New Stadium Details And Discussions

[beats1]

If it is, I haven't seen it before in any other pictures. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong

You're wrong, its been there for a while, it doesnt mean we are starting btw, its just a little prep work

 

[branchie]

I was up in the sky earlier today. Sorry the picture is not very clear but had to zoom in from a distance. View attachment 16947

Crackin' picture. The supermarket looks lovely!

 

[davidmatzdorf]

You're wrong, its been there for a while, it doesnt mean we are starting btw, its just a little prep work

I'm not sure what the distinction is between 'starting' and 'a little prep work'. It depends on the current status of the £50m tender and contract for the substructure and main superstructure works. If that contract has been awarded, then one of the first tasks on site would be to set out the location for the foundation excavations - and marking the outline of the stadium footprint would be a key starting point for that, despite being 'just a little prep work' in terms of actual building work.

If that contract hasn't been awarded, then I'm not sure why anyone would be marking the outline of the stadium, unless it's for legal or land boundary reasons or for the erection of a hoarding, because the contractor would want to set out the location of the building under their own supervision.

 

[THFCSPURS19]

Am I the only one who gets scared when @davidmatzdorf 's posts appear?

 

[beats1]

I'm not sure what the distinction is between 'starting' and 'a little prep work'. It depends on the current status of the £50m tender and contract for the substructure and main superstructure works. If that contract has been awarded, then one of the first tasks on site would be to set out the location for the foundation excavations - and marking the outline of the stadium footprint would be a key starting point for that, despite being 'just a little prep work' in terms of actual building work.

If that contract hasn't been awarded, then I'm not sure why anyone would be marking the outline of the stadium, unless it's for legal or land boundary reasons or for the erection of a hoarding, because the contractor would want to set out the location of the building under their own supervision.

For me starting would be when we starting foundation work, on a normal project this would be starting however this has been there since the start of the season and the rumours that we maybe changing the design and etc.

I think it may be for land reason otherwise surely they would got further along by now if that had been up since July also some of the land around the stadium the club don't own and possibly safety reason as well there is a college area right behind the area that has been marked out

 

[Spurger King]

Am I the only one who gets scared when @davidmatzdorf 's posts appear?

Probably.

 

[THFCSPURS19]

Probably.

Do you not feel his aggression in his posts?

 

[Spurger King]

Do you not feel his aggression in his posts?

Not really. They tend to range between being very interesting to being sweepingly condescending, but I wouldn't call him an aggressive poster.

 

[tommyt]

Do you not feel his aggression in his posts?

It's usually only directed at imbeciles...you should be grand ;-)

 

[THFCSPURS19]

Not really. They tend to range between being very interesting to being sweepingly condescending, but I wouldn't call him an aggressive poster.

I think it's frustration because of the lack of knowledge (with regards to the stadium) of your regular SC poster.

 

[davidmatzdorf]

Do you not feel his aggression in his posts?

Was it the two uses of the phrase "I'm not sure" in my 100% polite, thoughtful post that you confused with aggression , or just the fact that I don't clog up my writing with useless, pretend-polite (i.e., passive-aggressive) waffle like 'sorry, but...' and 'just my opinion'?

Can you genuinely not tell the difference between rudeness and plain English?

 

[davidmatzdorf]

For me starting would be when we starting foundation work, on a normal project this would be starting however this has been there since the start of the season and the rumours that we maybe changing the design and etc.

I think it may be for land reason otherwise surely they would got further along by now if that had been up since July also some of the land around the stadium the club don't own and possibly safety reason as well there is a college area right behind the area that has been marked out

If that outline has been there for a few months without work starting, then it masy be that they either have not signed up the contract yet or the contractor is still mobilising prior to starting work.

It's been a few months since the announcements in the press about the substructure/superstructure contract, but the stories were based on the tender announcement, not on the award of a contract. Since then I've read nothing, so I don't know whether it has moved on or is still at the pre-contract stage.

I'd speculate (repeat, speculate) that if the contract hasn't been put in place by now and the CPO hearing is scheduled for January, they may have decided to wait a bit longer, rather than forcing a contractor into signing a contract with a break clause.

 

[davidmatzdorf]

I think it's frustration because of the lack of knowledge (with regards to the stadium) of your regular SC poster.

My long post on page 648 will answer that. It's not the lack of knowledge, it's the absolute certainty and cynicism allied to the lack of knowledge that sometimes annoys me.

 

[THFCSPURS19]

Oh hi David....

 

[Blake Griffin]

what's the likelihood that the designs have changed? i mean the original plans were released over six years ago now, they can't still be the same, can they?

 

[markiespurs]

I thought it was only the internal designs that were being changed?

Also, would a contract with a break clause be more expensive for the club?

 

[davidmatzdorf]

Also, would a contract with a break clause be more expensive for the club?

I would think that, if we were in a challenging market for building contractors and they were desperate for work, you might find some tenders that did not include a premium to cover the risk that the contract might be terminated after the contractor had mobilised, bought materials, hirted workers and set up their site presence.

But that isn't so right now: building costs are rising sharply because the construction industry in London and the Southeast is experiencing a boom in demand, partly to catch up for the lack of building after 2008/09 crash. Skilled operatives such as bricklayers are in short supply and, of course, that means that their wages are going up. There are also shortages of some building materials. A contractor wouldn't necessarily tender for an uncertain job when there are less risky options available, so the only way to attract tenders is to pay more.

Even if we ignore the market factors, the cost to the club would be higher if they had to stop and start again, for two reasons: 1) the break clause will be accompanied by compensation provisions for the lost work; 2) any interruption to carefully-planned build means duplication of work and tenders to complete a stalled contract (commonly when a contractor goes bust) are always more expensive than the original all-in price, for a variety of reasons.

 

[we_all_loved_freund]

I'm sure i have seen pictures of piling having been commenced, with the piling reflecting the shape of the new stadium. I'm sure there have also been pics of the flat shuttering that gets pushed into the ground in order to excavate (again with a general outline being similar to that of the new stadium.

 

[davidmatzdorf]

For me starting would be when we starting foundation work, on a normal project this would be starting however this has been there since the start of the season and the rumours that we maybe changing the design and etc.

I think it may be for land reason otherwise surely they would got further along by now if that had been up since July also some of the land around the stadium the club don't own and possibly safety reason as well there is a college area right behind the area that has been marked out

I found one of the original press articles about the structural contract, which was dated 2 Oct 2014 and is here:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...ndations-new-stadium-Northumberland-Park.html

That article is very clear that the contract has been signed, because that was the standard demanded by the planning consent, to comply with certain planning conditions (there are explanations of this on this thread back in October, but I haven't tried to find them).

It's not impossible that they are still not underway two and a half months after signing the contract, but it would be surprising. On the other hand, it is a Design and Build contract, which means that Anderson Construction had a hell of a lot of detailed engineering work to do before they could start to dig. It may be that they are still working out the plans and calculations.

 

[beats1]

I found one of the original press articles about the structural contract, which was dated 2 Oct 2014 and is here:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...ndations-new-stadium-Northumberland-Park.html

That article is very clear that the contract has been signed, because that was the standard demanded by the planning consent, to comply with certain planning conditions (there are explanations of this on this thread back in October, but I haven't tried to find them).

It's not impossible that they are still not underway two and a half months after signing the contract, but it would be surprising. On the other hand, it is a Design and Build contract, which means that Anderson Construction had a hell of a lot of detailed engineering work to do before they could start to dig. It may be that they are still working out the plans and calculations.

I just checked and there are pictures posted of an excavator on the site at the 1st of September

I saw a picture the other week and there was like an excavator and a small loader on site and thats it. When we start properly I imagine it would be a large scale operation but they are waiting for the final detail designs before committing

I don't think the archways issue is stopping us from starting on the other parts of the stadium.