New Stadium Details And Discussions

[spursfan77]

The Guardian writing some utter bollocks today. Got nothing to do with us, it’s the contractors responsibility to pay people. The lefty fucks can’t resist a dig at us.

 

[tommyt]

Meet this guy briefly today who was from Corg / Korg (no idea who / what they are) and he was the guy in charge of the electrical systems safety inspection and would be the person who eventually would have to sign off on the stadium for it to open.

So having seen the news today I was excited and brought up the test events - he said he expected them both (?) to be cancelled and had no idea why the club had announced them as it was not even close to being ready. I said that sounds very unlikely given the bad PR it would cause. He shrugged. I asked how far away he thought the electrics were from being sorted - he said 'with a fair wind in time for the beginning of next season, but most likely September / October'.

As you'll pick up on, he seemed like a right miserable fuck - but unfortunately I've had it confirmed by a couple of people since that he is definitely the person in charge and he has the final sign off on the safety certificate. Hopefully he was bullshitting, but not encouraging.

Cool story bro...

 

[Bensonrecon]

Fan familiarisation day, You'll never sing that!

 

[Cornpattbuck]

The Guardian writing some utter bollocks today. Got nothing to do with us, it’s the contractors responsibility to pay people. The lefty fucks can’t resist a dig at us.

They've been at it all year, generally nit picking over minor details like this one (they appear to want Spurs to pay up twice because other companies are having issues) which is a bit bizarre...

Even more bizarre, however, is their constant championing of Man City, a club you would have expected The Guardian to think of as the devil. Anyone would think they're desperate for money...

 

[SirHarryHotspur]

That is bollocks. The financial cost would have been £5m a year and about £20m to take it down. We could have made money from concerts, cricket, baseball etc...

We've now spent £300m on a new roof and loses are £20m a year.

Only stating what was being said back in 2010 http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/olympic_games/8574931.stm , that a 25000 seat stadium was unsustainable, cricket baseball and concerts are all March to Sept. events what do you do with it in the winter.


PS. All the predictions in the article with hindsight are way out , not only would the 25000 seater been a loss maker but now the London Stadium is even more so. Mr Sullivan promises to chip in with the conversion , how much did WHU contribute??

 

[whitesocks]

Meet this guy briefly today who was from Corg / Korg (no idea who / what they are) and he was the guy in charge of the electrical systems safety inspection and would be the person who eventually would have to sign off on the stadium for it to open.

So having seen the news today I was excited and brought up the test events - he said he expected them both (?) to be cancelled and had no idea why the club had announced them as it was not even close to being ready. I said that sounds very unlikely given the bad PR it would cause. He shrugged. I asked how far away he thought the electrics were from being sorted - he said 'with a fair wind in time for the beginning of next season, but most likely September / October'.

As you'll pick up on, he seemed like a right miserable fuck - but unfortunately I've had it confirmed by a couple of people since that he is definitely the person in charge and he has the final sign off on the safety certificate. Hopefully he was bullshitting, but not encouraging.

He must be referring to full test events that he has privately been early booked to attend in January.

 

[14/04/91]

Meet this guy briefly today who was from Corg / Korg (no idea who / what they are) and he was the guy in charge of the electrical systems safety inspection and would be the person who eventually would have to sign off on the stadium for it to open.

So having seen the news today I was excited and brought up the test events - he said he expected them both (?) to be cancelled and had no idea why the club had announced them as it was not even close to being ready. I said that sounds very unlikely given the bad PR it would cause. He shrugged. I asked how far away he thought the electrics were from being sorted - he said 'with a fair wind in time for the beginning of next season, but most likely September / October'.

As you'll pick up on, he seemed like a right miserable fuck - but unfortunately I've had it confirmed by a couple of people since that he is definitely the person in charge and he has the final sign off on the safety certificate. Hopefully he was bullshitting, but not encouraging.

I think “sign-off” will be granted by the local authority, not a guy working for an electrical contractor. Assuming that’s what corg/korg are, google doesn’t back that up.
Basically, I’d call bs

 

[Lilbaz]

Only stating what was being said back in 2010 http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/olympic_games/8574931.stm , that a 25000 seat stadium was unsustainable, cricket baseball and concerts are all March to Sept. events what do you do with it in the winter.

Yes it may have lost money but a lot less than it currently does, tax payers also wouldn't have had to have paid hundreds of millions to convert it for football. The original plan was miles better than what we ended up with. Seriously the people who agreed it should be stripped of their peerages at the least for incompetence or arrested for corruption.

Also what you quoted was what was said by west hams owner when they were trying to get the stadium.

 

[davidmatzdorf]

We tried that option but failed to get the Olympic Stadium. How lucky we are that it didn't come off.

I still don't think we ever had any intention of going there, I reckon Levy just wanted to make Haringey Council shit themselves at the thought of Tottenham without us and used it as a bargaining chip.

We were 100% going there if we won it. I am sorry, I sat in front of Daniel Levy, the single purpose of that meeting from Daniel and Donna's point of view was to convince us to shut up. He could have told me (and Darren Alexander) that it wasn't likely we'd move and it was just an option, we'd have backed off. He didn't. He told us in no uncertain terms it was the club's ONLY viable option and it was Stratford or no new stadium anywhere. We didn't believe him and events since can be interpreted however you might want, but I can promise you, we looked into the whites of his eyes and he was dead set on it.

I posted the financial/development background to this at some length very recently.

None of these posts is quite accurate. We were 100% in for the OS, but not because we wanted to be. Levy and co. went for it because the financial crash made the project to replace WHL non-viable, in the sense that it was impossible to fund it.

The alternative was the OS and there had to be an alternative, because ENIC's entire business model is to add value to acquisitions, which mandated a new stadium. It's not so to suggest that the bid was a ploy. It was a desperate measure and an end in itself. But after the riots and the political moves to plough regeneration capital into Tottenham, it didn't take long for the club to revert to what it really wanted all the time, which is a stadium in N17, supported by a regeneration project.

The financial panic eased, the affordable housing and other expensive S.106 obligations were removed and the result was that the stadium stopped being totally non-viable and started to be an option again.

Repeat: the club did not want to move to Stratford; the OS bid was not a ploy, it was dead serious; the moment it became possible to stay in N17, that became the preferred option again.

 

[davidmatzdorf]

I wonder what the difference in costs would have been had we gone there instead. I guess the stadium would still have been the same design as this one. Maybe the cost of this one less the acquisition of surrounding areas and the cost to hire Wembley.

Thankfully Harringey Council gave the backing needed to make Tottenham a better place in the end. It would have been the final nail in the coffin for that area had the club moved.

No chance. It would have been different in every respect - probably designed by different architects. No resemblance at all. They would have reused the existing foundations, which would have mandated an entirely different proposal.

Does anyone else think it’s slightly odd it’s just the south stand ? As the last built surely the west should be more ready. Could it be possible that the wiring/fire issues don’t effect the South as it’s was effectively built separately. The press realease is slightly unclear if you can actually visit your seat in the west ? As it just mentions North and south.

Because the ground is still a building site the club can't be expected to make the whole thing safe for fans to wonder around. South Stand makes the most sense if looking to accommodate 6,000 people for a couple of hours. The bars, food options, views etc..

Fire alarm problems don't affect one stand or another, they affect the internal parts of the stadium, through which everyone from every stand has to escape in the event of a fire.

 

[davidmatzdorf]

Meet this guy briefly today who was from Corg / Korg (no idea who / what they are) and he was the guy in charge of the electrical systems safety inspection and would be the person who eventually would have to sign off on the stadium for it to open.

So having seen the news today I was excited and brought up the test events - he said he expected them both (?) to be cancelled and had no idea why the club had announced them as it was not even close to being ready. I said that sounds very unlikely given the bad PR it would cause. He shrugged. I asked how far away he thought the electrics were from being sorted - he said 'with a fair wind in time for the beginning of next season, but most likely September / October'.

As you'll pick up on, he seemed like a right miserable fuck - but unfortunately I've had it confirmed by a couple of people since that he is definitely the person in charge and he has the final sign off on the safety certificate. Hopefully he was bullshitting, but not encouraging.

I cannot imagine any set of wiring/electrical/alarm defects that would take a year to rectify, with contractors on site throughout. If there were a major contractual dispute, resulting in paralysis and no one actually doing the work until liability had been established, I could see it taking that long. But that doesn't seem to be the case. Electricians were recruited and were put to work rectifying the problem within a few weeks. What your contact is suggesting is that it would take roughly 3 times as long to rectify the defects as it took to install and wire everything up in the first place. That's a bit strange.

 

[Lilbaz]

That is bollocks. The financial cost would have been £5m a year and about £20m to take it down. We could have made money from concerts, cricket, baseball etc...

We've now spent £300m on a new roof and loses are £20m a year.

David care to share why the wtf?

https://talksport.com/football/419808/west-ham-london-stadium-2/

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/b...tadium-deal-explained-london-mayor-sadiq-khan

 

[davidmatzdorf]

That was the plan but there was no way the politicians who decided to give us an Olympic stadium were going to agree to have it knocked down just a few years later and turned into a football ground. Not really sure why Levy & ENIC ever thought that they would agree to that so now the politicians have spent millions of public money on subsidising WHU and more public money every time they want to have an athletics event there.

We know the answer to that. It was Naughty Politics. The Olympic Committee were alarmed that they had only one bidder (West Ham) and a non-competitive situation that would lead to a non-commercial bid, so they fibbed to Levy & THFC that they would consider a proposal to relocate the athletics track off site, to induce THFC to submit a competing bid that they had zero intention of approving.

Levy was so incandescent, when he found out that he had been gulled into spending millions on a bid that had been ruled out before it was prepared, that he threatened to take legal action.

 

[davidmatzdorf]

The Guardian writing some utter bollocks today. Got nothing to do with us, it’s the contractors responsibility to pay people. The lefty fucks can’t resist a dig at us.

Bollocks. There is not a single "dig" at Tottenham in that article. A recruitment agency went bust and Spurs are being asked to cover the lost wages. No criticism of the club whatsoever.

 

[davidmatzdorf]

David care to share why the wtf?

https://talksport.com/football/419808/west-ham-london-stadium-2/

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/b...tadium-deal-explained-london-mayor-sadiq-khan

"£300m on a new roof". Rubbish.

 

[Lilbaz]

"£300m on a new roof". Rubbish.

The conversion to football cost £323m. Ok it was a bit flippant but the roof took up a huge part of that cost. The retractable seating cost £8m.

Maybe read the guardian article before calling rubbish. It refers to the mayors investigations findings.

 

[Lilbaz]

Sorry if already posted.

 

[spud]

The Guardian writing some utter bollocks today. Got nothing to do with us, it’s the contractors responsibility to pay people. The lefty fucks can’t resist a dig at us.

So Mace employs Tyco to get the safety systems work done, Tyco employs BCL Recruitment, and BCL employs the electricians. Then BCL has financial difficulties and can't pay the workers. Obviously not the fault of the club that workers may not have been paid.

To be fair, the article is quite well-balanced. It includes quotes from the club and Mace. The only attributeded criticism is by Sam McDouall, chairman of the Independent Workers Union of Great Britain’s electrical workers branch, who said “The IWGB find it very difficult to understand how a football club that prides itself on being a club of moral distinction allows its contractors to act in such a morally and ethically poor way. Considering this will have a major impact on the electrical workers’ families and it’s a month before Christmas we are hoping for a swift resolution.”

There is only minor anecdotal evidence that the contractors have acted in a "morally and ethically poor way" and it is refuted. Unfortunately, this criticism is what the headline writer has chosen to use for the article.

So it isn't 'lefty fucks having a dig at us', it's a headline writer using the one aspect of the story that is likely to garner the most clicks. In other words, just what every media outlet does.

 

[wakefieldyid]

So Mace employs Tyco to get the safety systems work done, Tyco employs BCL Recruitment, and BCL employs the electricians. Then BCL has financial difficulties and can't pay the workers. Obviously not the fault of the club that workers may not have been paid.

To be fair, the article is quite well-balanced. It includes quotes from the club and Mace. The only attributeded criticism is by Sam McDouall, chairman of the Independent Workers Union of Great Britain’s electrical workers branch, who said “The IWGB find it very difficult to understand how a football club that prides itself on being a club of moral distinction allows its contractors to act in such a morally and ethically poor way. Considering this will have a major impact on the electrical workers’ families and it’s a month before Christmas we are hoping for a swift resolution.”

There is only minor anecdotal evidence that the contractors have acted in a "morally and ethically poor way" and it is refuted. Unfortunately, this criticism is what the headline writer has chosen to use for the article.

So it isn't 'lefty fucks having a dig at us', it's a headline writer using the one aspect of the story that is likely to garner the most clicks. In other words, just what every media outlet does.

The background to this is that Tyco's management has become much more profit-focussed since the company was acquired by Johnson Controls in 2016. JC is a company that had shamelessly relocated to Ireland to avoid the higher US corporation tax, and I understand that they've reduced Tyco's permanent workforce and chipped away at their existing employees' terms and conditions, which is why they've become dependent on agency staff. The recruitment agency will have thought all its Christmasses came at once when they realised the scale of the job, until the payments they were expecting from Tyco were delayed through the usual big-company bullshit. All in all, it's got damn-all to do with THFC, but the lads naturally see the club as sitting on the money that they are owed.

 

[doctor stefan Freud]

Sorry if already posted.

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