New Stadium Details And Discussions

[L.A. Yiddo]

Populous have 'slight' experience in designing stadia:-

http://populous.com/projects/type/stadia/

 

[Lilbaz]

Not that excited by those stadiums.

 

[chrissivad]

Not that excited by those stadiums.

agree, but it does show that they can come up with different designs and know what they are doing.

 

[Danfunkel]

I duno. The Aviva in Dublin is one of my favorite looking stadiums

 

[L.A. Yiddo]

I duno. The Aviva in Dublin is one of my favorite looking stadiums

Mr Levy, is that you?

 

[davidmatzdorf]

As I suggested in my post about Design & Build above.this whole change-of-architect rumour smells like "value-engineering" to me, i.e., cheapening the product to get the price down to where they can get started. Perhaps good for the timetable, but not good for the product.

 

[Spursidol]

Few things wrong with that.

Station and Tottenham way are nothing to do with us, the government will pay for that.

The southern development will not start until the stadium is completed. We are not relying on the money.

Arsenal did not struggle the payments were easily met and arsenals profit and turnover increased after the stadium was built. The sale of the Highbury flats although less than what they expected was pure profit.

I'm not suggesting they will be financed by Spurs.

However if they are not built the stadium could be a lot less attractive so lenders might not be as keen to lend and/or could affect the capacity we are allowed to have as they directly affact the rate at which people arrive and exit from the stadium and Tottenham.

So what is being suggested is that we may wait for a couple of months to see whether these things are being progressed (eg plans and budgets agreed ) - if we are staying with the KSS design of stadium then there will be a 1,001 details to look at before a building contract is looked at, whilst if we are changing architects to redesign the stadium that will take time so ither way we are not delaying the stadium buld by waiting to see progress on the station and 'Wembley Way'.

 

[Hoopspur]

Sorry, just come in slightly late on this one. Is there a suggestion that the stadium design as currently illustrated could be scrapped and we are in for a different design by Populous?

 

[Lilbaz]

From the sounds of it levy is just looking at all possibilities before making a final decision. For something that we will have to live with for the next 30 years or so it might be a good idea.

Looking at the training ground i doubt we're going for a cheap alternative.

 

[Hoopspur]

From the sounds of it levy is just looking at all possibilities before making a final decision. For something that we will have to live with for the next 30 years or so it might be a good idea.

Looking at the training ground i doubt we're going for a cheap alternative.

There was always the slight suggestion that it looked like the Emirates V.02 (albeit steeper in pitch), closer to the pitch itself and with the Kop style end. Personally though I'd like it if it developed a little more character if possible whilst still retaining these 2 key features. If this means the reinstatement of boxes all the way round though I feel there will be quite a major backlash.

 

[michaelden]

There was always the slight suggestion that it looked like the Emirates V.02 (albeit steeper in pitch), closer to the pitch itself and with the Kop style end. Personally though I'd like it if it developed a little more character if possible whilst still retaining these 2 key features. If this means the reinstatement of boxes all the way round though I feel there will be quite a major backlash.

Considering that boxes are where the real money is, I'd not argue against a tier of boxes

 

[worcestersauce]

There was always the slight suggestion that it looked like the Emirates V.02 (albeit steeper in pitch), closer to the pitch itself and with the Kop style.

So not like the emirates at all then.

 

[ohwhenthespurs]

As I suggested in my post about Design & Build above.this whole change-of-architect rumour smells like "value-engineering" to me, i.e., cheapening the product to get the price down to where they can get started. Perhaps good for the timetable, but not good for the product.

Hmm, while I don't have your technical knowledge and expertise - I've very much enjoyed reading your posts - this is what occurred to me. I'm really hoping Mr Levy isn't pulling the trick of dazzling us with such ambitious designs, that will be unlike all the other 'soulless bowls' and will be closer to the pitch with a better atmosphere and architecturally unique rather than just another shite 'off the shelf' bowl such as the Stadium of Light or Emirates, getting the approval, getting all the governmental bodies onside and then when it's all in position and ready to go presenting us with some sack of shit that looks like a big Riverside Stadium for two thirds of the price.

 

[Spursidol]

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/mayor/mayors-25m-rail-sweetener-8645571.html?origin=internalSearch

Mayor’s £25m rail 'sweetener'
05 June 2013



Boris Johnson has announced £25 million for improvements to the West Anglian rail line, amid claims that the cash is a “sweetener” to help persuade ministers to back his bid to take over the franchise.

The Mayor said the cash would help provide extra services at Northumberland Park and Tottenham Hale and improve links to London, but there were suggestions that the money would show how committed he was to the West Anglian routes.
Mr Johnson has admitted that negotiations with the Department for Transport to take over suburban routes have not been going well.

Green London Assembly member Darren Johnson said: “I know Boris has been having a hard time negotiating so probably this is an attempt at a sweetener.”

Looks like some funding to benefit NDP transport issues....

 

[Lilbaz]

If we are looking at other architects could we try Zaha Hadid? The Japanese national stadium is gorgeous.

 

[spud]

If we are looking at other architects could we try Zaha Hadid? The Japanese national stadium is gorgeous.

Gorgeous? It looks like Spaghetti Junction.

 

[Lilbaz]

To be fair, after looking at it for a while I prefer our current design.

 

[davidmatzdorf]

Heh. In the 70s, I was studying architecture at the same place and at the same time as Zaha Hadid, although we only knew each other to nod at in the stairwell.

Not a good choice if you want something that actually works, as well as looking astonishing. Not a good choice if there's anything remotely resembling a budget. Also - how shall I put this - development is a team activity and the architect is supposed to be a leader. Not a dictator.

She's about the last person you'd appoint as an architect to adapt and build out someone else's concept. She'd take the whole thing back to first principles and come up with something breathtaking, outrageous and wildly expensive, which would reset our timetable for building a new stadium back to where it was in about 2007.

I find all of the speculation about appointing a new architect to "redesign" the stadium rather implausible. Generating a new design and getting it through the planning process would add two years (at least) to the programme. If we are, in fact, changing architects, it will be (a) to get the current design moving, by rationalising it and saving money or (b) to make alterations to the existing design of the stadium itself, but within the overall approved master plan of the NDP. The suggestions that we are preparing to start all over again with a fresh approach, after the North Development is already on site, seem fanciful to me.

 

[worcestersauce]

Not to mention the original designers would study any new design for anything they considered taken from their original design and court cases would follow without a doubt.

 

[davidmatzdorf]

Not to mention the original designers would study any new design for anything they considered taken from their original design and court cases would follow without a doubt.

Doesn't work like that. Effectively, the client acquires the copyright of the scheme design when they pay the architects. Appointing architect no. 2 to adapt the design of architect no. 1 is commonplace.