New Stadium Details And Discussions

[absolute bobbins]

I dont get this whole familiar stuff. It's a football stadium not a rocket ship. Our opponents will be new there too but we'll be the ones with the fans behind us (much more so than at Wembley). I can't see anything but a massive lift for the players when we move in.

There is a degree of truth to it, you can take visual cues from fixtures/furniture in a stadium which help with your orientation when you're not necessarily able to get your head up and take stock but it's not a huge thing.

That being said, it's got to be better to get it out of the way sooner rather than later. If we win all the remaining home games at the new stadium it can already be seen, regardless of the strength of the opposition, as something of a fortress by the beginning of the new season.

 

[14/04/91]

I understand the financial side, but I don’t see the benefit in footballing terms.

It's complete guesswork to say the football side will be affected; the players & coaching staff know we're moving in as soon as possible so will deal with it.

But the fact we've got games against Palace, Brighton, Huddersfield, West Ham and Everton will likely be attractive to the players/staff.
Say we leave it til next season and start City, Liverpool, Chelsea, United as first 4 home games? Would that be preferable? I'd say no.

We could drop points against any of the 5 sides we're still to play but if it wasn't for late goals recently, we'd have dropped points against Burnley and Newcastle so it's too simple to say the ground is a major factor.
Much more of a valid reason is playing against a packed, deep defence but we've faced this for a couple of years now, at WHL and Wembley. And we will at NWHL.

 

[southlondonyiddo]

The studies usually say there is settling in period, but they don't really don't relate to our move. There's a huge difference from a team going from a much-loved fortress like Upton Park, Highbury, or the Calderon, into a shiny new stadium. We've already had to adjust from the loss of WHL, and will be going from a shiny, soulless bowl into something wonderful.

SPOT ON

I'm sure the players now hate having to play at the atmosphere vacuum nearly as much as we hate having to bloody go there
They cannot wait to get into the NWHL and neither can a single ST holder

 

[$hoguN]

I dont get this whole familiar stuff. It's a football stadium not a rocket ship. Our opponents will be new there too but we'll be the ones with the fans behind us (much more so than at Wembley). I can't see anything but a massive lift for the players when we move in.

Pochettino has even come out and said as much

 

[Lou3000]

This. They could have at least given us information on the smoke tests, progress on the exterior work (or God forbid even the interior work) and what is actually needed before test events etc can be announced. It felt massively like a token gesture to me that took all of 5 mins to put together.

I can't think of any legal ramifications of being more detailed. First, send the Spurs media team around the stadium to take photos of new areas and of continuing construction (skywalk). Then discuss what is actually going on.

Pretty sure I've seen an interview with Jan or someone who said that players become accustomed to a lot of things in a stadium on match day. They know the regular faces, the advertising hoardings etc. all of which, in the blink of an eye, enable a player to know where exactly they are on the pitch, position to goal etc. which is why they often don't even look at the goal.

I've heard players mention sighting keys in familiar stadiums. You don't have to get your bearings if you know where you are next to the advertising hoardings. Also relevant for free kicks.

 

[therhinospeaks]

Oh bollocks to you you miserable sod. Unfortunately, despite being offered one, I am not in a position to afford a season ticket.
However, I go when I can, and despite hating the Wembley experience, still continue to support the team when I can.
I know many season ticket holders and sympathise with the situation, but do you honestly think Levy planned this or is happy with the situation??
Its a cock up, unfortunate, inconvenient, disappointing and many other adjectives, but your reaction may just be a little OTT??

I've spent most of the season moving work trips and social events around a potential first game at the new ground at a substantial cost to myself. All the while being drip fed refunds, information and being offered the opportunity to pay cat A prices for Liverpool or cat B against Southampton. Perish the thought I might be a bit hacked off at the situation. I'd like nothing more than to support the club but there comes a point where one has to make a stand.

 

[marion52]

As, allegedly, the NLD was never going to be the first game at the new stadium they could have included that in the last update.
Then the next update could have been positive news of test events etc, instead of more drip drip of (bad) news and refund.

 

[Scissors&Tape]

I wonder if there is a non-disparagement clause in the contract with Mace that effectively prohibits Spurs from publicly blaming Mace or the subs for the delays, or at least limits disclosure of a detailed explanation for the delays. If any dispute is going to be resolved in private arbitration, I could see the parties agreeing not to air any dirty laundry outside of arbitration. Hence the frustratingly vague press releases.

 

[mil1lion]

Pretty sure I've seen an interview with Jan or someone who said that players become accustomed to a lot of things in a stadium on match day. They know the regular faces, the advertising hoardings etc. all of which, in the blink of an eye, enable a player to know where exactly they are on the pitch, position to goal etc. which is why they often don't even look at the goal.

All things that are new to the opponent too. Besides this is still home so the area is very much familiar anyway. I'd also say the new stadium has a familiar feel to it. At the end of the day home is home and the players will feel at home from day one. Not to mention they've already been to the new stadium and will no doubt practice on the new pitch before they move in. I think there's for more positives to moving in now than negative.

 

[mil1lion]

They have been hiding information ever since September, of that there's no doubt. The likes of us on here, who follow the stadium carefully can still put it together, but the average fan has really had no clue what's going on, hence the anger.

So you know what's going on and are still upset because the club haven't announced it? I dont really get it. They are just going through the usual process and announcing at the right time. They're not going to make announcements every week. I dont see much difference with this and transfers really. You have ITK saying what's going on but the club keep silent until there's something official to announce.I dont see what the big deal is to be honest. Just people too impatient.

 

[midoNdefoe]

Maybe I haven't explained this very well. The point i'm trying to make is that the club have been refunding 1/19th per game so far, basically saying that all games are of equal value. The NLD against Arsenal is worth just as much as Huddersfield at home. As fans, we know this isn't the case.

My season ticket cost £975 this year. If spurs had offered to sell me the same season ticket, minus the games against the other top six teams, for £719 (1/19th off for each one), there's no way I would have bought it. For the final five games left to be of equivalent value to the overall season ticket, at least one of the fixtures would had to have been against a top 6 rival.

Basically, i'm saying that i'd pay a lot more money to watch Spurs against a top 6 team (for obvious reasons) than I would to watch Spurs against a team lower down the league, yet the season ticket refund system has equated them as the same. It's not right IMO that fans will therefore (assuming the palace game is the first in the new stadium) be charged more per game for their season tickets than the equivalent individual category price.

So, you no doubt complained the same way when they were refunding you too much for the lesser games at wembley?

 

[FibreOpticJesus]

So it sounds like our single stand will be referred to as the kop by a lot of people. I really hope people can get in the habit of calling it the Park Lane. Maybe even the Park Lane Kop will do. I'm not sure if I'm alone but I dont want it to share the same reference as Liverpool or anyone else. I know kop is a generic term for a single tier stand but ours is our own and deserves its own label.

Whats wrong with calling it the Shelf?

 

[mil1lion]

Pochettino has even come out and said as much

The same Poch that said he wants to move in as soon as possible? This is also the same Spurs with an amazing away record now. I really dont see it being an issue somehow.

 

[mil1lion]

Whats wrong with calling it the Shelf?

Shelf is 2 tiers in the East stand

 

[Annabel]

So it sounds like our single stand will be referred to as the kop by a lot of people. I really hope people can get in the habit of calling it the Park Lane. Maybe even the Park Lane Kop will do. I'm not sure if I'm alone but I dont want it to share the same reference as Liverpool or anyone else. I know kop is a generic term for a single tier stand but ours is our own and deserves its own label.

Clive Allen was calling it "the wall" on twitter. The Wall or Park Lane Wall, or even White Hart Wall, all sound much better than the kop end, and doesn't have the 'pewl connections.

 

[FibreOpticJesus]

As will whichever teams come and play there, with the possibility of fucking up both our big homecoming and title chances.
The aura playing at Wembley is long gone, as much for our opponents as our own team. It's not the big day out anymore.

Never was at the new stadium. Shadow of the old stadium and a poor one at that. Place is souless.

 

[nailsy]

Am I the only one getting bored by people saying "just announce that we will move in the summer"? How stupid would we look playing games at Wembley in April if the stadium is ready to be used from the middle of March? How many millions of pounds would we be throwing away renting a stadium that we don't need? Or are people happy for the club to pass on the costs to the fans going to the games?

 

[mil1lion]

Clive Allen was calling it "the wall" on twitter. The Wall or Park Lane Wall, or even White Hart Wall, all sound much better than the kop end, and doesn't have the 'pewl connections.

Call it the wall and Eriksen will kick free kicks into it

 

[Donki]

Wow so many disagrees, if another club were fucking about as much as we had we would certainly have plenty to say about it.

 

[FibreOpticJesus]

Shelf is 2 tiers in the East stand

Is that a fact that the new East Stand is called the Shelf? If so fair enough. But if not it is a a name linked to Spurs and it would be a shame to lose it. After all the so called kop or wall stand doesnt align with their names either.