New Stadium Details And Discussions

[Graysonti]

The suggestion that we have 48,000 people waiting on a list ready and willing to immediately commit to a season ticket at the first possible opportunity is absolute cobblers and a PR line spun by the club. We have 48,000 people who've paid the extra fiver a year or whatever it is to have a bronze membership, rather than a lilywhite one. Among the extra benefits of a bronze membership, are a free annual handbook, and the entitlement to a place on the season ticket waiting list. A significant number of those will have no interest in buying a season ticket, won't have the money, or in many cases won't even live in this country. It's a huge stretch of the truth to suggest we have 48,000 people waiting to buy a season ticket.

Conversely, there are people NOT on the list that DO want one - it's not and can never be an absolute science but a PAID scheme is the best way to gauge demand.

I want two but have only one membership.

 

[Lilbaz]

With a large number of tickets going to corpoate we will only see an increase of 12k in the new stadium (prob 1k for away fans). So probably about 7k extra season tickets. I think they will sell out easily. As long as we play decent football.

 

[camaj]

I can't remember if the new stadium is 56k or 58k, which is 20 or 22k more tickets. Clearly there will be an increase in box capacity as well as club-level seats but I can't see 2/3 of them going to those seats, even 1/3 is generous.

It's a huge stretch of the truth to suggest we have 48,000 people waiting to buy a season ticket.

While we can't guarantee that all 48,000 people are waiting for a ST, it's not a huge stretch. How many really want a free handbook? I didn't even know there was such a thing. I think it's fair to say that almost all of them will want a ST, it's easily the main attraction. It's not necessarily the case that they'd all want one today, some of them are possibly reserving a spot so they can get one a few seasons down the line when they expect to be able to afford it. If we're generous and say 8,000 fans don't want a ticket or wouldn't buy one until the new stadium is built, then that still leaves 40,000. That would leave us with 63,000 fans with ST if they all could have one and another 8,000 fans who probably want one and will probably come to games in the mean time.

 

[Lilbaz]

The emirates is 9k corporate, i think we want to match that (sure i read it somewhere and that our corporate at the moment is 3k).

 

[chrissivad]

posted on COYS:

New stadium or Leandro in a Spurs shirt - what comes first?

I'm hearing one of them soon

 

[matthew.absurdum]

posted on COYS:

New stadium or Leandro in a Spurs shirt - what comes first?

So we are having a new stadium next season?

 

[Graysonti]

posted on COYS:

New stadium or Leandro in a Spurs shirt - what comes first?

Can he elaborate ? Assuming Stadium?

 

[chrissivad]

Can he elaborate ? Assuming Stadium?

he might be able to, it was posted in the stadium thread

 

[Graysonti]

he might be able to, it was posted in the stadium thread

Good news

 

[chrissivad]

He did say a week or so back that there would be nothing happening soon though. So not sure where this info sits

 

[camaj]

The emirates is 9k corporate, i think we want to match that (sure i read it somewhere and that our corporate at the moment is 3k).

So that would be 6k more which would leave 14k extra seats for normal fans

 

[Spursidol]

The suggestion that we have 48,000 people waiting on a list ready and willing to immediately commit to a season ticket at the first possible opportunity is absolute cobblers and a PR line spun by the club. We have 48,000 people who've paid the extra fiver a year or whatever it is to have a bronze membership, rather than a lilywhite one. Among the extra benefits of a bronze membership, are a free annual handbook, and the entitlement to a place on the season ticket waiting list. A significant number of those will have no interest in buying a season ticket, won't have the money, or in many cases won't even live in this country. It's a huge stretch of the truth to suggest we have 48,000 people waiting to buy a season ticket.

Last I heard we have a 36k stadium which gets full - about 99% full over all matches.

The new stadium is said to be 56,250 ie 20k more capacity than existing - of which probably about 8k will be extrra corporate seats and 12k 'ordinary' fan seats.

So if 25% of the 48k season ticket waiting list (ie 12k) actually biuy thatr's another fiull house going forward

Put that way the figures are less scary ?

 

[Lilbaz]

So that would be 6k more which would leave 14k extra seats for normal fans

But I doubt they'd all be allocated to season tickets. Probably 2/3, the rest would be matchday tickets/members. But that's all speculation. Away fan allocation would probably also increase.

 

[ohwhenthespurs]

So, apparently Edmonton has said on COYS that there's a new stadium design coming, and that KSS are no longer working on the NDP. I find this potentially worrying, as I loved the old design, its look, its positioning close to the pitch and the attempt to promote a good atmosphere and avoid the mistakes made by Arsenal et al. Also, presumably, this means another big delay and a new planning application? Anyone know anymore on this?

 

[Lilbaz]

Don't know why, they did a great job on the training ground and our relationship goes back as far as this thread (a long time). Doubt there'd be that much of a change in the design though. Hope Edmonton is wrong as this is a bit late in the day to be changing horses. Especially as we have already started phase 1 which I'm guessing they designed?

 

[Berglad]

So, apparently Edmonton has said on COYS that there's a new stadium design coming, and that KSS are no longer working on the NDP. I find this potentially worrying, as I loved the old design, its look, its positioning close to the pitch and the attempt to promote a good atmosphere and avoid the mistakes made by Arsenal et al. Also, presumably, this means another big delay and a new planning application? Anyone know anymore on this?

he said earlier that KSS weren't involved anymore and going back to them was "Plan B"

he also said that it should be quiet on the stadium for the next few months probably, except for maybe another stage of approval

here are the posts:

Don't bother for while, nothing interesting for months except maybe cpo decision

KSS no longer involved. This is not public. I think going back to them is plan B.

 

[davidmatzdorf]

So, apparently Edmonton has said on COYS that there's a new stadium design coming, and that KSS are no longer working on the NDP. I find this potentially worrying, as I loved the old design, its look, its positioning close to the pitch and the attempt to promote a good atmosphere and avoid the mistakes made by Arsenal et al. Also, presumably, this means another big delay and a new planning application? Anyone know anymore on this?

It could be a source of real problems, or it could not. It may depend on the form of procurement being used for the main building contract. If the club is planning to appoint a main contractor using a design-and-build form of contract, this basically transfers the responsibility for developing the detailed design to the contractor. What usually happens in that case is that the original design architect gets paid off for the work they have done to get the project to this stage and the contractor brings in their own choice of architect to develop the design and deal with the detailed supervision during construction.

I'm not a fan of design-and-build contracts, which is basically a sign that I'm old-school. To me, they are excuses to cut cost and cut risk by cutting corners and they are an excuse for lazy project management. London is full of developments (especially housing) where an experienced eye can say "that was D&B", based on an interesting design and layout, accompanied by cheap and nasty detailing. I see them every day: the original architect hasn't been given a chance to follow through on their design and the contractor, having tendered a fixed price, has been given licence to increase their profit by substituting cheap solutions for good ones.

Alternatively, it is possible that there has been a big fall-out with KSS and the project is in difficulties. I have no idea.

 

[Lilbaz]

Could this have anything to do with the delay with the training ground? Spurs didn't seem happy with the finish and it took an extra (what?) 2 months to get everything right?

 

[nightgoat]

Don't know why, they did a great job on the training ground and our relationship goes back as far as this thread (a long time). Doubt there'd be that much of a change in the design though. Hope Edmonton is wrong as this is a bit late in the day to be changing horses. Especially as we have already started phase 1 which I'm guessing they designed?

Surely the supermarket is sufficiently isolated in the overall plan to not have that much of an impact if there is a change to the stadium plan? If the stadium design is changed I wouldn't be too disappointed (except for presumably inevitable delays) as whilst the stands were steeper and closer to the pitch than Wembley, Etihad and Emirates it was still rather generic-modern-bowl-stadium. If it ends up being redesigned to a better design and includes anything like a slightly larger capacity/working out cheaper/quicker to build then I'm all for it.

 

[ohwhenthespurs]

Surely the supermarket is sufficiently isolated in the overall plan to not have that much of an impact if there is a change to the stadium plan? If the stadium design is changed I wouldn't be too disappointed (except for presumably inevitable delays) as whilst the stands were steeper and closer to the pitch than Wembley, Etihad and Emirates it was still rather generic-modern-bowl-stadium. If it ends up being redesigned to a better design and includes anything like a slightly larger capacity/working out cheaper/quicker to build then I'm all for it.

and what if it changes in the opposite direction in order to be cheaper?