying to "hide" that fact or whatever kind of strange point youre trying to make). My point is that this is not the same as saying the government are Nazis.

To use a shit footballing analogy, watching spurs and saying "Its like watching a fucking pub team this. What a load of shite" isn't the same thing as saying "The entire spurs team are made up of middle aged fat blokes who are still half cut from the night before, and there's a pile of feces in the middle of the field." If you genuinely don't see the difference, then I don't know what to tell you.

As for the bizarre "why didn't he use any other example from history" point you seem to be making. The answer is because he didn't. Are you seriously suggesting that every time someone compare something to something else, they have to list every single available comparison as well? Or maybe, just maybe, he used the example that would resonate with the most people.

YES BECAUSE HE WANTED EVERYONE TO KNOW HE WAS TALKING ABOUT NAZIS BECAUSE HE THINKS THE GOVERNMENT ARE BEING NAZIS AND NAZIS ARE BAD BECAUSE NAZIS.

You wrote this:

'O Zio said:
I think it's important not to distort what he actually said. He hasn't accused the government of being Nazis. He's accused the government of using language that is similar to what was used by the Nazis. Some might say I'm just being pedantic, but there's a massive difference.

You are being pedantic and there is no massive difference. We all know what Lineker meant and why he used that exact analogy when others were available. As you say - Lineker himself wouldn't deny it.

I swear to God, the contortions in this thread.

I literally have no idea why you, @phil and @Thenewcat are running this defence? Why? It's so weird

 

[McFlash]

3rd time.

I said change the format, change the presenters. Spend less money. Redirect the saving.

I can’t explain a 4th time

Could/should they not be doing that everywhere though? Not just MOTD.
Personally, I rather have Mark Chapman presenting it but then, he'd probably get a pay rise and the same complaints would begin again.
Is your main complaint that Lineker gets paid so much? Because it feels like it is.

 

[UncleBuck]

So, just to be clear, you're cool with him showing complete on-air bias in the field that he reports on and turning up to work in underpants.

But a tweet made outside of work on an unrelated topic is unacceptable?

The whole thing is ridiculous and you have to question where the boundaries are in relation to professional conduct in office, Mrs B has sacked staff because of what they have put on social media.
Even if he is a contractor he is still linked to the organisation that he is working for and if they feel he has breached whatever code of conduct they have then as an employer they should have stuck to their original decision, not come out and say “oh sorry we cocked up”.
As an employer if you’ve made a decision stick with it and don’t fold like a deck of cards, having seen the article about lineker’s HMRC battle I do think they’ve been totally played by lineker’s camp and portrayed as the bad guys whereas lineker’s lot can now avoid paying his tax bill and he comes out of this as some moral crusader

 

[Trent Crimm]

Could/should they not be doing that everywhere though? Not just MOTD.
Personally, I rather have Mark Chapman presenting it but then, he'd probably get a pay rise and the same complaints would begin again.
Is your main complaint that Lineker gets paid so much? Because it feels like it is

Could/should they not be doing that everywhere though? Not just MOTD.
Personally, I rather have Mark Chapman presenting it but then, he'd probably get a pay rise and the same complaints would begin again.
Is your main complaint that Lineker gets paid so much? Because it feels like it is.

You’ve just answered all your own questions here. I’ll just say yes to all and duck out of this thread.

 

[philll]

YES BECAUSE HE WANTED EVERYONE TO KNOW HE WAS TALKING ABOUT NAZIS BECAUSE HE THINKS THE GOVERNMENT ARE BEING NAZIS AND NAZIS ARE BAD BECAUSE NAZIS.

You wrote this:

'O Zio said:
I think it's important not to distort what he actually said. He hasn't accused the government of being Nazis. He's accused the government of using language that is similar to what was used by the Nazis. Some might say I'm just being pedantic, but there's a massive difference.

You are being pedantic and there is no massive difference. We all know what Lineker meant and why he used that exact analogy when others were available. As you say - Lineker himself wouldn't deny it.

I swear to God, the contortions in this thread.

I literally have no idea why you, @phil and @Thenewcat are running this defence? Why? It's so weird

At least you finally acknowledged that there's a difference. We're making progress.

The point of highlighting the difference between saying that some of the language the Government used is reminiscent of language used by the Nazis and calling the Government Nazis is that Lineker's not saying that he thinks the Government wants to literally round migrants up and exterminate them. Ffs.

It's an important distinction, no matter how many laughing emojis you throw around and how much you try and diminish it. And like @'O Zio said - If you genuinely don't see the difference, then I don't know what to tell you.

 

['O Zio]

YES BECAUSE HE WANTED EVERYONE TO KNOW HE WAS TALKING ABOUT NAZIS BECAUSE HE THINKS THE GOVERNMENT ARE BEING NAZIS AND NAZIS ARE BAD BECAUSE NAZIS.

You wrote this:

'O Zio said:
I think it's important not to distort what he actually said. He hasn't accused the government of being Nazis. He's accused the government of using language that is similar to what was used by the Nazis. Some might say I'm just being pedantic, but there's a massive difference.

You are being pedantic and there is no massive difference. We all know what Lineker meant and why he used that exact analogy when others were available. As you say - Lineker himself wouldn't deny it.

I swear to God, the contortions in this thread.

I literally have no idea why you, @phil and @Thenewcat are running this defence? Why? It's so weird

Oh hello. Big shouty capital letters and everything. My oh my.

So you've replied to one of my posts and quoted another one and somehow managed to either not read or not understand either of them.

You seem to have it in your head that the fact that he was talking about Nazis is some kind of wink-wink, nudge-nudge secret which I genuinely don't get. Once again, if you genuinely don't know the difference between comparing the traits of someone/a group of people with the traits of someone else/a different group of people and saying someone actually is one of those people, then there's very little point in attempting a discussion with you.

 

[leelee]

Sports presenter mouthing off on Twitter vs actual government policy indiscriminately affecting innocent people's lives. Yeah it's the bloke on Twitter who is dangerous

Fucking hell I despair sometimes .

Chillout mate.

We're talking about Lineker in this thread or was it the government presenting MOTD lol.

We all have issues with government but the discussion I'm having is about Lineker and his choice of words. We have the Politics thread to discuss and accuse government rhetoric and policies

 

[Trent Crimm]

Ffs. Look what Gary has done to SC

 

[McFlash]

You’ve just answered all your own questions here. I’ll just say yes to all and duck out of this thread.

Yeah, there are probably some clouds that need shouting at.

 

[McFlash]

Ffs. Look what Gary has done to SC

Mate, we've always been like this.

 

['O Zio]

Chillout mate.

We're talking about Lineker in this thread or was it the government presenting MOTD lol.

We all have issues with government but the discussion I'm having is about Lineker and his choice of words. We have the Politics thread to discuss and accuse government rhetoric and policies

Jesus fucking Christ now I know some of you are just intentionally trolling. I was literally responding to your post about politics/government policy.

Fuck me I don't know why I even bother engaging with this shit sometimes. More fool me I guess.

 

[DarwinSpur]

At least you finally acknowledged that there's a difference. We're making progress.

The point of highlighting the difference between saying that some of the language the Government use is reminiscent of language used by the Nazis and calling the Government Nazis is that Lineker's not saying that he thinks the Government wants to literally round migrants up and exterminate them. Ffs.

It's an important distinction, no matter how many laughing emojis you throw around and how much you try and diminish it. And like @'O Zio said - If you genuinely don't see the difference, then I don't know what to tell you.

It's a bollocks distinction, Phil and we all know it because if Lineker wanted to be more nuanced he wouldn't have gone with "reminiscent of 1930's Germany".

The laughing emjois are because you're running a laughable thesis. Everyone knows what Lineker meant and why he used the exact words he used.

The real issue is that people like yourself, and @'O Zio and @Thenewcat know it's problematic to casually invoke 1930's Germany because it's pretty goddam offensive to a lot of people who were murdered by the Nazis. You don't want to be problematic but you also think the government are acting like Nazi's and don't want to water down that self-righteousness. Fair enough. Hyperbole has its place. Gets the message across. But you remain uncomfortable...

Which leaves all of you making a completely nonsensical circular argument whereby Lineker isn't calling the Government Nazi's but is also calling them Nazi's but you know there's and important distinction that you plebs don't get but we do ...

There is no distinction. Lineker wrote what he wrote. A lot of us agree with his sentiment. Some of us are uncomfortable with this choice of analogy. Some think it's total bollocks. But please don't insult your intelligence and mine with this "important distinction" bollocks. I'm not litigating Lineker and you're not his lawyer (afaik)

Anyway - he should never have been stood down and the Govt shouldn't be interfering with BBC but that's a proper and more meaningful debate.

 

[Trent Crimm]

Mate, we've always been like this.

More people in here talking about motd than would have watched it

But yes, I’ll go chase clouds.

 

[McFlash]

More people in here talking about motd than would have watched it

But yes, I’ll go chase clouds.

I wouldn't bother trying to chase them, just shouting will suffice.

 

[rossdapep]

Great post. There's a distinct element of classism and elitism in Tory ministers' criticism of Lineker for showing dissent on his personal social media account.

Despite their hollow claims to be on the side of "ordinary working people", the Tories absolutely do not like working class folk getting ideas above their station. Such as disagreeing with the Tories.

Look at how they picked a massive and utterly needless fight with Marcus Rashford over children's fucking meals, for god's sake. One of the worst self-owns in recent political history - setting yourself up against a working class lad who just wanted to ensure kids get food.

Same with nurses, ambulance staff and doctors. It was fine for everyone to bang their pans for them every week in the pandemic. But the Tories showed their true contempt when the same key workers dared ask for pay rises to keep up with inflation.

Similar deal with Lineker. Like with Rashford, they see him as an ex-footballer who should stick to football stuff and leave the politics to those at the top.

......and the majority of them are a bunch of grifters or born into a rich family so they don't appreciate what the majority of the population go through.

 

[Trent Crimm]

I wouldn't bother trying to chase them, just shouting will suffice.

Ah yes. Silly me.

 

[easley91]

I quite liked it. Though annoyingly today was one of those I actually wanted to hear discussions and opinions on certain VAR decisions.