New Stadium Details And Discussions

[RichieS]

Does anyone know why the east stand has been left looking so relatively unfinished all the way through?

 

[Lilbaz]

Does anyone know why the east stand has been left looking so relatively unfinished all the way through?

Because the west stand is on the highroad and is the entrance for football so more important to finish first?

 

[aliyid]

The more I see of the stadium two things jump out.

1 - God I love that cockerel being on top of the south stand. It’s not something I’ve ever really taken any notice of before but up there it looks so majestic.

2 - Not sure what angle they’re expecting ariel shots to be taken from (S>N or N>S) but the ‘To Dare is To Do’ always looks upside down as it’s only really visible when looking N>S

 

[Hoopspur]

So Mace employs Tyco to get the safety systems work done, Tyco employs BCL Recruitment, and BCL employs the electricians. Then BCL has financial difficulties and can't pay the workers. Obviously not the fault of the club that workers may not have been paid.

To be fair, the article is quite well-balanced. It includes quotes from the club and Mace. The only attributeded criticism is by Sam McDouall, chairman of the Independent Workers Union of Great Britain’s electrical workers branch, who said “The IWGB find it very difficult to understand how a football club that prides itself on being a club of moral distinction allows its contractors to act in such a morally and ethically poor way. Considering this will have a major impact on the electrical workers’ families and it’s a month before Christmas we are hoping for a swift resolution.”

There is only minor anecdotal evidence that the contractors have acted in a "morally and ethically poor way" and it is refuted. Unfortunately, this criticism is what the headline writer has chosen to use for the article.

So it isn't 'lefty fucks having a dig at us', it's a headline writer using the one aspect of the story that is likely to garner the most clicks. In other words, just what every media outlet does.

Sure as hell Levy will be talking to those closest to him in line of responsibility and tell them to sort this out now. Bad headlines, for whatever reason, don’t help. But I guess it comes with the territory.

 

[Tiffers]

They've been at it all year, generally nit picking over minor details like this one (they appear to want Spurs to pay up twice because other companies are having issues) which is a bit bizarre...

Even more bizarre, however, is their constant championing of Man City, a club you would have expected The Guardian to think of as the devil. Anyone would think they're desperate for money...

Why is their support for Man City bizarre ? The paper's full title is, or at least used to be, The Manchester Guardian!@

 

[cliff jones]

I posted the financial/development background to this at some length very recently.

None of these posts is quite accurate. We were 100% in for the OS, but not because we wanted to be. Levy and co. went for it because the financial crash made the project to replace WHL non-viable, in the sense that it was impossible to fund it.

The alternative was the OS and there had to be an alternative, because ENIC's entire business model is to add value to acquisitions, which mandated a new stadium. It's not so to suggest that the bid was a ploy. It was a desperate measure and an end in itself. But after the riots and the political moves to plough regeneration capital into Tottenham, it didn't take long for the club to revert to what it really wanted all the time, which is a stadium in N17, supported by a regeneration project.

The financial panic eased, the affordable housing and other expensive S.106 obligations were removed and the result was that the stadium stopped being totally non-viable and started to be an option again.

Repeat: the club did not want to move to Stratford; the OS bid was not a ploy, it was dead serious; the moment it became possible to stay in N17, that became the preferred option again.

If Levy had won the bid we'd have gone there. He's on record stating that the transport links, proximity to the City & Docklands, were the key attraction. So not a ploy, or a bluff.

 

[worcestersauce]

The more I see of the stadium two things jump out.

1 - God I love that cockerel being on top of the south stand. It’s not something I’ve ever really taken any notice of before but up there it looks so majestic.

2 - Not sure what angle they’re expecting ariel shots to be taken from (S>N or N>S) but the ‘To Dare is To Do’ always looks upside down as it’s only really visible when looking N>S
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Look on Google earth and google maps, it is the right way round.

 

[coys200]

Does anyone know why the east stand has been left looking so relatively unfinished all the way through?

For obvious reasons that nobody can really see it. If we did open for United the north/west/south are finished and that’s what a TV audience will see. And I’d suggest the east is just the veil now anyway. The gaps you see have been purposefully left as they were on the west. I think SW veil will be done this time next week and I’d imagine east is 4-6 weeks to get done. So could be possibly totally complete by United.

 

[L-man]

 

[Cornpattbuck]

Why is their support for Man City bizarre ? The paper's full title is, or at least used to be, The Manchester Guardian!@

I really enjoy their writing in general, I just find their puff pieces ignoring the corruption/questionable goings-on at City a little hypocritical especially when they are so quick to get on their high horse about other teams...

But hey ho, not really the place and others clearly don't agree. C'est la vie.

 

[bubble07]

Levy charging us £1 to test out the new ticketing system. I wonder whether he will also test out the refunding system?

 

[davidmatzdorf]

If Levy had won the bid we'd have gone there. He's on record stating that the transport links, proximity to the City & Docklands, were the key attraction. So not a ploy, or a bluff.

Nothing you wrote disagrees with what I wrote.

At the time when we would have won the bid, had we won it, yes, Levy would have gone there in a heartbeat.

But the business about the transport links, etc., while true, was mainly a statement to reassure the Olympic committee that we were serious.

As I wrote above and we agree, "it was not a ploy, it was dead serious". Nor was it a bluff. It was the only available option, other than staying in a 36k stadium indefinitely.

 

[danielneeds]

Levy charging us £1 to test out the new ticketing system. I wonder whether he will also test out the refunding system?

Although it is very Levy-like, if they gave them out free too many people wouldn’t turn up. They need the proper numbers to test systems. I think it was said at the provirus test events that the money would go to charity.

 

[whitesocks]

Does anyone know why the east stand has been left looking so relatively unfinished all the way through?

The east stand always seemed to be behind.
The Paxton stand was very close when the south end of it was built and they had to work around that roof strut thingy. And the works entrances were this side too.
All the same, nothing seemed to happen very fast on this stand - it looked a skeleton structure when other stands were looking close to finished.

It has been my unpopular view that we never intended to open the whole ground against Liverpool - the original original plan was to open a U shaped stadium after all. Given they sold season tickets for all stands, this would have been an even bigger PR disaster, so I doubt this theory will be confirmed anytime soon.

 

[Saoirse]

The east stand always seemed to be behind.
The Paxton stand was very close when the south end of it was built and they had to work around that roof strut thingy. And the works entrances were this side too.
All the same, nothing seemed to happen very fast on this stand - it looked a skeleton structure when other stands were looking close to finished.

It has been my unpopular view that we never intended to open the whole ground against Liverpool - the original original plan was to open a U shaped stadium after all. Given they sold season tickets for all stands, this would have been an even bigger PR disaster, so I doubt this theory will be confirmed anytime soon.

That does seem really unlikely. It would have meant some season ticket holders not being able to go because there wouldn't have been enough capacity. The last thing they'd have done in that circumstance was actually increase the number sold by 2,000.

 

[Flashspur]

Meet this guy briefly today who was from Corg / Korg (no idea who / what they are) and he was the guy in charge of the electrical systems safety inspection and would be the person who eventually would have to sign off on the stadium for it to open.

So having seen the news today I was excited and brought up the test events - he said he expected them both (?) to be cancelled and had no idea why the club had announced them as it was not even close to being ready. I said that sounds very unlikely given the bad PR it would cause. He shrugged. I asked how far away he thought the electrics were from being sorted - he said 'with a fair wind in time for the beginning of next season, but most likely September / October'.

As you'll pick up on, he seemed like a right miserable fuck - but unfortunately I've had it confirmed by a couple of people since that he is definitely the person in charge and he has the final sign off on the safety certificate. Hopefully he was bullshitting, but not encouraging.

Is that CORGI? Isn’t that the council for gas fitters? What has that to do with electrical and fire safety? I smell a rat.

 

[Lilbaz]

Is that CORGI? Isn’t that the council for gas fitters? What has that to do with electrical and fire safety? I smell a rat.

Corgi was replaced. Doesn't exist anymore i don't think.

 

[davidmatzdorf]

Corgi was replaced. Doesn't exist anymore i don't think.

Now known as the Gas Safe Register. But I still meet people who refer to "CORGI-registered" installers.

 

[greaves]

Is that CORGI? Isn’t that the council for gas fitters? What has that to do with electrical and fire safety? I smell a rat.

Something to do with the Queen.

 

[newbie]

Levy charging us £1 to test out the new ticketing system. I wonder whether he will also test out the refunding system?

How do you test it without charging a transaction fee?