New Stadium Details And Discussions

[davidmatzdorf]

sorry mr architect. isn't it just a frame with no roof and some plastic seats?? big steel sheet cladding.. simples..

Imagine the construction of sizable apt block..

As LA Yiddo said, you know absolutely nothing about the development and construction industries. Your posts are just embarrassing to read, because you apparently think it's easy building anything in an urban environment and that building a £450m multi-use development, including a huge, structurally-complex stadium, a supermarket, four historic protected buildings, a public square, 200 flats, a hotel and various shops and ancillary facilities, all crammed into a site surrounded by urban roads, is easier than building a stand-alone block of flats. That's so ignorant it's plain idiotic.

As I said only a few posts ago about another troll-inclined dick on this thread, it's also fucking disrespectful to the people who have spent hours filling this thread with information based on their professional experience.

STFU and read the thread.


P.S Just in case you're still in a state of doubt here, I did my degree in architecture and have worked in housing development for 30 years.

 

[Graysonti]

As LA Yiddo said, you know absolutely nothing about the development and construction industries. Your posts are just embarrassing to read, because you apparently think it's easy building anything in an urban environment and that building a £450m multi-use development, including a huge, structurally-complex stadium, a supermarket, four historic protected buildings, a public square, 200 flats, a hotel and various shops and ancillary facilities, all crammed into a site surrounded by urban roads, is easier than building a stand-alone block of flats. That's so ignorant it's plain idiotic.

As I said only a few posts ago about another troll-inclined dick on this thread, it's also fucking disrespectful to the people who have spent hours filling this thread with information based on their professional experience.

STFU and read the thread.


P.S Just in case you're still in a state of doubt here, I did my degree in architecture and have worked in housing development for 30 years.

Calm down.

On a side note, I found out something very interesting (and positive) regarding the stadium Sunday. Unfortunately I've been sworn to secrecy but I'm now happy things are progressing behind he scenes.

 

[Sandro30]

Calm down.

On a side note, I found out something very interesting (and positive) regarding the stadium Sunday. Unfortunately I've been sworn to secrecy but I'm now happy things are progressing behind he scenes.

Don't be a pansy and tell us.

 

[JimmyG2]

Calm down.

On a side note, I found out something very interesting (and positive) regarding the stadium Sunday. Unfortunately I've been sworn to secrecy but I'm now happy things are progressing behind he scenes.

We're building a stadium?
They've kept that quiet.
Surprised there isn't a thread on Spurs Community about it.
Must PM davidmatzdorf and get something going.
Apparently he's a local jobbing builder or some such
and might know what's going on.

 

[Kalim]

Calm down.

On a side note, I found out something very interesting (and positive) regarding the stadium Sunday. Unfortunately I've been sworn to secrecy but I'm now happy things are progressing behind he scenes.

Finance in place?

 

[chrissivad]

There has been nothing new on COYS.

Last Edmond had said was ages ago that there was delays but things are always happening behind the scene.

 

[pook]

sorry mr architect. isn't it just a frame with no roof and some plastic seats?? big steel sheet cladding.. simples ...

it can be ... but hopefully our new place will be a bit nicer than roker park.

 

[chrissivad]

As far as I know, the CPO on Archway hasn't been sorted. I suspect they are being ridiculously greedy

Good guess

 

[CoopsieDeadpool]

I thought all CPO's were sorted and, according to this article, should be kicking in any time now?

http://www.tottenhamjournal.co.uk/n...l_business_in_the_way_of_new_ground_1_1334278

This is a genuine question by the way, I'm not going to pretend to understand any of this stuff..

 

[davidmatzdorf]

I thought all CPO's were sorted and, according to this article, should be kicking in any time now?

http://www.tottenhamjournal.co.uk/n...l_business_in_the_way_of_new_ground_1_1334278

This is a genuine question by the way, I'm not going to pretend to understand any of this stuff..

The article says that Haringey Council agreed to pursue Compulsory Purchase Orders, not that they have been granted. CPOs aren't straightforward: there are always arguments about valuations and there are appeals procedures that can be used to delay and frustrate the CPO. Eventually, the council will get its way in this case, because the development being obstructed by the landowners is so obviously of major importance and also imminent, but the council isn't going to throw any more taxpayer's money at the landowners than it has to, even if that means some delay.

 

[CoopsieDeadpool]

Thanks for that... So what would you say is the most likely scenario now, as things stand? I believe that the planning permission only lasts for so long? Is there no way that these Archway people can be sped up a little?

 

[talkshowhost86]

What I don't understand is that if DavidMatzdorf is an architect, why hasn't he just built the stadium himself?

I mean for fucks sake DM pull your finger out!

 

[davidmatzdorf]

What I don't understand is that if DavidMatzdorf is an architect, why hasn't he just built the stadium himself?

I did my degree and RIBA Part 2, but then I got diverted into playing music and then affordable housing and I never actually qualified as an architect.

Thanks for that... So what would you say is the most likely scenario now, as things stand? I believe that the planning permission only lasts for so long? Is there no way that these Archway people can be sped up a little?

A planning consent is valid for 3 years (used to be 5), but all you have to do to make it permanent is to "implement" it, which basically means starting some meaningful work on site, i.e., not just surveys or demolition, but constructing foundations. I'm not sure, but I would think that the fact that Northern development is well on its way now means that the whole planning consent has been implemented.

Short of sending in five big geezers with cricket bats, I think the council is just going to have to let the Archway people exercise their legal rights to oppose the CPO. I don't really know any details about the case.

 

[Lilbaz]

Letting people exercise their legal rights? Wtf has this country come to, leftist bullshit. Would never happen in china, if you want a family kicked out on the street there. Theyre on the street the next day! God bless em.

 

[spud]

Short of sending in five big geezers with cricket bats, I think the council is just going to have to let the Archway people exercise their legal rights to oppose the CPO. I don't really know any details about the case.

Excellent suggestion. Volunteers for the game against Southampton?

 

[Spursidol]

Minutes from May 2012 ie a year ago
http://www.minutes.haringey.gov.uk/...$TottenhamCPOreportcoveringreport.docA.ps.pdf

4.4 In consultation with the Council, THFC has been actively negotiating with landowners
for many years, and since the Council’s 16th November 2010 “in principle” resolution
these efforts have intensified in order to see if an agreement can be reached to acquire
by private treaty. In the majority of cases, this has been successful, with the Club
owning over 90% of the site. One remaining landowner has been unable to agree terms
with THFC. THFC have shown satisfactory evidence to Council Officers that a CPO is
now needed as a matter of last resort and deferring any decision will adversely impact
on the ability to secure funding and delivery of the scheme

Whatever the CPO process and appeals against iut, we appear to be a year into that process.

Any thoughts on the timeline David ?

 

[Spursidol]

http://www.planningservices.haringey.gov.uk/portal/servlets/ApplicationSearchServlet?PKID=267803

http://www.planningservices.haringey.gov.uk/portal/servlets/ApplicationSearchServlet?PKID=216075

demolition of existing buildings (500 White hart Lane and Hubert House) and erection of new steel cladded light industrial unit"

Extension of planning permission for a further 3 years

Just a piunt on my part - but could this be an extension of planning permission that Spurs have got for Archway Steel's new site (lots of rumours that to aid the move of Archway Steel we have found them a new local site as part of a CPO compensation package - no idea if we will also build it for Archway Steel. All this would be good ammunition against any attempt by Archway Steel appealing the CPO - assuming I am right that this is Archway Stell's new site).

If I am not right - any thoughts on what this site could be, could it be just a storage site for the construction team ? Seems a bit too permanant for that to me though ?

If it is to do with Archway Steel the extension of planning permission could support the idea that the CPO on Archway Steel has not been completed yet ?

 

[ryantegan]

I love this thread.

Thank you everyone for your expertise

 

[Spurs_Bear]

http://www.planningservices.haringey.gov.uk/portal/servlets/ApplicationSearchServlet?PKID=267803

http://www.planningservices.haringey.gov.uk/portal/servlets/ApplicationSearchServlet?PKID=216075

demolition of existing buildings (500 White hart Lane and Hubert House) and erection of new steel cladded light industrial unit"

Extension of planning permission for a further 3 years

Just a piunt on my part - but could this be an extension of planning permission that Spurs have got for Archway Steel's new site (lots of rumours that to aid the move of Archway Steel we have found them a new local site as part of a CPO compensation package - no idea if we will also build it for Archway Steel. All this would be good ammunition against any attempt by Archway Steel appealing the CPO - assuming I am right that this is Archway Stell's new site).

If I am not right - any thoughts on what this site could be, could it be just a storage site for the construction team ? Seems a bit too permanant for that to me though ?

If it is to do with Archway Steel the extension of planning permission could support the idea that the CPO on Archway Steel has not been completed yet ?

You could be right, also worth noting that the Main Contractor we have awarded the contract to (McLaren), have a background in the construction of the old school 'sheds' that you see on various industrial estates from the mid to late 80s. The CEO and Chairman (I think, I know their names but not 100% on roles...) of McLaren were two board members of Fitzpatrick who were one of the industry leaders in this field.

 

[Lilbaz]

According to swiss ramble (see thread in spurs chat) we spent £42m on the new stadium and training ground last year alone. That seems an incredible amount of money for a club our size.