New Stadium Details And Discussions

[N17Jack]

Something else to bear in mind is that some current season ticket holders won't renew at the new stadium as they will believe that the larger capacity means they are far more likely to get a ticket. There is also price to consider. If season tickets are not attractively priced, those on the waiting list will not be so keen.

I am sceptical about the belief we can easily fill 56k -60k. Im sure we will for the big games but unless prices stay reasonable and we have a team worthy of the stadium I don't think its a given. I've been a season holder for over ten years and have been to 99% of matches over that time, including cup games and often when midweek carling cup games come around(in fact even europa league) there are large sections of empty seats. Surely, if there are 40,000 people desperate for a sason ticket they would be desperate to come?

Obviously, as others have said, a large part of the increase will go to corporate where we will make most of the dosh. Also agree that a shiny new stadium in itself will be a big attraction for fans who might otherwise not go. I wonder though whether some fans may hold off getting a season ticket in order to move around the stadium and sit in different places for the first season.

Truth is we can only speak with certainty on personal experience. I and my two sons are season ticket holders. Having waited ten years to get one, I will not be letting mine go in the new stadium because it might be easier to get a ticket. It simply does not work like that for us. The problem filling the stadium at these lesser cup games started when managers, like Redknapp, started fielding youth sides with £50 tickets. We aint mugs. AVB went some way to addressing this last season and attendances improved at these games. The club, we can safely assume, has done a little market research prior to investing £200,000,000 or what ever it is, in the new stadium, if they are that confident they can fill it, we should be too! I imagine what will happen is that a whole new generation of Spurs fan will be able to experience something they could not before and that cant be bad can it?

 

[dagraham]

Truth is we can only speak with certainty on personal experience. I and my two sons are season ticket holders. Having waited ten years to get one, I will not be letting mine go in the new stadium because it might be easier to get a ticket. It simply does not work like that for us. The problem filling the stadium at these lesser cup games started when managers, like Redknapp, started fielding youth sides with £50 tickets. We aint mugs. AVB went some way to addressing this last season and attendances improved at these games. The club, we can safely assume, has done a little market research prior to investing £200,000,000 or what ever it is, in the new stadium, if they are that confident they can fill it, we should be too! I imagine what will happen is that a whole new generation of Spurs fan will be able to experience something they could not before and that cant be bad can it?

I agree with what you say, I won't be letting my season ticket go either. Just throwing a few ideas out there.

Hopefully we get some progress soon as its dragged for so long now. Some concrete news and I'll be excited about it again. Could certainly use a bit more leg room in the East Lower!!

 

[Lilbaz]

If we do have trouble filling up for league cup games, then use them to attract families. 2 adults 2 kids for £40 or kids for free, special deals for students that we can advertise with universities. We need to bring in the next generation of supporters.
Even if we do have trouble filling the ground at the beginning it's no big deal. We need the extra capacity to grow and if we start winning things it will soon fill up. We have hardly won anything in 20 years, how many people would start going if we were challenging for the title every year and bagged a few cups?

 

[camaj]

I think it's too easy to blame Redknapp for low attendances in cup games. I think there are a large number of fans

bronze memberships gets an extra day ticket priority, and puts you on the waiting list. A lot of fans who want tickets need to be bronze but dont want season ticket.

Given that it only gives you a one day priority for the first 1000 tickets, I'd find it hard to believe many people are members because of that. It's a nice bonus but that's it.

 

[carpediem991]

The suggestion that we have 48,000 people waiting on a list ready and willing to immediately commit to a season ticket at the first possible opportunity is absolute cobblers and a PR line spun by the club. We have 48,000 people who've paid the extra fiver a year or whatever it is to have a bronze membership, rather than a lilywhite one. Among the extra benefits of a bronze membership, are a free annual handbook, and the entitlement to a place on the season ticket waiting list. A significant number of those will have no interest in buying a season ticket, won't have the money, or in many cases won't even live in this country. It's a huge stretch of the truth to suggest we have 48,000 people waiting to buy a season ticket.

Totally agree. I am on the waiting list in position 2xxxx but won't ever buy a season ticket, because of two reasons.

- Living in Germany and can't attend to many games

- when I have my fixed seat I can't guarantee anymore that people who are joining me can sit next to me.

And I know lots of Bronze members who are saying same.

 

[L.A. Yiddo]

In my humble opinion this thread should be closed or renamed. Work hasn't started on the new stadium and any discussion around it really should be in the main stadium thread!

That's my 2c's worth anyway!! I keep seeing this thread's title bumped up thinking there is some news and there never is

 

[Lilbaz]

Anyone got pictures of how the sainsbury's is getting on?

 

[whitelightwhiteheat]

Chap on "The Spurs Show" Facebook page who reckons he works for KSS reckons we will be putting in new planning applications with public consultations, etc, etc... which could set us back years.

I reckon it's bullshit. Can anyone shed some light on the truth of it though?

 

[beats1]

Chap on "The Spurs Show" Facebook page who reckons he works for KSS reckons we will be putting in new planning applications with public consultations, etc, etc... which could set us back years.

I reckon it's bullshit. Can anyone shed some light on the truth of it though?

A few Years lol, there is a baseball stadium being built in the US that hasn't finished its design stage where they haven't given the drawings to the construction men for that stand but they were still building the two major stands. They plan to give the finalised drawings before they finish those 2 stands. We are limited to the northern section because of the super market but the stadium and Housing area should take years to make produce. Unless we are only paying one or two interns to do it at the firm

 

[Lilbaz]

Can't see it taking long. I doubt we're going for a total redesign, the outside might not even change it might just be the internals.
Who knows, we'll find out in due course.

 

[Spursidol]

Chap on "The Spurs Show" Facebook page who reckons he works for KSS reckons we will be putting in new planning applications with public consultations, etc, etc... which could set us back years.

I reckon it's bullshit. Can anyone shed some light on the truth of it though?

If Spurs totallly tore up the KSS design, maybe it could be years.

But I doubt it - the site size is relatiively constrained, limiting choise of the stadium footprint and it would only take a fw phonecalls to see if any height constraints on the stadium height can be 'modified' upwards etc

Also the NPD iis now a key part of the Tottenham redevelopment so there will be pressure on to build it - as well as a sympathetic reception if we want to modify the existing design, which is more likely IMO than tearing up a design that took saybe £20m to design (and thousands of hours input from Levy and the Spurs team which I doubt they want to totally tear up and repeat).

 

[Spursidol]

Chap on "The Spurs Show" Facebook page who reckons he works for KSS reckons we will be putting in new planning applications with public consultations, etc, etc... which could set us back years.

I reckon it's bullshit. Can anyone shed some light on the truth of it though?

Its also worth looking at it from a business perspective - there may be good reasons why we are waiting for other thkngs to happen which will delay things for a few months (eg appeal against the CPO by Archway Steel, delays waiting for government/Network Rail agreing changes to transport links to allow easier entrance/exit from the stadium ie affecting stadium capacity, agreement of which of Harringay's development plans will be agreed - the limited one, the middler one or the wholseale redevelopment of Tottenham - and the outline of the Stadium Way which again affects capacity), before financing is finalised, but otherwise Levy will want to build the stadium asap to get the extra revenues (as per article below), and (as previously suggested) there may be advantages to changing KSS for the world leader in Stadium design, Populous, to both getting the naming rights partner and getting the right building contractor.

Ground issue is giving Gunners double the power of Tottenham - Football - London Evening Standard
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Tottenham's urgent need to build a new stadium has been highlighted in a report today that shows their matchday revenue is less than half that of Arsenal’s. Spurs finished only a point behind the Gunners last season as they were pipped for a top-four spot but Deloitte’s Annual Review of Football Finance shows how vast the gulf is between the north London rivals off the pitch.

White Hart Lane, with a capacity of 36,230, brought in £1.6million a game and £41.1m overall during the 2011-12 season but Arsenal’s Emirates Stadium, boasting 60,361 seats, generated £3.3m a match and a total of £95.2m. As a result Spurs’ total revenue of £144m was much less than Arsenal’s £235m, hindering the club’s chances of becoming an established top-four team and overhauling Arsene Wenger’s side.

...Given that White Hart Lane was at 99.5 per capacity for games — the best of London’s Premier League sides — there is clearly a demand for tickets and Dan Jones of Deloitte’s Sports Business Group has spelt out the importance of fulfilling that demand.

Jones said: “It is a competitive disadvantage being at White Hart Lane compared to Emirates Stadium. A more modern stadium helps with what you do with corporate hospitality, what you can do on a non-matchday, for example concerts and events, and obviously gives you a bigger capacity for spectators. And therefore gives you more money. Tottenham are prioritising a move into a new stadium and being able to enjoy the same benefits that Arsenal enjoy at their stadium.”

Spurs’ wage bill of £94m was the sixth highest in the Premier League for 2011-12 — when they did finish in the top four — but it was still much less than the £143m spent by Arsenal, another sign of the difference between the financial musclepower of the two clubs. Crucially, though, both clubs were under the Premier League average for the percentage of revenue spent on wages, which Deloitte believe is a good indicator of a club’s financial strength. This figure is also a guide to whether a club will meet UEFA’s Financial Fair Play rules because the 2011-12 season is the first to come under the new regulations.

The average wages/revenue ratio in the top flight was 70 per cent and that is seen as a target figure. As well as Arsenal (61 per cent) and Tottenham (65 per cent), Chelsea, who broke even at an operating level for the first time in the Roman Abramovich era, were also under the top flight average by four per cent. However, Queens Park Rangers spent 91 per cent of their revenue on wages with £58m going on salaries in their first season back in the Premier League...

 

[Lilbaz]

Chap on "The Spurs Show" Facebook page who reckons he works for KSS reckons we will be putting in new planning applications with public consultations, etc, etc... which could set us back years.

I reckon it's bullshit. Can anyone shed some light on the truth of it though?

Was it david kearle?

 

[whitelightwhiteheat]

Was it david kearle?

His name was Chris Williams.

 

[Lilbaz]

Might be bollocks then. David kearle is the one from kss who is friends with a guy from skyscrapercity and has been e-mailing him for the last couple of years (also a spurs fan).

 

[L.A. Yiddo]

Rudolphs being torn down.

 

[Spursidol]

His name was Chris Williams.

Might be bollocks then. David kearle is the one from kss who is friends with a guy from skyscrapercity and has been e-mailing him for the last couple of years (also a spurs fan).

http://www.kssgroup.com/all_staff.php Chris Williams is shown as an IT Technician on the KSS site, David Kearle is the chairman of KSS.

Think I know whose opinion I would take on a major project being run by KSS !

 

[Graysonti]

Can't believe B&H boarded

 

[whitelightwhiteheat]

http://www.kssgroup.com/all_staff.php Chris Williams is shown as an IT Technician on the KSS site, David Kearle is the chairman of KSS.

Think I know whose opinion I would take on a major project being run by KSS !

Nice find. Cool.

 

[Spursidol]

http://www.theconstructionindex.co....ry-mobilises-on-38m-tottenham-development?utm

Not directly about the stadium, but an update on the Brook House site where Spurs are 'partnering' Newlon Housing Trust tlo redevelop the old Cannon Rubber site.