New Stadium Details And Discussions

[danielneeds]

Let's hope so.

It would be a shame if, with the size and appeal of the new south stand, all the singing fans sat there. I love that WHL had both the Shelf and the Park Lane.

Yeah, hopefully the kop end will be like the conductor - with the rest of the stadium following.

 

[TottenhamMattSpur]

I've sat in the East stand most of this season and, as much as I love going, it's fucking annoying.
I've heard nothing but unsubstantiated moaning, no singing, can you sit daaaaaaan please Etc Etc.

Missed the south stand which makes match days worth going to rather than watching on tv.

Who cares about the view.

 

[L-man]

I've sat in the East stand most of this season and, as much as I love going, it's fucking annoying.
I've heard nothing but unsubstantiated moaning, no singing, can you sit daaaaaaan please Etc Etc.

Missed the south stand which makes match days worth going to rather than watching on tv.

Who cares about the view.

Sat next to a bloke in the East on Sunday.
Didn't sing anything all match, barely cheered when we scored, didn't wave his flag. Just sat there like a miserable bastard all game.

Full time whistle blows and everyone pours onto the pitch and at the top of his lungs bursts into a rendition of "get off the pitch" and of course, leaves as soon as the ceremony ends.

Not sure why these people even bother going

 

[whitesocks]

Sat next to a bloke in the East on Sunday.
Didn't sing anything all match, barely cheered when we scored, didn't wave his flag. Just sat there like a miserable bastard all game.

Full time whistle blows and everyone pours onto the pitch and at the top of his lungs bursts into a rendition of "get off the pitch" and of course, leaves as soon as the ceremony ends.

Not sure why these people even bother going

You sat next to Levy?

 

[Gb160]

Sat next to a bloke in the East on Sunday.
Didn't sing anything all match, barely cheered when we scored, didn't wave his flag. Just sat there like a miserable bastard all game.

Full time whistle blows and everyone pours onto the pitch and at the top of his lungs bursts into a rendition of "get off the pitch" and of course, leaves as soon as the ceremony ends.

Not sure why these people even bother going

Probably Millsey?

 

[TottenhamMattSpur]

Sat next to a bloke in the East on Sunday.
Didn't sing anything all match, barely cheered when we scored, didn't wave his flag. Just sat there like a miserable bastard all game.

Full time whistle blows and everyone pours onto the pitch and at the top of his lungs bursts into a rendition of "get off the pitch" and of course, leaves as soon as the ceremony ends.

Not sure why these people even bother going

I'll excuse the 4ft 9" OAP lady I sat next to at the arsenal match. She could barely see over the seat in front. But this season I've come close to telling some of the miserable bastards to give their season tickets away.
21 wins 2 draws? And they come out with shit like "you're passing it too slowly, come on, get it up there"
It's not the 60 anymore precious. Teams can cope with hoofing it.

 

[danielneeds]

I'll excuse the 4ft 9" OAP lady I sat next to at the arsenal match. She could barely see over the seat in front. But this season I've come close to telling some of the miserable bastards to give their season tickets away.
21 wins 2 draws? And they come out with shit like "you're passing it too slowly, come on, get it up there"
It's not the 60 anymore precious. Teams can cope with hoofing it.

We desperately need to bring down the average age of the crowd in the new stadium. There are too many miserable old gits in the ground, who look down on everybody else and just want to watch the match quietly and moan about Jenas.

Which is fine, they are entitled to do what they want with their money, but with the rising cost and difficulty in getting a season ticket, younger, more boisterous fans have been kept out.

Hopefully the new wave of season tickets at Wembley and NWL will help to remedy this.

 

[Saoirse]

We desperately need to bring down the average age of the crowd in the new stadium. There are too many miserable old gits in the ground, who look down on everybody else and just want to watch the match quietly and moan about Jenas.

Which is fine, they are entitled to do what they want with their money, but with the rising cost and difficulty in getting a season ticket, younger, more boisterous fans have been kept out.

Hopefully the new wave of season tickets at Wembley and NWL will help to remedy this.

In my mind it's probably too late. Young fans have been abandoned for a good 20 years now since the Premier League TV bubble really started growing - no terracing, no booze, too expensive to afford and really hard to get seats even when you occasionally can. A few of us were lucky enough to be bought into it by our fathers, but there's huge numbers of younger guys who simply aren't interested now no matter how easy to get or cheap the seats get. They've grown up without it and got other interests - it's precisely this which has fuelled the growth in e-sports which is a million times more accessible.

I honestly believe that once the generation who were going in the 70/80s (who are, say, between 45 and 75 in most cases now) stop going there's going to be a big crash in both attendances and TV revenues and everyone will have to try and re-build. If we can get ahead of the curve now (radically reduce prices, guarentee a certain number of the new seats to young people, pressure the Premier League to put some matches on free-to-air TV) it'll help, but it's never going to bring things back to how they were when football was truly a national sport no matter your age or class.

 

[dagraham]

We desperately need to bring down the average age of the crowd in the new stadium. There are too many miserable old gits in the ground, who look down on everybody else and just want to watch the match quietly and moan about Jenas.

Which is fine, they are entitled to do what they want with their money, but with the rising cost and difficulty in getting a season ticket, younger, more boisterous fans have been kept out.

Hopefully the new wave of season tickets at Wembley and NWL will help to remedy this.

I probably fit in-between the boisterous crowd and miserable old gits. The days of me starting chants on my own or standing all game are over, but I certainly don't sit on my hands moaning at every missed placed pass.

There has to be a balance though. People are entitled to criticize or scrutinize what is happening on the pitch without being called out by other supporters, but I agree there are certain ST holders who I look at and wonder why they even turn up, as no matter how we are doing they still seem to have time to moan about or abuse their chosen scapegoats.

Not many moaners about this season for obvious reasons, but I can see them coming out in force if Wembley doesn't go as well as planned. We need a good start there imo.

As for the new stadium, I think to a certain extent most people will be happy as the huge South Stand should go some way to seeing the most boisterous support where they want to be without the "moaners". As I still intend to sit in the East Stand Lower though, my only fear is that this area will become overrun with corporates and tourists.

 

[danielneeds]

In my mind it's probably too late. Young fans have been abandoned for a good 20 years now since the Premier League TV bubble really started growing - no terracing, no booze, too expensive to afford and really hard to get seats even when you occasionally can. A few of us were lucky enough to be bought into it by our fathers, but there's huge numbers of younger guys who simply aren't interested now no matter how easy to get or cheap the seats get. They've grown up without it and got other interests - it's precisely this which has fuelled the growth in e-sports which is a million times more accessible.

I honestly believe that once the generation who were going in the 70/80s (who are, say, between 45 and 75 in most cases now) stop going there's going to be a big crash in both attendances and TV revenues and everyone will have to try and re-build. If we can get ahead of the curve now (radically reduce prices, guarentee a certain number of the new seats to young people, pressure the Premier League to put some matches on free-to-air TV) it'll help, but it's never going to bring things back to how they were when football was truly a national sport no matter your age or class.

No it can never be like it was, that is true. But there can be a new pollination of fans that come become a core in the new stadium. That the tourists and and others in the stadium can follow.

I'm sure Levy and the board have thought through this. They seem to be aware of the potential of getting the atmosphere in the new place right, and the marketing and economic benefits of being the ground in London you go to if you want atmosphere and electricity - as opposed to the Emirates and London Stadium.

 

[arunspurs]

@LeeRowswell
Miserable day today and that's not just the weather.

 

[yiddopaul]

@LeeRowswell
Miserable day today and that's not just the weather.

In the words of Del Boy: Oi! gently.

 

[DanielCHillier]

Wish they'd have a camera showing the inside of the old stadium on the live feed, that's where all of the action is going to be for the next few months. Although the camera from the new east stand is currently down so hopefully they're re-directing it.

 

[shelfmonkey]

 

[whitesocks]

Here's a stupid question:
Will there be staircases other than those in the cores?
Presumably key staircases have to be boxed in these days to give safe routes out in case of fire, but is it essential all routes out are protected? Or are the core stair wells just for the prawn munchers use and they'll be the usual scaffold type staircases for the great unwashed.

It's just the New Park Lane end only has 2 cores either side which seem a bit of a bottle neck for such a large number of people.
Populous wrote only yesterday that a 60k stadium would normally have 8 cores, not 6, but did not explain why this would not have an impact. http://populous.com/posts/home-sweet-home-tottenham-hotspurs-last-match-white-hart-lane/

 

[gregga]

Here's a stupid question:
Will there be staircases other than those in the cores?
Presumably key staircases have to be boxed in these days to give safe routes out in case of fire, but is it essential all routes out are protected? Or are the core stair wells just for the prawn munchers use and they'll be the usual scaffold type staircases for the great unwashed.

It's just the New Park Lane end only has 2 cores either side which seem a bit of a bottle neck for such a large number of people.
Populous wrote only yesterday that a 60k stadium would normally have 8 cores, not 6, but did not explain why this would not have an impact. http://populous.com/posts/home-sweet-home-tottenham-hotspurs-last-match-white-hart-lane/

The south stand has plenty of stairwells. The cores will be mainly for lifts/services I imagine:

 

[Phischy]

Here's a stupid question:
Will there be staircases other than those in the cores?
Presumably key staircases have to be boxed in these days to give safe routes out in case of fire, but is it essential all routes out are protected? Or are the core stair wells just for the prawn munchers use and they'll be the usual scaffold type staircases for the great unwashed.

It's just the New Park Lane end only has 2 cores either side which seem a bit of a bottle neck for such a large number of people.
Populous wrote only yesterday that a 60k stadium would normally have 8 cores, not 6, but did not explain why this would not have an impact. http://populous.com/posts/home-sweet-home-tottenham-hotspurs-last-match-white-hart-lane/

The south stand has plenty of stairwells. The cores will be mainly for lifts/services I imagine:

I'd suggest, Whitesocks, that this post following yours is the answer. A new stadium would normally have 4 stands with tiers and the need for each to have 2 cores. We have 3 multi tiered stands and 1 single tier stand. As shown in the picture, the access arrangements for this stand are different and unlike the others, doesn't rely on the cores as sort of 'anchor points' for each stand's structure as it is effectively a free-standing (if connected superficially) structure. As you can see it has a secondary mezzanine style concourse and many staircases. It might take a different amount of time to get in or out of, but in many ways, there are always compromises (and benefits) when using different approaches.

 

[longtimespur]

https://twitter.com/SpursOfficial/status/865137397364740100

Drone footage over nwhl.

 

[Flashspur]

In my mind it's probably too late. Young fans have been abandoned for a good 20 years now since the Premier League TV bubble really started growing - no terracing, no booze, too expensive to afford and really hard to get seats even when you occasionally can. A few of us were lucky enough to be bought into it by our fathers, but there's huge numbers of younger guys who simply aren't interested now no matter how easy to get or cheap the seats get. They've grown up without it and got other interests - it's precisely this which has fuelled the growth in e-sports which is a million times more accessible.

I honestly believe that once the generation who were going in the 70/80s (who are, say, between 45 and 75 in most cases now) stop going there's going to be a big crash in both attendances and TV revenues and everyone will have to try and re-build. If we can get ahead of the curve now (radically reduce prices, guarentee a certain number of the new seats to young people, pressure the Premier League to put some matches on free-to-air TV) it'll help, but it's never going to bring things back to how they were when football was truly a national sport no matter your age or class.

That's hardly likely to happen...the EPL is now global. There are millions of fans out there. You may not get them all into the stadium for a game but TV revenue is going to grow and grow!

 

[gilzeantheking]

A bit about the construction going forward from Populous

http://populous.com/posts/home-swee...rs-last-match-white-hart-lane/#comment-317717