Net Spend?
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I'm not sure since Harry took over but SSN showed our figures over the last 3 years. We were 2nd behind city on around -£65m but we were only about £6m away from Villa in 3rd place. Citeh net spend was something like £180m.
joey55
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Net spend isn't a good way of judging things. Transfer fees are literally compensation for taking a player who was under contract with another club. It sound like a stupidly obvious thing to say, but too often people judge fees purely on the quality of the player, rather than other circumstances that lead to a club demaning high compensation. The actual transfer fee doesn't tell us that much about the real cost of a player, as his potential sell on value (age is key indicator) and salary are more important. If we buy a player for £10 million and sell him for £7 million 4 years laters, our net spend is minus £5 million. So if Liverpool buy a player for £10 million and sell him for £10 million, it seems as if we've spent more. But if they are paying there player £100,000 per week and we are paying ours £50,000 per week, then who has really spent the most?
On top of that players still have a sell on value. Wage budget is equally, if not more important.
I saw Liverpool posters on RAWK defending Rafa by suggesting his net spend isn't that high and comparing his transfer dealings to those of Roy Hodgson. The main deals highlighted were those of Duff and Johnson compared with Rafa buying Maxi and Ryan Babel for less. But this is hugely ignorant, as the selling clubs are aware of the cost of replacement to them and the viable alternatives Fulham. Hence Everton can make Fulham pay £10 million Andy Johnson. It's not as if Hodgosn think Andy Johnson is a better player than Babel or that he wouldn't have wanted Babel. It's not as if they had many other options of players that can fit into their wage structure and are still good enough to take them forward. Were they suppossed to by David Nugent instead?
Duff cost them £3.5 million, but again what choice do they have but to pay Newcaslte's fee? Or they could sign Glenn little instead! When you are shopping at that level, it's much harder to buy players who are going to have an immediate impact on your team and hold their transfer value. So as a way of judging things, net sopend is seriously flawed. We have a high net spend, but our overall outgoings on transfer fees and wages are nowhere near second in the Prem only to Man City. Liverpool, for example, spend £40 million per year more than us on wages. That's £60 million in the 18 months Harry has been here. And that doesn't include depreciation and apreciation of the playing squad. How much of the likes of Dawson, Bale, Modric and Huddlestone gone up in value, compared to Liverpools players? Has any Liverpool player seen his value particuarly rise in the last year?
On top of that players still have a sell on value. Wage budget is equally, if not more important.
I saw Liverpool posters on RAWK defending Rafa by suggesting his net spend isn't that high and comparing his transfer dealings to those of Roy Hodgson. The main deals highlighted were those of Duff and Johnson compared with Rafa buying Maxi and Ryan Babel for less. But this is hugely ignorant, as the selling clubs are aware of the cost of replacement to them and the viable alternatives Fulham. Hence Everton can make Fulham pay £10 million Andy Johnson. It's not as if Hodgosn think Andy Johnson is a better player than Babel or that he wouldn't have wanted Babel. It's not as if they had many other options of players that can fit into their wage structure and are still good enough to take them forward. Were they suppossed to by David Nugent instead?
Duff cost them £3.5 million, but again what choice do they have but to pay Newcaslte's fee? Or they could sign Glenn little instead! When you are shopping at that level, it's much harder to buy players who are going to have an immediate impact on your team and hold their transfer value. So as a way of judging things, net sopend is seriously flawed. We have a high net spend, but our overall outgoings on transfer fees and wages are nowhere near second in the Prem only to Man City. Liverpool, for example, spend £40 million per year more than us on wages. That's £60 million in the 18 months Harry has been here. And that doesn't include depreciation and apreciation of the playing squad. How much of the likes of Dawson, Bale, Modric and Huddlestone gone up in value, compared to Liverpools players? Has any Liverpool player seen his value particuarly rise in the last year?
roosh
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excellent post Joey.
anytime I discuss football with my mates, it always comes down to how much each team has spent. Partly because my best mate is a gooner and he steers the conversation in this direction, thinking that Arsenal are better than others because of how little they spend.
the "statistic" of net spend is perhaps one of the most overused, useless stats in football discussions. Purhcase of players and income received from sales is a financial issue, and so financial standards and principles should be applied, not simple back of the envelope: spent - income = net.
this idea that net spend is a useful statistic bugs the shite out of me, when it gets bandied about. It's a lot more complicated than that, as Joey points out
anytime I discuss football with my mates, it always comes down to how much each team has spent. Partly because my best mate is a gooner and he steers the conversation in this direction, thinking that Arsenal are better than others because of how little they spend.
the "statistic" of net spend is perhaps one of the most overused, useless stats in football discussions. Purhcase of players and income received from sales is a financial issue, and so financial standards and principles should be applied, not simple back of the envelope: spent - income = net.
this idea that net spend is a useful statistic bugs the shite out of me, when it gets bandied about. It's a lot more complicated than that, as Joey points out
including wages our net spend is LOWER than all of the big 4 and city since Harry took over
it might be lower than villa's too - as i think their wages are now higher than ours
our net spend has been lower than all of the big 4 clubs fo the last five years and indeed the last ten years
most/all seasons for the past decade the big 4 wage bills ALONE are all higher than our wage plus net transfer spend
it might be lower than villa's too - as i think their wages are now higher than ours
our net spend has been lower than all of the big 4 clubs fo the last five years and indeed the last ten years
most/all seasons for the past decade the big 4 wage bills ALONE are all higher than our wage plus net transfer spend
whitelightwhiteheat
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http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...ity-wages-bill-to-equal-chelseas-1869416.html
This line from that article "*£125m-plus: Man City's forecast wage bill 2009-10"
£125m wage bill, per year?!
Liverpool's for 2007/08 was £90.
According to an article quoted from The Times we pay out £59m.
http://www.myfootballforum.com/show...er-League-expressed-by-wage-spending?p=435406
This line from that article "*£125m-plus: Man City's forecast wage bill 2009-10"
£125m wage bill, per year?!
Liverpool's for 2007/08 was £90.
According to an article quoted from The Times we pay out £59m.
http://www.myfootballforum.com/show...er-League-expressed-by-wage-spending?p=435406
Wage bills are treated as if they aren't there by people talking about football finance, largely, which is a shame. An agreement to pay John Terry 160k a week for the next four years is a considerable net spend, but would look like less than 8 million and 30k a week for Bassong for four years if you discount the wages and ages.
That said, we do spend shedloads, albeit that Levy is miles better at managing a wage bill than Benitez- it's going to be very interesting if their overall wage bill has to come down. Not convinced that Wenger- who I do think is very good in the transfer market- is getting it entirely right on the wages front, actually.
That said, we do spend shedloads, albeit that Levy is miles better at managing a wage bill than Benitez- it's going to be very interesting if their overall wage bill has to come down. Not convinced that Wenger- who I do think is very good in the transfer market- is getting it entirely right on the wages front, actually.
spursphil
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Thanks lads, some excelent replies i must say. I'm very aware that wages are the biggest expenditure that a club has. I know for a fact that Arsenal's wage bill is £110 million up from £101 million last year, which is double our wage bill.
I have been searching the web but just can't find our transfer ins and outs since Harry has been in charge.
Its just to settle an argument i have been having with a couple of mates who keep banging on about us spending our way into the top four.
For instance Man City have spent £100 million net on transfers coupled with a wage bill this year of 100 million = £200 million.
Our wage bill this year £54 million + net transfer spend?????????
I have been searching the web but just can't find our transfer ins and outs since Harry has been in charge.
Its just to settle an argument i have been having with a couple of mates who keep banging on about us spending our way into the top four.
For instance Man City have spent £100 million net on transfers coupled with a wage bill this year of 100 million = £200 million.
Our wage bill this year £54 million + net transfer spend?????????
rabbikeane
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_______ signed players ___________ sold players ____________ net total
2009/10 £33.000.000 _____________ £31.250.000 ___________ £1.750.000
2008/9 £113.700.000 ____________ £70.050.000 ___________ £43.650.000
2007/8 £60.500.000 _____________ £19.000.000 ___________ £41.500.000
2006/7 £36.999.999 _____________ £24.850.000 ___________ £12.149.999
2005/6 £19.090.000 _____________ £19.800.680 ___________ - £710.680
2004/5 £26.805.000 _____________ £7.750.000 ____________ £19.055.000
2003/4 £20.250.000 _____________ £1.300.000 ____________ £18.950.000
2002/3 £7.800.000 ______________ £950.000 _____________ £6.850.000
2001/2 £15.750.000 _____________ £5.280.000 ____________ £10.470.000
2000/1 £16.250.000 _____________ £7.790.000 ____________ £8.460.000
1999/00 £12.600.000 ____________ £1.400.000 ____________ £11.200.000
2009/10 £33.000.000 _____________ £31.250.000 ___________ £1.750.000
2008/9 £113.700.000 ____________ £70.050.000 ___________ £43.650.000
2007/8 £60.500.000 _____________ £19.000.000 ___________ £41.500.000
2006/7 £36.999.999 _____________ £24.850.000 ___________ £12.149.999
2005/6 £19.090.000 _____________ £19.800.680 ___________ - £710.680
2004/5 £26.805.000 _____________ £7.750.000 ____________ £19.055.000
2003/4 £20.250.000 _____________ £1.300.000 ____________ £18.950.000
2002/3 £7.800.000 ______________ £950.000 _____________ £6.850.000
2001/2 £15.750.000 _____________ £5.280.000 ____________ £10.470.000
2000/1 £16.250.000 _____________ £7.790.000 ____________ £8.460.000
1999/00 £12.600.000 ____________ £1.400.000 ____________ £11.200.000
dontcallme
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Who have we sold this season to generate £30+? I can only think of Zokora who sold for any sort of fee.
spursphil
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While i was searching for stats i came across a report on the state of Aston Villa's finances, it looks like they won't be making a big push next season unless Randy puts his hand in his pocket!
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/375262-randy-lerners-money-talks-at-aston-villa
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/375262-randy-lerners-money-talks-at-aston-villa
berbplzstay
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Thanks rabbikeane great info!
Are player wages available to view? Makes sense if that's a private figure but I'm curious.
Are player wages available to view? Makes sense if that's a private figure but I'm curious.
rabbikeane
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Bent, Zokora, Boateng, Chimbonda, Gunter
This overview is one year old
http://extras.timesonline.co.uk/pdfs/moneygame.pdf
From what I've seen from this year, every club are paying more in total now - but the differences between the clubs have seemed to be the same.
City obviously built themselves a much higher wage bill.
